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27 Sep 16 - 10:33 PM (#3811667) Subject: Next to last line in Gallant Murray From: JenBurdoo Hi, Looking at recording the traditional song Gallant Murray, AKA Atholl Highlanders. I don't technically need to know because it's pronounced the same in every rendition I've heard, but is the line supposed to be: "Scour the DARK and face the danger" OR "Scour the DIRK and face the danger"? Either would work - one is to search the night for signs of the enemy, the other is to clean your skean dhu before battle. Whenever I find lyrics, it is spelled "DURK." |
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28 Sep 16 - 12:22 AM (#3811669) Subject: RE: Next to last line in Gallant Murray From: BobKnight Having listened to Andy M. Stewart sing it, the verse gives a list of weapons, musket, rapier, etc. In that context I would think the word is DIRK. No Scot would ever pronounce DARK, as DURK. One of the hazards of taking words from the internet - they are invariably wrong, especially where the lyrics are in Scots. Internet lyrics are a great thing, but I always refer back to the original singer, and edit them as the mistakes show themselves. |
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29 Sep 16 - 05:26 AM (#3811857) Subject: RE: Next to last line in Gallant Murray From: GUEST,kenny The alternative title for the song is "The Atholl Gathering", not the "Atholl Highlanders". It's certainly been recorded by the "Battlefield Band" and I think Davey Steele when he was a member of "Ceolbeg". I'll hunt down the recordings and have a listen. According to "Battlefield Band" sleeve notes, the song comes from James Hogg's "Jacobite Relics", so that would be a more reliable source than anything on the internet. The notes also say that "Hogg suggests that it was taken from an anonymous Jacobite poem written in 1745". |
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29 Sep 16 - 05:53 AM (#3811858) Subject: RE: Next to last line in Gallant Murray From: GUEST,kenny This is mildly embarrassing. I actually have a copy of "Hogg's Jacobite Relics", which I'd nearly forgotten about. Hogg does indeed have "scour the DURK" as the lyric. [ Page 97, Second edition ] Alan Reid sings "durk" on the "Battlefield Band" recording. I agree with Bob Knight's theory above, but although "dirk" is almost certainly meant, and is perfectly logical, the word as printed in "Hogg's" is spelt "durk"and the singers I've heard sing the song seem to have kept to that pronunciation. |
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29 Sep 16 - 05:54 AM (#3811859) Subject: RE: Next to last line in Gallant Murray From: GUEST,kenny "Youtube" : https://youtu.be/DsyiKF_XkHc |
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29 Sep 16 - 06:48 AM (#3811862) Subject: RE: Next to last line in Gallant Murray From: BobKnight It could be an obsolete word, no longer in use of course. I remember doing an essay on "Felix Randall The Farrier," by Gerard Manley Hopkins, where Felix Randall is described as "hardy handsome." After much struggling with the text, I discovered that "hardy" referred to a tool used by farriers in bygone days. However, I prefer to think that Hogg, was giving a clue to pronunciation in Scots. The vowel sounds in Scots are different from English. |
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29 Sep 16 - 03:17 PM (#3811909) Subject: RE: Next to last line in Gallant Murray From: GUEST,Guest TF Aye Bob, Chambers Scots Dictionary has it as Durk: a short dagger (or even a short, thickset person). |