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23 Nov 99 - 04:40 PM (#140044) Subject: Geaftaí Bhaile Bhuí From: Conán This well-known Donegal song has this reference in its title to a town which does not exist in the county. Does anyone know if such a place exists; or is it the Irish Brigadoon ? |
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23 Nov 99 - 05:50 PM (#140073) Subject: RE: Geaftaí Bhaile Bhuí From: Áine A Chonáin, This was recently discussed on the IRTRAD-L list. Here's the URL for the explanatory message there: http://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9911&L=irtrad-l&F=&S=&P=29552 I hope that works, I don't know how to do a 'blue clicky thingy.' -- Áine |
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23 Nov 99 - 06:35 PM (#140086) Subject: RE: Miscellaneous From: Philippa Áine, I had a quick look at your link and I think the Conán's da had a big part in the discussion! I'll e-mail you clickable link instructions, though they are given in several threads here and on the help forum! --Philippa |
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23 Nov 99 - 06:49 PM (#140094) Subject: RE: Geaftaí Bhaile Bhuí From: Áine Go raibh céad míle maith agat, a chara chóir! -- Áine |
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24 Nov 99 - 10:27 AM (#140290) Subject: RE: Geaftaí Bhaile Bhuí From: Áine After searching some more in the IRTRAD-L archives, I found a couple of messages in re this song. This is my first attempt at doing blue clicky thingies, so please be patient if they don't work. And thank you, Philippa, for sending me the instructions!! Any screwup on my part now cannot be blamed on you! |
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24 Nov 99 - 05:23 PM (#140410) Subject: RE: Geaftaí Bhaile Atha Buí From: Philippa In "Where Songs do Thunder" (Belfast: Appletree, 1991) Paddy Tunney calls the song Geaftaí Bhaile Atha Buí, and his translation of it The Banks of Ballaghbuoy. The theory that the song refers to Athboy, Co Meath is as good as any. |
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07 Dec 99 - 09:38 PM (#146300) Subject: Tune Add: Geaftaí Bhaile Bhuí From: alison Thanks to a Philippa for the dots.... the tune can be heard at Mudcat MIDIs slainte alison |
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21 Nov 02 - 06:51 PM (#832043) Subject: RE: Geaftaí Bhaile Bhuí From: GUEST,Philippa In "Traditional Songs of the North of Ireland", compiled by Liam Ó Conchubhair & Derek Bell (Dublin: Wolfhound Press, 1999). Geaftaí Bhaile Bhuí is translated as "The Gates of Athboy" |
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22 Nov 02 - 04:15 AM (#832258) Subject: RE: Geaftai Bhaile Bhui From: GUEST,Moleskin Joe I am sure I once read somewhere that the tune referred to Galway - the yellow town. |
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22 Nov 02 - 11:55 AM (#832636) Subject: RE: Geaftai Bhaile Bhui From: Paddy Plastique Isn't there a village anglicised as Ballyboy in Co. Monaghan - bringing us a bit closer to Donegal ? |
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22 Nov 02 - 12:01 PM (#832644) Subject: RE: Geaftai Bhaile Bhui From: Declan Paddy, I think that's Balllybay (Baile Béithe) where my grandfather came from (sorry from whence my grandfather came). Ath Bui is literally The Yellow Ford. Wasn't there a battle of the Yellow Ford? Some of the O'Neills were involved so it might have been in Tyrone ? |
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26 Jun 03 - 09:45 AM (#972673) Subject: RE: Geaftai Bhaile Bhui From: Willie-O I'm still wondering about this. Our fiddle orchestra plays the tune and I would like to find English (or Gaelic) lyrics. Galway? Athboy? Ballyboy? Banks of Ballaghbuoy? Search engines draw a few references to obscure (to me) songbooks, but I'm hoping to find lyrics online. If there's lyrics that are anywhere near as good as the tune, I want 'em! W-O |
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26 Jun 03 - 01:41 PM (#972826) Subject: RE: Geaftai Bhaile Bhui From: Emma B Willie O, There are four verses in Ceolta Gael (Sean Og agus Manus O Baoill, pub Mercier press) Unfortunately my Irish doesn't stretch to a full translation but if there are any volunteers out there I will post them. |
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26 Jun 03 - 05:47 PM (#972949) Subject: RE: Geaftai Bhaile Bhui From: Willie-O Thanks Emma. There sure are a lot of different stories and speculations relating to this tune. Sounds like there is already a translation entitled "Banks of Ballaghbuoy", by the late Paddy Tunney. If you post the Gaelic, maybe Aine can interpret it... W-O |
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30 Jun 03 - 09:08 AM (#974598) Subject: RE: Geaftai Bhaile Bhui From: Willie-O Refresh. Still hoping for English or Gaelic lyrics. Anyone? W-O |
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30 Jun 03 - 05:39 PM (#974657) Subject: RE: Geaftai Bhaile Bhui From: Felipa and Liam Ó Conchubhair translated the song as "The Gates of Athboy" (see 21 Nov 2002 message) There's a website with all the Ceolta Gael lyrics given (no translations), so you should be able to find words on-line I like the tune better than the lyrics, so can anyone suggest another song (preferably in Irish) to sing to this air |
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30 Jun 03 - 06:37 PM (#974711) Subject: RE: Geaftaí Bhaile Bhuí From: Felipa re the Ceolta Gael lyrics, see www.angelfire.com/ri/domhan/clarg02.html |
