02 Mar 17 - 04:18 PM (#3842523) Subject: Tune Req: boys of killibegs tune traditional? From: GUEST,mg I believe the words are by Tommy Makem. Would the tune be also his or is it traditional? A song I wrote jumped onto that tune.. |
02 Mar 17 - 06:19 PM (#3842539) Subject: RE: Tune Req: boys of killibegs tune traditional? From: meself It's been years since I've heard that one, but if I recall correctly, the tune is based on the Scottish march 'The Balkan Hills'. Now, that tune is generally thought to be trad., but whether it is or not, I don't know. |
02 Mar 17 - 06:48 PM (#3842540) Subject: RE: Tune Req: boys of killibegs tune traditional? From: GUEST,Jerry Crossley As far as I am aware, the tune is traditional, in that it is at least based on a tune known as The Meeting of the Waters, which is close in parts to the more familiar tune My Love is But a Lassie. It was quite common for Irish songs to be written to fiddle tunes, such as jigs and reels, and not unusual for Scottish tunes to borrowed by the Irish for such use as well. |
02 Mar 17 - 07:27 PM (#3842544) Subject: RE: Tune Req: boys of killibegs tune traditional? From: meself Just had a listen - The Meeting of the Waters is essentially the same tune as The Balkan Hills. |
02 Mar 17 - 08:35 PM (#3842553) Subject: RE: Tune Req: boys of killibegs tune traditional? From: Rapparee The song. |
03 Mar 17 - 04:19 AM (#3842578) Subject: RE: Tune Req: boys of killibegs tune traditional? From: Jim Carroll Pretty sure THIS is where Makem took his tune from These are the notes on the origin of the song - enjoy! Jim Carroll Mick McGilligan's Daughter, Mary Anne Lowry refers to the song Mick McGilligan's Daughter, Mary Anne in his novel Ultramarine; "Paddy - give us Paddy McGulligan's daughter, Mary Ann." (Pg. 64). Mick McGilligan's Daughter, Mary Anne is an anonymous Irish bawdy song, which only exists in print in Louis Tierney's cleaned-up version: I'm a gallant Irishman I've a daughter Mary Anne She's the sweetest, neatest, colleen in the Isle Though she can't now purchase satin She's a wonder at bog latin In a fluent, fascinatin' sort of style When she's sellin' fruit or fish Sure, it is her fondest wish For to capture with her charm some handsome man Ah! no matter where she goes Sure, everybody knows That she's Mick McGilligan's daughter Mary Anne Chorus: She's a darlin', she's a daisy And she's set the city crazy Though in build, and talk, and manner, like a man When me precious love draws near You can hear the people cheer For Mick McGilligan's daughter Mary Anne Alternative chorus: She's me darlin', she's me daisy She damn near drives me crazy She's got hairs upon her chest like any man And you know she's on the rocks When she's wearin' cotton socks Mick McGilligan's daughter, Mary Anne There are eight more verses, which elaborate on the masculine qualities of Mary Anne. This has resonance in Ultramarine, for the underlying theme is that Dana is a 'nancy', i.e. effeminate and not a 'real man'. James Joyce also alludes to this song in Ulysses; this may be a coincidence, but Lowry includes further allusions to Ulysses in Ultramarine, so it seems that he certainly was aware of Joyce's reference to the song. Another possible influence is Conrad Aiken's Blue Voyage, Chapter 3, when the gambler sings about a girl who 'can't keep her petticoat down'. This song is not to be confused with another song The Great Big Wheel with another Mary Ann, which Lowry refers to in an untitled poem (Collected Poetry 265.1) and in his film script for Fitzgerald's Tender Is The Night (Pg. 223). Lowry stated that he heard The Great Big Wheel from a neighbour; "The song about Mary Ann and the Ferris Wheel was sung for us, out of the blue, on New year's Eve, by one of our neighbours, a Guernsey fisherman of 75, who had come to visit us while we were revising the scene. He did not know what we were writing about. The song was probably written about 1890, is English, forgotten, if ever remembered, and even if ever published, which is doubtful, can be no longer copyright." (Notes on a Screenplay for F. Scott Fitzgerald's Tender Is The Night Pg. 72). This song is a different one to the one written by E. W. Rogers in June 1895, and sung by Arthur Lennard (1867-1954). |
03 Mar 17 - 08:26 AM (#3842627) Subject: RE: Tune Req: boys of killibegs tune traditional? From: Jim Carroll ANOTHER USE OF THE TUNE HERE Jim Carroll |