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02 Jul 15 - 02:38 PM (#3720574) Subject: BS: Eating habits cf Sexual habits From: GUEST, Poxicat I'm not taking TOO much effort to hide who I am, but, mods, please do not unmask me as the hosts of the party I am about to discuss might turn up here. So, the swmbo and I have been invited to a party. In the 1920s, she would not have been invited, because she is of Afrikan descent. In the 1940s, if she were male, she would not have been invited because a "friend of Dorothy" was only invited to the most avant-garde places. This is different - a number involved with the party are strict vegetarians, and I have been told that it's very simple, no dead animals on the premises. Well, I'm not trying to force others to eat meat or fish. And I've been to and attended a number of BBQs that provide a separate BBQ for vegetarians or observes of halal or kosher ritual. I've been to one BBQ where there was in attendance a chap so allergic to fish that the table cloth on which I prepared and served a fish dish (well away from the chap in question) had to be burned after use. Does "No dead animals on the premises" strike anyone as a bit intolerant? |
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02 Jul 15 - 02:45 PM (#3720577) Subject: RE: BS: Eating habits cf Sexual habits From: GUEST,# Yes. Simply inform them that you will have both vegan dishes and meat dishes, and you'll not be mixing the two at the same table. Put the ball back in their court as to whether or not they're coming. |
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02 Jul 15 - 04:12 PM (#3720587) Subject: RE: BS: Eating habits cf Sexual habits From: Jack Campin It seems like it's the party hosts who are the vegetarians. I don't think you have any right to disgust them. Just stay away if you can't go a whole evening without meat. |
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02 Jul 15 - 04:57 PM (#3720601) Subject: RE: BS: Eating habits cf Sexual habits From: GUEST,# I re-read the OP thanks to Jack's comment. Seems you have two choices. 1) Extend regrets, etc, etc. 2) Bring vegan food to cook and add cheese to it, unless they are. 'no animals or animal products' people in which case forget the cheese. |
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02 Jul 15 - 05:03 PM (#3720603) Subject: RE: BS: Eating habits cf Sexual habits From: Mrrzy I think it might be hard not to swat mosquitoes... |
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02 Jul 15 - 05:13 PM (#3720608) Subject: RE: BS: Eating habits cf Sexual habits From: Doug Chadwick I'm easily confused, so perhaps you could explain a couple of points: So, the swmbo and I ... What does "swmbo" srtand for? If the hosts are providing the food, they can limit it to vegetarian/vegan by what they choose to serve. Why do they have to specify "no dead animals"? Are they expecting guests to bring their own? Does the "no dead animals" restriction stretch to leather shoes and the like? Finally, I can follow the discussion of eating habits, but where does the second half of the thread title come in? DC |
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02 Jul 15 - 05:18 PM (#3720610) Subject: RE: BS: Eating habits cf Sexual habits From: GUEST You can't make it through one evening without eating meat? A lot of vegetarian fare is pretty tasty. Another option is to eat before hand. |
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02 Jul 15 - 05:27 PM (#3720612) Subject: RE: BS: Eating habits cf Sexual habits From: GUEST If they specified no dead animals, and you want to be a real prick, bring oysters. |
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02 Jul 15 - 05:29 PM (#3720613) Subject: RE: BS: Eating habits cf Sexual habits From: Joe Offer I take it, then, that this is a potluck party where guests bring food? I've been married to an off-and-on vegan for 13 years, so I'm kinda used to this stuff. I've been to potluck parties where everybody has to bring a full list of ingredients of their contributions. Don't think I've ever been to a party where animal products are completely forbidden, but I have been overwhelmed by the food fussiness at some gatherings I've attended. I stay away from the ones that make me really feel uncomfortable. -Joe- |
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02 Jul 15 - 05:34 PM (#3720615) Subject: RE: BS: Eating habits cf Sexual habits From: GUEST,# Doug, I think swmbo means 'she who must be obeyed'. I may be corrected on that. |
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02 Jul 15 - 06:08 PM (#3720623) Subject: RE: BS: Eating habits cf Sexual habits From: Doug Chadwick Thanks # DC |
