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13 Dec 14 - 04:20 PM (#3685426) Subject: A Danish Link for Ilkla Moor From: Penny S. Twice now I have been told of people being sung, when in Denmark, a Danish version of Ilkla Moor, with much the same iteration of eating, and the same tune, and being told that this was the source of the song, which had travelled here with the Danes, whose language has much influenced the Yorkshire dialect. I have shown my doubts, cited Clark and Cranbrook, and church choir picnics, pointed out that the tune resembles Methodist hymns of the supposed period of origin rather than early medieval alliterative verse - whatever tunes they carried, but without effect. Has anyone else heard this? The two sources were not actually independent. One was my sister, the other my brother-in-law, and though they told me this independently on separate occasions, they had travelled together on academic business. |
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13 Dec 14 - 04:53 PM (#3685431) Subject: RE: A Danish Link for Ilkla Moor From: GUEST,Grishka The original title was "On Ilkla Moor Baht 'orned 'elmet". It was sung at a ritual of human sacrifice to appease the Moor Goddess. |
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14 Dec 14 - 09:47 AM (#3685591) Subject: RE: A Danish Link for Ilkla Moor From: GUEST,# Version written for the marriage of the Prince of Wales and Princess Alexandra of Denmark in 1863 from http://www.dksnakes.co.uk/national_anthem.htm |
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14 Dec 14 - 04:34 PM (#3685699) Subject: RE: A Danish Link for Ilkla Moor From: Steve Gardham Just tell them it's a bit late in the year for April Fools gags. |
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15 Dec 14 - 08:51 AM (#3685866) Subject: RE: A Danish Link for Ilkla Moor From: Penny S. I was watching the Pythons last night, and remember a story they told of performing the lumberjack song in Germany, learned parrot fashion (how else?) in translation, to be told how good it was to hear it in the original language. Maybe there is a common joke style involved. Piece in the Guardian today about pub carols and the multiplicity of versions of While Shepherds Watched, which was how, though I didn't cite it above (and notice how the site has connected it anyway) the subject came up. I want my carol singing to include it to Cranbrook, if it happens. Pub tradition |
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16 Dec 14 - 05:07 AM (#3686141) Subject: RE: A Danish Link for Ilkla Moor From: Steve Gardham Actually your story is not quite as daft as it sounds. I have an equivalent story from the 19thc. Child 20 The Cruel Mother has no known continental analogies and is most likely an English original from the 17thc. Svend Grundtvig translated a version into Danish and published it in Engelske og Skotske Folkeviser in 1842. In 1870 2 versions were found in oral tradition in Jutland. It would be interesting to know if the ballad is still extant in Denmark. It takes very little time for a translated or edited piece to get back into oral tradition. |
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25 Aug 15 - 04:04 PM (#3733174) Subject: RE: A Danish Link for Ilkla Moor From: Penny S. Now that I could believe, easily, especially given the connections between nations around the North Sea through fishing and so on. In fact, I suggested something similar to my relations, but they were not convinced. They were committed to believing the song went back to the Danelaw. |