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14 Mar 15 - 10:42 AM (#3693917) Subject: Origins: House of the Rising Sun From: GUEST,Ivar Hi, Can someone please tell me the first available recording of 'House of the rising sun' ? Thanks so much. |
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14 Mar 15 - 10:47 AM (#3693918) Subject: RE: Origins: House of the Rising Sun From: GUEST,# http://www.americanbluesscene.com/2011/11/a-brief-history-of-house-of-the-rising-sun/ See if that helps. |
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14 Mar 15 - 01:58 PM (#3693963) Subject: RE: Origins: House of the Rising Sun From: GUEST,Fred McCormick The link which GUEST# refers to leads to an article which says Clarence Ashley recorded THOTRS or Rising Sun Blues as he called it "definitively in the bluegrass style" in 1933. I was about to blast off a furious reply, explaining that Ashley's performance style was not bluegrass, definitive or otherwise, also that he never recorded in 1933. However, a bit of digging around the Internet turned up an item on Youtube, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=147kS8O59Qs, which shows that he did indeed record it in 1933, along with Gwen Foster, as the Carolina Tar Heels. The question I'm now asking is why haven't I got a copy? There are various reissues of The Carolina Tar Heels, but none of the ones I've got feature Rising Sun Blues. Does anyone know whether this particular track is available anywhere on CD. NB., before anyone mentions it, I know about Ashley's recording of this song on Smthsonian Folkways, Old Time Music at Clarence Ashley's. That, however wasn't recorded until 1961. |
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14 Mar 15 - 03:10 PM (#3693993) Subject: RE: Origins: House of the Rising Sun From: GUEST,# There's some interesting info at this link: https://books.google.ca/books?isbn=1416539301 |
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14 Mar 15 - 03:49 PM (#3694004) Subject: RE: Origins: House of the Rising Sun From: GUEST,Tunesmith !933 Recording |
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15 Mar 15 - 03:27 PM (#3694252) Subject: RE: Origins: House of the Rising Sun From: Mr Red YouTube Texas Alexander 1928 make of that what you will. But I would not ascribe it as the same song. Nor a precursor. |
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16 Mar 15 - 08:44 AM (#3694410) Subject: RE: Origins: House of the Rising Sun From: GUEST,Mysha Hi, No, Texas Alexander recorded The House of the Rising Sun. I guess that's why the other one was called "House of the Rising Sun Blues", until the earlier one was forgotten. Bye, Mysha |
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16 Mar 15 - 10:31 AM (#3694434) Subject: RE: Origins: House of the Rising Sun From: GUEST,Hotenanny Mysha, I think you have it wrong. The title that Texas Alexander had issued on OK 8673 where he is accompanied by Lonnie Johnson is "The Risin'Sun". Recorded in 1928. |
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16 Mar 15 - 10:32 AM (#3694435) Subject: RE: Origins: House of the Rising Sun From: Roger the Skiffler This is the oldest version I've got, probably from an earlier thread: the "female" version. HOUSE OF THE RISING SUN (traditional version) The is a house in New Orleans they call the Rising Sun, It's been the ruin of many a girl; and me, poor girl, I'm one! Me, poor girl, I'm one My mother she is honest, she sews on new blue jeans, My sweetheart is a drunkard, Lord! drinks down in New Orleans. Drinks down in New Orleans. He took me from my mother's home, he dragged me in the slime, He sold me into the parlor-house where I must do my time, Lord! I must do my time. Go tell my baby sister; Don't do what I have done, And shun that house in New Orleans they call the Rising Sun. They call the Rising Sun. It's one foot on the platform, the other on the train, I'm going back to New Orleans – I'll wear the ball and chair, I'll wear the ball and chain. I'm going back to New Orleans, my time is almost done I'm going back to find my child beneath that Rising Sun. Beneath that Rising Sun. Most of the male versions follow the popular Animals tune & lyrics. I like Doc Watson's later faster version (different to the earlier slow one with Clarence Ashby). I once added up at least 12 different versions by different artists in my record collection, probably more now. RtS |
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16 Mar 15 - 10:42 AM (#3694437) Subject: RE: Origins: House of the Rising Sun From: GUEST,Mysha Hi, "The title that Texas Alexander had issued ... is "The Risin'Sun". Recorded in 1928." Yes, that makes more sense. Even better: That means we can indicate both songs with distinctive names when necessary. Bye, Mysha |
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16 Mar 15 - 11:27 AM (#3694445) Subject: RE: Origins: House of the Rising Sun From: pdq I don't believe the Texas Alexander song "The Risin' Sun" has much to do with "The House of the Rising Sun". Nice guitar work by Lonnie Johnson, though. |
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16 Mar 15 - 12:01 PM (#3694458) Subject: RE: Origins: House of the Rising Sun From: GUEST,# House of the Rising Sun (more history). http://www.risingsunbnb.com/the-song My apologies if that's been posted before. |
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16 Mar 15 - 12:10 PM (#3694469) Subject: RE: Origins: House of the Rising Sun From: FreddyHeadey last.fm is (sometimes) good for lists of various performers. These are based on tags people have used. Rising Sun House Of The Rising Sun The House Of The Rising Sun (slow but possibly my favourite : Miriam Makeba : House Of The Rising Sun ) |