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02 Jul 15 - 06:25 PM (#3720624) Subject: RE: BS: Eating habits cf Sexual habits From: Richard Bridge Imagine the prohibition was not as to food, but as to sex. Would the OP be expected not to kiss is G/F, because it might disgust? Would a gay attendee be expected not to kiss same sex partner because it might disgust? |
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02 Jul 15 - 06:38 PM (#3720627) Subject: RE: BS: Eating habits cf Sexual habits From: meself Who or what is a 'friend of Dorothy' (a little dog? a tin man? a scarecrow? a cowardly lion?) and why? I think swmbo is 'she who must be omnivorous', isn't it? |
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02 Jul 15 - 06:47 PM (#3720628) Subject: RE: BS: Eating habits cf Sexual habits From: gnu 'she who must be omnivorous' Hahahahahaaaaaaaaaa! |
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02 Jul 15 - 06:58 PM (#3720631) Subject: RE: BS: Eating habits cf Sexual habits From: Bee-dubya-ell IMHO, if you're going to host a potluck, you accept whatever people are willing to contribute. If a dish is not part of your diet, don't eat it. If you want to control the menu, provide the food yourself. |
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02 Jul 15 - 07:00 PM (#3720632) Subject: RE: BS: Eating habits cf Sexual habits From: GUEST,McMusket Funnily enough, I have no friends by the name of Dorothy, but the label seems to be attached. One of the other Muskets once pointed out, when a lady started getting rather attached to me at a conference, that I "bowl from the pavilion end." Regarding the op. Respecting cultures is a two way thing. We have utensils, plates, pans, a BBQ etc that is only used for halal meat as we have many Muslim friends. That said, I am aware of course that those who take their faith seriously have an inbuilt problem with Kris and I being a gay couple, but respect being what it is, they don't preach religious bigotry as our guests and we don't, despite the fantasy of one particular nasty sod on Mudcat and his lies, try to fuck them. Being offended can be offensive if you don't keep your trap shut... |
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02 Jul 15 - 07:15 PM (#3720638) Subject: RE: BS: Eating habits cf Sexual habits From: Jack Campin I have been to MANY gatherings where it was stated up front that all food was to be vegetarian. The KlezNorth weekend klezmer event does it because they can expect a fair number of the attendees to be Jewish of various degrees of observant-ness, as well as some actual vegetarians, so it's a simple compromise. (Doesn't help me a lot as my religion involves continual sacrifices to a cardiac stent and a wheat allergy). You would find the same at events where you might expect a number of Muslims, Buddhists, Hindus or Rastas. This is not some new fad, it's been routine at least since the 1970s. Most people have had most of a lifetime to get used to the idea. |
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02 Jul 15 - 08:26 PM (#3720649) Subject: RE: BS: Eating habits cf Sexual habits From: Steve Shaw I eat anything and everything except for apple sauce, which is thoroughly disgusting. Because there is that one thing I can't stomach, I understand vegetarians who say they can't stand the texture of meat, etc,. but vegetarians of any other sort are as deluded as God-botherers. Vegetarianism on the grounds of being nasty to animals is entirely irrational. The whole of nature is predicated on animals eating animals at certain points in food chains. But as we're creatures of conscience it's entirely appropriate that we pay attention to animal welfare. I want all my meat to be free-range, preferably organic if I can afford it. But, at the end of the day, for two, add 300g orecchiette pasta to a large pan of boiling salted water. It will need 11-13 minutes. Meanwhile, heat a big glug or two of olive oil in a pan and add two cloves of finely-chopped garlic (not crushed), 10 halved cherry tomatoes, a chopped up chilli and a big handful of chopped fresh parsley. Salt and pepper to taste. Simmer. Two minutes before the pasta is al dente, throw two large handfuls of broccoli florets (tenderstem for choice, but hey) into the pasta pan. When the pasta is al dente, drain it but retain a cupful of the pasta water. Mix the tomato sauce in with the pasta/broccoli mix, see whether you think it needs to be slackened with a bit of the pasta water (it does) and serve in big bowls. There you go. As vegan as can be. By far the most satisfying vegan dish I've ever made, and I make this one a lot. I have to keep stuffing my luggage with orecchiette every time I come back from Italy. Tonight we had tuna with capers, parsley, garlic and creme fraiche with gigli pasta. Tomorrow it's home-made mackerel pate with ciabatta, Westcountry Brie, Montagnolo affine and Bath Blue cheeses and some lovely Sicilian olives. |