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02 Jul 03 - 09:30 PM (#975624) Subject: RE: Geaftai Bhaile Bhui From: Willie-O Hmm, thanks Felipa, progress is being made! This clicky should work: www.angelfire.com/ri/domhan/clarg02.html OK Houston, we have Gaelic. En anglais qu'est-ce que c'est? I hate to reveal the depth of my ignorance, but it's necessary. I have no idea in hell how to pronounce any of that. Any Gaelic-conversant types there care to phoneticize a verse or two, let alone translate? W-O |
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06 Dec 06 - 09:01 AM (#1901480) Subject: RE: Geaftai Bhaile Bhui From: GUEST,anne!!!!!! just thought i'd say ut could be about a small enough town called Athboy in county meath hope that solves the cutriosity ~~~~anne!!!! |
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06 Dec 06 - 09:02 AM (#1901481) Subject: RE: Geaftai Bhaile Bhui From: GUEST,anne!!!!!! its in ireland leinster to be precise ~~~~~anne!!!! |
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06 Dec 06 - 03:10 PM (#1901738) Subject: RE: Geaftai Bhaile Bhui From: Declan If its about Athboy then the title should be Geaftai Bhaile Ath Bhui. Baile Bhui on its own just means the yellow town. I doubt if Athboy was ever a big enough place to be a walled town, but that might not be too relevant to the discussion. |
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14 Feb 13 - 12:24 AM (#3479399) Subject: RE: Geaftai Bhaile Bhui From: GUEST,máirtín Buí or yellowness is associated with sex. Ath Buí is a generic term for a red light district. |
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14 Feb 13 - 03:27 AM (#3479416) Subject: RE: Geaftai Bhaile Bhui From: MartinRyan Seafóid! Fáilte go Mudcat, a Mháirtín! Máirtín Eile. Regards p.s. My namesake's last post is nonsense - lest there be any doubt! |
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16 Feb 13 - 12:00 PM (#3480386) Subject: RE: Geaftai Bhaile Bhui From: GUEST GRMA, a Mháirtín. Why is it nonsense? I know I didn't offer any evidence but in the context of the song it certainly make sense. I learned this interpretation from the Donegal sean-nós singer Gearóidín Neidí Frainc. Either way, I think we are all agreed that it is a beautiful song and well worth exploring both for its musical and linguistic lineage. |
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04 Apr 21 - 06:38 AM (#4100693) Subject: RE: Geaftai Bhaile Bhui From: GUEST,Guest Correction! Pardon me Martins! It would appear as though Máirtín Uimhir a 1 (Máirtín #1) finished that conversation relating to Máirtín Uimhir a Dó's comment (Máirtín #2 aka MartinRyan). Innit? Cé Gearóidín Neidí Frainc a Mháirtín #1? An sin Gearóidín Bhreathnach? Buíochas agus beir bua, Bríd |
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04 Apr 21 - 10:12 AM (#4100733) Subject: RE: Geaftai Bhaile Bhui From: GUEST,# Maybe this link will be of help. |
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04 Apr 21 - 04:00 PM (#4100770) Subject: RE: Geaftai Bhaile Bhui From: Felipa yes, Gearóidin Neidi Franc is Gearóidín B(h)reathnach. Neidi Franc are patronyms (father, grandfather), Nic Grianna her family surname, Breathnach her married name |
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04 Apr 21 - 04:43 PM (#4100775) Subject: RE: Geaftai Bhaile Bhui From: Felipa The lyrics from the Angelfire link above (I had to add a missing line to verses three and four, and have added another verse at the end) A man courts a woman, but she goes home still a maiden. GEAFTAÍ BHAILE BUÍ Ag geaftaí Bhaile Buí a rinne mise an gníomh a bhí amaideach baoth-déanta. Éalú le mnaoi seal tamaill ins an oíche ar neamhchead a raibh faoi na spéarthaí. Bhí mé lag gan bhrí, gan mhisneach in mo chroí is í agam ar mhín-shléibhe; Bhí an codladh dhá mo chloí agus b'éigin domsa luí agus d'imigh sí ina fíormhaighdean. 'Gabhail a luí don ghréin faoin am seo aréir, Ó,nach agamsa bhí an scéal buartha. Ba é a shamhailt domsa an té a shínfí ins an chré Ó, is a Mhuire nach mé an trua. Is é déarfadh mo chairde, an méid acu a bhí i láthair: "Altaigh leis na mná, a bhuachaill." Is an méid a ngoilfeadh orthu mo chás, goilfead siad a sá fá mo chroí a bheith in mo lár ina ghual dubh. Dá mbeinnse thall sa Spáinn i mo luí ar leaba an bháis agus cluinimse do dháil in Éirinn, D’éireochainn go sáimh leis an bhradán ar an tsnámh I nduibheagán i lár na hÉirne, Focal ar bith mná ní chreidfidh mé go bráth Mura bhfaighidh mise scríofa i mBéarla é. Gur chaith mé naoi lá ag cleasaíocht leis an bhás ag dúil go bhfaidhinn spás ar éigin. Is agamsa atá an mháistreás is measa i gcríocha Fáil cé gur soineanta clár a héadain. Chuirfeadh sí mo chás i bhfad agus i ngearr agus b'fhurasta ár gcás a réiteach. An madadh rua bheith sách, an chaora dhubh ar fáil Is ní chluinfi mé go brách ag eileamh, Agus m'fhocal duit, s Sheáin, go bhfuil ealaíon ins na mná agus codail féin go sámh ina n-éagmais. A Mhuire agus a Rí, nach mairg a bíos I dtoiseach an tsaoil le pléisiúr, ’S a ghiorracht agus a bíos an tinneas do do chloí, ’S do do tharraingt ar na críocha déanach’, Níl sé ar an domhan ní ar bith och ó, Is peacaí agus is mó dá ndéantar Ná an mhaighdean dheas óg a mhealladh le do phóig Agus a fágáil faoi bhrón ’na dhiaidh sin. see also https://www.learnceol.com/collection/geafta%C3%AD.html |