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20 Aug 17 - 08:59 PM (#3872856) Subject: Feadaíl — Irish mouth whistling From: AmyLove I've been exploring this delightful musical area today, and I'm wondering if anyone here has any information about it. I've found a number of videos including these: SEAN WHITE--All-Ireland whistling champion. 1 (There are three videos in this "series.") All ireland Whistling Champion !! Mick Ryan All Ireland Champion Whistler Sinéad O'Donoghue - Feadaíl - Young Trad Concert CIT Cork School of Music , Cork And wikipedia lists the All-Ireland Fleadh champions in Whistling (Feadaíl): 1966, Tom McHale, County Roscommon 1975, Paddy Berry, County Wexford 1976, Seamus O'Donnell, County Sligo 1977, Paddy Berry, County Wexford 1979, Michael Creavers, County Galway 1983, Walter O'Hara, County Wexford 1984, Liam Gaul, County Wexford 1985, Paddy O'Donnell, County Galway 1986, M.J. O'Reilly, County Wexford 1987, Padraig Ó Raithbheartaigh, County Galway 1996, Michael Ryan, County Tipperary 1990, John O'Connell, County Antrim 1998, Síle Áine de Barra, County Cork 1999, Sean White, County Waterford 2000, Frances Donahue, County Galway 2001, Séan Seosamh Mac Domhnaill, County Mayo 2002, Séan Seosamh Mac Domhnaill, County Mayo 2003, Aníde Uí Bhennéis, County Limerick 2004, Aníde Uí Bhennéis, County Limerick 2005, Aníde Uí Bhennéis, County Limerick 2006, Aníde Uí Bhennéis, County Limerick 2007, Máiréad Ní Chorradáin, County Limerick 2008, Tony Connolly, County Galway 2009, Claire McNicholl, County Londonderry 2010, Ailéin Ó Dubhuir, County Wexford 2011, Ailéin Ó Dubhuir, County Wexford 2012, Ailéin Ó Dubhuir, County Wexford 2013, Ailéin Ó Dubhuir, County Wexford 2014, Séamus Ó hAirtnéide, County Limerick One thing I'm particularly interested in knowing is if there are any recordings of feadaíl — preferably a whole album of it, but if anyone knows of an album which features even just one track of feadaíl, I'd like to know about it. Thanks. |
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21 Aug 17 - 01:12 AM (#3872873) Subject: RE: Feadaíl — Irish mouth whistling From: michaelr Amazing. Who needs instruments? |
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21 Aug 17 - 03:00 AM (#3872880) Subject: RE: Feadaíl — Irish mouth whistling From: Jim Carroll "Amazing. Who needs instruments?" That was the point Michael We were told by an old singer who could also jig (lilt) that in his are there was a shortage of musicians and instruments (and the clergy were pretty opposed to dancing) so, in order to hold the dances in peoples' homes they enlisted the services of those capable of making 'mouth music' At 80, (and with no teeth) he proudly gave us a display of his own skills and described the dances for us He also gave us 60-odd songs and over a dozen long 'Jack Tales' They were a gifted generation Jim Carroll |
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21 Aug 17 - 06:20 AM (#3872916) Subject: RE: Feadaíl — Irish mouth whistling From: GUEST,Peter Laban I remember a clip of Siobhan Ní Chonorain whistling that appeared on 'Come West along the Road' at some point. It may be on one of the DVDs. You do come across this sort of stuff occasionally: when Dympna O'Sullivan launches her first recording she had a Mayo man (John O'Donnell?, can't really remember the name) on the launch night who was pretty brilliant. I have some (non commercial) recordings of different people whistling. It's usually good fun but I can take only so much of it. |
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21 Aug 17 - 06:22 AM (#3872917) Subject: RE: Feadaíl — Irish mouth whistling From: GUEST,Peter Laban Forgot to mention there was some whistling on the tellie earlier this week, a little whistler who just won the All Ireland. Look at TG4's Fleadh-tv, it's probably still up on the website. |
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21 Aug 17 - 06:09 PM (#3873010) Subject: RE: Feadaíl — Irish mouth whistling From: ChanteyLass After looking at those videos, I need to catch my breath! |
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21 Aug 17 - 06:24 PM (#3873012) Subject: RE: Feadaíl — Irish mouth whistling From: FreddyHeadey terrific. thanks. "It's usually good fun but I can take only so much of it." true. |