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02 Jul 15 - 08:33 PM (#3720653) Subject: RE: BS: Eating habits cf Sexual habits From: meself I insist that my food be organic and my sex orgasmic. Or is it the other way around ... ? Anyway - I insist! |
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02 Jul 15 - 09:16 PM (#3720659) Subject: RE: BS: Eating habits cf Sexual habits From: GUEST,Scabbie dug Let's get this straight. You and your partner who would appear to be a black lesbian have been invited to a meal by vegetarian friends. Go there and enjoy the meal, or if you do not feel that you would be comfortable there, politely decline the invitation. |
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02 Jul 15 - 09:30 PM (#3720660) Subject: RE: BS: Eating habits cf Sexual habits From: Janie Intolerant would be "If you are a meat eater, you are not welcomed in my house, even if you don't bring meat to eat." Intolerant would be "If you smoke cigarettes, you can never be my friend, even if you never smoke cigarettes around me, always use mouthwash and keep a set of clothes on hand such that I never get even a whiff of tobacco smoke when I am around you." There is a difference between setting clear boundaries about what is OK or not OK on one's own turf and being intolerant. |
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02 Jul 15 - 09:35 PM (#3720661) Subject: RE: BS: Eating habits cf Sexual habits From: GUEST,# meself asked, "Who or what is a 'friend of Dorothy' . . ." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Friend_of_Dorothy |
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02 Jul 15 - 09:43 PM (#3720663) Subject: RE: BS: Eating habits cf Sexual habits From: meself Ah! Many thanks. I think I'll have the OP figured out within the next few hours ..... |
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02 Jul 15 - 09:45 PM (#3720664) Subject: RE: BS: Eating habits cf Sexual habits From: GUEST,# When you ace that, please let the rest of us know :-) |
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03 Jul 15 - 12:06 AM (#3720677) Subject: RE: BS: Eating habits cf Sexual habits From: Stilly River Sage Maybe when the host who is giving the party discovers this thread he or she will explain it. |
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03 Jul 15 - 07:22 AM (#3720730) Subject: RE: BS: Eating habits cf Sexual habits From: Richard Bridge I totally understand it. We no longer say "you cannot kiss your girlfriend in my house, because she's black and that offends me". We no longer say "You cannot kiss your same sex partner in my house, because that offends me". But it is apparently (judging by those above who seem almost to get it) in Mudland normal to say "You can't eat any dead animal in my house, because that offends me". |
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03 Jul 15 - 07:27 AM (#3720733) Subject: RE: BS: Eating habits cf Sexual habits From: Jack Campin It's been normal in the entire civilized world for decades. Live with it. It's no different from saying a gathering is going to be alcohol-free, have you never been to an event like that? |
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03 Jul 15 - 08:23 AM (#3720740) Subject: RE: BS: Eating habits cf Sexual habits From: Steve Shaw People know better than to invite me to alcohol-free events. :-) |
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03 Jul 15 - 08:27 AM (#3720741) Subject: RE: BS: Eating habits cf Sexual habits From: GUEST,Pete from seven stars laink Right on, janie !. |
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03 Jul 15 - 12:31 PM (#3720786) Subject: RE: BS: Eating habits cf Sexual habits From: meself Okay, I think I've got it - if I go to this party, I can kiss a vegetable, but not a dead animal .... |
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03 Jul 15 - 01:24 PM (#3720799) Subject: RE: BS: Eating habits cf Sexual habits From: Will Fly What have vegetables done to deserve that - being kissed by a complete stranger? Disgusting! You should be locked up. |
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03 Jul 15 - 01:34 PM (#3720802) Subject: RE: BS: Eating habits cf Sexual habits From: meself I am! |