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16 Mar 15 - 12:37 PM (#3694480) Subject: RE: Origins: House of the Rising Sun From: GUEST,Mike Yates Has anyone mentioned that Darby & Tarlton recorded a song called "Rising Sun Blues" in 1930? Don't know if this is related to the Tom Ashley song or not, as I don't have the JSP reissue set of their work. |
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16 Mar 15 - 12:51 PM (#3694485) Subject: RE: Origins: House of the Rising Sun From: Lighter It's a different song, and seems to differ from "The Risin' Sun" as well. |
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16 Mar 15 - 03:37 PM (#3694528) Subject: RE: Origins: House of the Rising Sun From: FreddyHeadey spotify & YT links here if anyone wants to hear Darby & Tarlton "Rising Sun Blues" Interesting but... ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ btw I think last.fm can be quite a handy & quick resource for linking to a tune. If you find a YT version that isn't on the lastfm page you can click "Add a video" which will help the next one along. Obviously ads are a bit of a distraction but they pay the bills. |
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16 Mar 15 - 03:58 PM (#3694532) Subject: RE: Origins: House of the Rising Sun From: The Sandman they are all good versions but the most interesting chord progression is the animals version |
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16 Mar 15 - 04:00 PM (#3694533) Subject: RE: Origins: House of the Rising Sun From: The Sandman they are all good versions but the most interesting chord progression is the animals version, the darby and tarlton versions sounds like barbecue bob singing and playing |
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16 Mar 15 - 04:30 PM (#3694545) Subject: RE: Origins: House of the Rising Sun From: Mr Red FWIW Alan Price has the copyright on the Animals version and Eric Burden has been on record that it is to his enduring annoyance that he has to pay Alan Price every time he sings it. And he has to sing it, it is his meal ticket. When the question of preventing all and sundry copying they put a copyright on the version and (it was claimed) you have to have "one" name attached. Alan got in first. The decision was not unanimous, even at the time. His organ riff is rather memorable though. Canny lad was Alan. |
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16 Mar 15 - 04:48 PM (#3694549) Subject: RE: Origins: House of the Rising Sun From: Greg F. Per Dave Van Ronk: "I had learned it sometime in the 1950s, from a recording by Hally Wood, the Texas singer and collector, who had got it from an Alan Lomax field recording by a Kentucky woman named Georgia Turner. I put a different spin on it by altering the chords and using a bass line that descended in half steps—a common enough progression in jazz, but unusual among folksingers. By the early 1960s, the song had become one of my signature pieces, and I could hardly get off the stage without doing it." {The Mayor of MacDougal Street, ISBN 978-0-306-81479-2, p. 115} van Ronk claimed in his autobiography that he had seen pictures of the old New Orleans Parish Women's Prison, which had an entrance decorated with a rising sun design. He considered this proof that the House of the Rising Sun had been a nickname for the prison. |
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16 Mar 15 - 05:18 PM (#3694559) Subject: RE: Origins: House of the Rising Sun From: Lighter I believe Lomax used to claim that he had "discovered" the song from Georgia Turner - at almost exactly the same time as Ashley's recording. Could she have learned it from that? |
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11 Jan 21 - 08:54 PM (#4087565) Subject: ADD: The House of the Rising Damp (McCloud) From: Joe Offer Simon Meeds sang this wonderful parody The House of the Rising Damp (Mary McCloud) There is a house in Milton Keynes They call the Rising Damp It's been the ruin of many a poor guest From food poisoning and stomach cramp Smoked Salmonella sandwiches Are the special of the day And the pies of pork get up and walk Around the plates where they lay The whisky tastes like turpentine And the beer is always flat And strange noises come from the rooms upstairs But we'll say no more of that There's a folk club on a Friday night With guitars out of tune Singing like a pack of wolves Baying at the moon I'm getting out of Milton Keynes By car or bus or train I'm going back to the To hear good music again |
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12 Jan 21 - 02:50 AM (#4087572) Subject: RE: Origins: House of the Rising Sun From: r.padgett Read somewhere that Eric Burden has heard Bob Davenport sing this in a folk song club and learnt it from him Ray |
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12 Jan 21 - 05:15 AM (#4087584) Subject: RE: Origins: House of the Rising Sun From: GUEST,George Henderson No Eric Burden heard Johnny Handle sing this when he and Louis Killen were going to the Newcastle Jazz Club before they started the Bridge folk club back in the early 60's. Johnny was interviewed on BBC about it. Johnny Handle of High Level Ranters fame. |
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12 Jan 21 - 07:26 PM (#4087674) Subject: RE: Origins: House of the Rising Sun From: GUEST,Joseph Scott "at almost exactly the same time" The Ashley and Foster recording was '33, the Georgia Turner was '37. "Could she have learned it from that?" Yeah. |