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03 Jul 15 - 01:38 PM (#3720804) Subject: RE: BS: Eating habits cf Sexual habits From: Will Fly Excellent - can I join you? I just fancy a nice fat, juicy cucumber... |
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03 Jul 15 - 02:22 PM (#3720815) Subject: RE: BS: Eating habits cf Sexual habits From: GUEST,# No comment. |
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03 Jul 15 - 02:32 PM (#3720816) Subject: RE: BS: Eating habits cf Sexual habits From: GUEST It's no different from saying a gathering is going to be alcohol-free It is completely different. Alcohol-free parties allow dry ex-alcoholics to remain unrecognized, which I think is a flawless moral motive. Inviting for "a vegetarian gathering" or "bring your own vegetarian food" is less well justified, but can be accepted. The term "dead animals" amounts to a targeted insult, comparable to derogatory names for ethnic backgrounds or sexual orientations. |
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03 Jul 15 - 02:33 PM (#3720817) Subject: RE: BS: Eating habits cf Sexual habits From: GUEST,Grishka That was I - forgot to sign, sorry. |
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03 Jul 15 - 11:20 PM (#3720866) Subject: RE: BS: Eating habits cf Sexual habits From: GUEST,Stim It's not a targeted insult if you have a sense of humor, Grishka. As to the rest, I am not sure what the sexual orientation and ethnicity of party guests in the 1920s and 1940s has to do with not bringing a dead animal to a party in 2015. |
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04 Jul 15 - 02:34 AM (#3720880) Subject: RE: BS: Eating habits cf Sexual habits From: Dave Hanson Vegetarians seem inclined to force their own eating habits on others, if I invite any of several vegetarian friends to eat at my home, I wouldn't dream of offering them meat, but if I go to eat at their houses I am forced to eat by their rules ie. strictly vegetarian, no consideration there at all. Dave H |
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04 Jul 15 - 03:01 AM (#3720887) Subject: RE: BS: Eating habits cf Sexual habits From: DMcG Not sure I follow that, Dave. Take another example. You are a smoker, they aren't. When they visit you, out of consideration you choose not to smoke while they are around. Surely you are not implying they should smoke if you visit them? Or even, necessarily, allow you to smoke in their house when cigarette smells could linger there for days? |
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04 Jul 15 - 03:58 AM (#3720895) Subject: RE: BS: Eating habits cf Sexual habits From: Will Fly The analogy between smoking and vegetarianism isn't quite right, I'm afraid. What we eat affects us, healthwise, individually. Neither of us will physically affect the other if I eat beef and you eat a nut roast - but both of us will feel the effects of smoking. |
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04 Jul 15 - 04:08 AM (#3720898) Subject: RE: BS: Eating habits cf Sexual habits From: DMcG It was an example. What I was trying to get at is that it is not necessarily an 'equal exchange' of consideration. I have no real knowledge of why these particular vegetarians are so, but one possibility is that they see a moral objection to eating meat. If so, for the meat eater to have a vegetarian meal when they visit has no moral cost to him, but that would not be the case when he visits them and expected meat. so it is not an equal exchange of consideration. |
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04 Jul 15 - 04:26 AM (#3720901) Subject: RE: BS: Eating habits cf Sexual habits From: GUEST,Grishka Stim, if all those invited share the joke, it's fine - but then they would not ask Mudcat. Good pals sometimes call each other, or themselves, by names that would normally be considered derogatory. |
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04 Jul 15 - 05:12 AM (#3720907) Subject: RE: BS: Eating habits cf Sexual habits From: Doug Chadwick Would it be acceptable for an atheist with atheist friends to insist that no religious symbols be worn? Alternatively, what if a believer, with many friends who believe, demands that everyone should say grace before they eat? DC |
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04 Jul 15 - 05:19 AM (#3720909) Subject: RE: BS: Eating habits cf Sexual habits From: DMcG Alternatively, what if a believer, with many friends who believe, demands that everyone should say grace before they eat? Well, one answer to that in the UK is that similar things happen more often than you might think. Parliament, for example, opens every day with prayers (Christian.) While attendance is voluntary, there are less seats than MPs, so if you want to sit down on busy days ... |
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04 Jul 15 - 10:18 AM (#3720945) Subject: RE: BS: Eating habits cf Sexual habits From: Backwoodsman If I'm invited to a "do " with strings attached, and I don't like the strings, I don't go. It's really that simple. |
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04 Jul 15 - 01:26 PM (#3720962) Subject: RE: BS: Eating habits cf Sexual habits From: GUEST,Kampervan But with the veggie v meateater argument, if a M/E goes to a veggie house they eat veg. When they eat at home they still eat veg (usually), but with added meat. So going to a veggie home doesn't mean that you've got to eat something that you don't normally eat. But at the end of the day, if you're not happy with what you're being invited to, then don't go. |
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04 Jul 15 - 02:03 PM (#3720969) Subject: RE: BS: Eating habits cf Sexual habits From: Bill D A couple of points. There are several reasons for being a vegetarian/vegan: 1)Perceived health issues (actual or not)... fairly reasonable. 2)Environmental reasons: supply & demand of meat.... also reasonable in some places. 3)Financial issues: growing a garden is much cheaper than buying meat. If you are a hunter, it's different. 4)Cultural: The world being what it is, some people eat things that others find 'odd'... I would have great difficulty with roasted squirrel brains, even though I don't object morally. 5)BBES...."Big Brown Eyes Syndrome": the usual basis for 'moral' reasons. Some of this is religious (Jainism and others), some just generalized objection to killing other creatures, which varies up & down the scale according to whether creatures are warm-blooded...etc. Now, to these I ask, when did the religious/moral concerns arise? After all, we are descended from omnivores for at least hundreds of thousands of years, it not millions. I doubt our 500th great-grandparents thought much about it- they were hungry, they ate what they could find. Some eventually did little ceremonies to honor & thank the 'spirits' of their meals... but they ate 'em anyway. I suspect that as humans' ability to rationalize & imagine stuff like 'souls' developed, so did 'concern' for animals. I do know that at several folk gatherings I attend each year, the problems of the hosting kitchen staff are more than I would want to take on. To the natural allergies & other medical concerns, we have the whole range of religious & BBES and just plain finicky eaters. I know several people who have such a level of concern that they just bring their own meals. If I were invited to a gathering that sounded like I would not find anything to eat, and was not allowed to even bring my own, I would simply find a convenient excuse to not attend. |
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04 Jul 15 - 03:04 PM (#3720982) Subject: RE: BS: Eating habits cf Sexual habits From: Jack Campin If the OP feels the need to resort to moral casuistry over the situation, they are so far out of sympathy with the hosts' value system that maybe they should just have nothing to do with them. |
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04 Jul 15 - 06:16 PM (#3721019) Subject: RE: BS: Eating habits cf Sexual habits From: Steve Shaw Would it be acceptable for an atheist with atheist friends to insist that no religious symbols be worn? Turn that on its head. Would any Christian you know, in deference to the atheists they knew were present, refrain from wearing their crucifix necklaces or fish symbols on their cars? Do any Christians you know insist on the removal of wayside pulpits or external crosses from churches in deference to the many atheists or people of non-Christian religions who would otherwise have to see them? No, thought not. Alternatively, what if a believer, with many friends who believe, demands that everyone should say grace before they eat? This is not hypothetical. It has happened to me on a number of occasions. It is an ignorant and insufferable thing to do. Unfortunately, unlike atheists, who have no beliefs but lots of doubts, many Christians and members of several other religions have this delusion that their beliefs are incontrovertible truths and that the rest of us should put up with them. |
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05 Jul 15 - 04:02 AM (#3721059) Subject: RE: BS: Eating habits cf Sexual habits From: GUEST,CS As the vegetarians are probably opposed to meat on the basis that they see meat eating as unnecessarily 'cruel' rather than simply aesthetically 'disgusting' their objection is I would imagine an ethical one. I think asking you not to bring meat into their home, is more akin to your guests asking you not to hit your girlfriend in their home (ethical objection) rather than asking you not to kiss her (aesthetic). |
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05 Jul 15 - 04:28 AM (#3721060) Subject: RE: BS: Eating habits cf Sexual habits From: GUEST A parallel could be drawn to schools who think that they know better than parents and confiscate items of food that they consider "unhealthy" from pupils' lunch boxes. DC |
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05 Jul 15 - 04:30 AM (#3721061) Subject: RE: BS: Eating habits cf Sexual habits From: Dave the Gnome I think the opening premise of "Eating habits cf Sexual habits" is a bit false. If I understand the question correctly we are being asked if tolerance should be applied to the meat eaters in the same way as it is now applied to black and gay people. Well, the two cannot be compared. Being black or gay is not a choice while eating meat or not is. OK, it may seem a little intolerant of meat eaters but by insisting that you should be able to eat meat wherever you want, is that not being intolerant of a strict vegetarian lifestyle? Maybe the question should be more like eating habits cf religious habits then we would be comparing like with like? |
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05 Jul 15 - 04:39 AM (#3721062) Subject: RE: BS: Eating habits cf Sexual habits From: Doug Chadwick That was me @ 04:28 AM DC |
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05 Jul 15 - 10:21 AM (#3721138) Subject: RE: BS: Eating habits cf Sexual habits From: Keith A of Hertford Alternatively, what if a believer, with many friends who believe, demands that everyone should say grace before they eat? This is not hypothetical. It has happened to me on a number of occasions. Has it really Steve? I find that extraordinary. I have been at many, many meals where grace has been said but I have never, ever known more than one person to say it. All that has ever been expected of the others present is the normal consideration of not interrupting anyone talking, but never to say it themselves too. Even a mumbled "Amen" is entirely voluntary and optional. |
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05 Jul 15 - 02:36 PM (#3721185) Subject: RE: BS: Eating habits cf Sexual habits From: GUEST,Howard Jones This is a question of ettiquette rather than ethics. Should a guest accede to the host's norms, or should the host make an effort to accommodate the guests? Most hosts will do the latter, and will do their best to provide food that suits their guests, whether vegetarian, kosher, gluten-free etc. Most guests will do their best to eat what is put in front of them. I think the underlying complaint is that vegetarians usually seem expect their host to accommodate their dietary preferences, but won't do the same when they are the host themselves. Sauce for the goose, if that isn't an unfortunate metaphor. Where this argument fails is that few people, if any, are total carnivores, and most will also eat vegetables. I'm one who regards most vegetables as mere garnish, and my heart usually sinks when I'm told to expect vegetarian fare. It usually turns out to be utterly delicious. While I have some sympathy with the idea that vegetarian hosts should cater for their carnivore guests, it is actually no hardship to have one meal without meat. Acknowledging the host's sensibilities should be part of being a good guest. My advice is to go to the party and enjoy the food you're offered. If you really can't cope without meat get a burger on the way home. |
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06 Jul 15 - 07:30 AM (#3721299) Subject: RE: BS: Eating habits cf Sexual habits From: Richard Bridge If you had nudist friends, would you expect them to wear clothes in your house, and would you expect them to let you wear clothes if you visited them? |
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06 Jul 15 - 07:57 AM (#3721303) Subject: RE: BS: Eating habits cf Sexual habits From: Will Fly Most serious nudists practice their nudity in their leisure hours in specialised places that cater for such things. Not generally at work, out shopping, or visiting friends. Again, not exactly a good analogy. The sensible answer has already been stated earlier on: simply find out what the expectations of the event are on the part of the host, and then decide whether to go or not. |
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06 Jul 15 - 08:56 AM (#3721312) Subject: RE: BS: Eating habits cf Sexual habits From: GUEST For the second time only I think this anonymous voice from the back row agrees completely with Keith A of Hertford. I can't remember hearing a grace in which the sentiment expressed was not reasonable in broadly humanist (or similar) terms. Were it not for a leading 'Oh Lord' or similar I would regularly be happy to join in with a hearty 'Amen'. I think that one conservative, but very experienced, priest uses the form "We give thanks for" rather than "We thank you for" as a courtesy to in-laws and other guests. |
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06 Jul 15 - 09:41 AM (#3721321) Subject: RE: BS: Eating habits cf Sexual habits From: Steve Shaw I heartily recommend silent prayer as a useful workaround. I'd even make it voluntary. |
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06 Jul 15 - 02:05 PM (#3721430) Subject: RE: BS: Eating habits cf Sexual habits From: Bill D "If you had nudist friends, would you expect them to wear clothes in your house, and would you expect them to let you wear clothes if you visited them?" I knew a couple many years ago who had a sign on their door.."Warning..nudity practiced here. If that offends you, don't knock" It kept most surveys away. They didn't require you to be nude for a short visit, but expected it if you were going to be there for awhile- like at a party. Silent prayer? Sure... even better, a "moment of silence" in which some could offer silent prayer, and others could simply take a moment to relax & reflect. I have been to several gathering where this is done as everyone held hands. I am not sure why 'some' Christian groups feel that 'God' won't pay attention unless they pray fervently and aloud, invoking Jesus at everyone...Jew, atheist, Muslim. I was a member of a society whose topic was woodworking, but which had a majority of conservative Christians. Several Jewish members and atheists learned to time their bathroom break just before the meeting convened. |
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06 Jul 15 - 03:57 PM (#3721464) Subject: RE: BS: Eating habits cf Sexual habits From: Steve Shaw "Warning..nudity practiced here. If that offends you, don't knock" Cor, you'd have thought that a nudist gathering would welcome extra knockers... |
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07 Jul 15 - 02:46 AM (#3721575) Subject: RE: BS: Eating habits cf Sexual habits From: Ebbie sheesh, Steve S. Two to a customer only, surely. |
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07 Jul 15 - 08:56 AM (#3721627) Subject: RE: BS: Eating habits cf Sexual habits From: Richard Bridge In England "Practise" is a verb. |
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07 Jul 15 - 01:10 PM (#3721684) Subject: RE: BS: Eating habits cf Sexual habits From: Steve Shaw The quote was by a yank, Richard. In Yankistan it's "practice" in every context. Obviously, I don't like it any more than you do. |
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08 Jul 15 - 12:58 PM (#3722061) Subject: RE: BS: Eating habits cf Sexual habits From: GUEST,rh1 What is this work coming too? |
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08 Jul 15 - 04:29 PM (#3722112) Subject: RE: BS: Eating habits cf Sexual habits From: Don Firth Where does a gay, black, carnivorous nudist fit in all of this....? Don Firth P. S. For that matter, a transvestite nudist has a real problem! |
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08 Jul 15 - 04:40 PM (#3722115) Subject: RE: BS: Eating habits cf Sexual habits From: Don Firth Hmm...lotsa problems here.... Can a vegan perform cunnilingus without compromising his principles? Don Firth |
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08 Jul 15 - 04:51 PM (#3722119) Subject: RE: BS: Eating habits cf Sexual habits From: Don Firth (I must be butter, 'cause I'm on a roll!) Ebbie's comment reminds me: Contrary to Scripture, God made Woman first. And He made her with three breasts. The woman thought for a moment, then said, "God, to all intents and purposes, I really think just two breast will be sufficient." God put forth his thought and removed (painlessly) the third breast, leaving her with the standard two. God stood there with the surplus breast in His hand and thought: "Now, what can I do with a useless boob?" Then God made Man. Don Firth |
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09 Jul 15 - 05:52 PM (#3722408) Subject: RE: BS: Eating habits cf Sexual habits From: GUEST,rh1 It is what it is! |