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22 Aug 17 - 04:40 AM (#3873074) Subject: RE: Feadaíl — Irish mouth whistling From: GUEST,Martin Ryan The first name on the list of champions is Tom McHale - better known as a virtuoso tin whistle player. When work brought me from Dublin to Athlone in the early '70's, he was working in the same college. He ran an eponymous Folk Club in a local hostelry and brought many fine singers and musicians through that small town. In a way, along with singer Tony Holleran, he was responsible for converting me from a jazz head to a folk fiend (I've largely reverted since, but that's another story). He died tragically in a road accident a few years later, unfortunately. The club continued under Tony's guidance, for many years after. Reagrrds |
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22 Aug 17 - 08:59 AM (#3873111) Subject: RE: Feadaíl — Irish mouth whistling From: GUEST,Peter Laban To extend Martin's diversion of this thread above for one second: some years ago someone put a fine collection of Tom McHale's whistleplaying on soundcloud, recorded in 1972 : here |
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22 Aug 17 - 10:02 AM (#3873121) Subject: RE: Feadaíl — Irish mouth whistling From: GUEST,jim bainbridge To take this across the sheugh to Scotland....where is a parallel tradition of mouth music or diddling- old Davie Glen of Angus was a great exponent of that... There is also a mouth whistling tradition, which I wasn't aware of until 1971. I had won the TMSA melodeon competition for the previous three years, and was banned from further competition on the instrument. Part of my commitment to the TMSA festival was to act as an adjudicator- not my style at all really! Anyway it wasn't to be the melodeon competition, but the whistling competition ( not 'ze mouth music played on ze mouth' as Peter Sellers had it but whistling on ze mouth). Anyway, there were several good competitors, with their march, strathspey & reel or whatever & all going well & politely applauded. Next, a crowd of noisy local men entered with one clutching an entry form. We all settled down for his offering & he proceeded to do the most amazing bird impressions! The crowd erupted in delight so then came a real dilemma for the adjudicator! the locals were no bother but I couldn't give them an award- there was a cup for the winner and a certificate for the runners up- no money, so I gave him second place, against all the rules- nobody ever complained & it was 46 years ago! Oh and I did achieve second place in the TMSA Kirriemuir diddling competition a few years ago, so spent a twelvemonth as the second best diddler in Scotland- a doubtful honour? |
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29 Aug 17 - 10:11 PM (#3874243) Subject: RE: Feadaíl — Irish mouth whistling From: AmyLove Both Jims and Martin, thank you for the stories. Peter, I wish I had those recordings. I'm sure I'd have a high tolerance for listening to them over and over. Thanks for the information. I think I took too long to check out Fleadh-tv — I didn't find that clip. I looked up Tom McHale (McHaile?) before posting this thread. Great link to the music from 1972 — I'm listening to it right now. I found some of his music online, too: Pure Traditional Irish Tin Whistle |
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05 Apr 21 - 12:22 PM (#4100863) Subject: RE: Feadaíl — Irish mouth whistling From: GUEST,Cathal O'L Hi All, I'm looking into mouth whistling and lilting at the moment. Would any of you know if any mouth whistling goes on at the fleadh? I think there's often confusion between the mouth whistling and the tin whistling - I'd love to contact anyone with interesting leads on mouth whistling and lilting tradtions. Cathal |
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05 Apr 21 - 12:24 PM (#4100864) Subject: RE: Feadaíl — Irish mouth whistling From: GUEST,Cathal O'L Reply here or to shpopsinfo@gmail.com Cathal |
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05 Apr 21 - 12:52 PM (#4100869) Subject: RE: Feadaíl — Irish mouth whistling From: Mrrzy I am sorry but I have to ask, what other whistling is there besides mouth? I mean, even whistling through your fingers uses your mouth... Can the Irish whistle at both ends, or something? And now back to your regularly-scheduled thread already in progress. |
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05 Apr 21 - 01:23 PM (#4100872) Subject: RE: Feadaíl — Irish mouth whistling From: Manitas_at_home Whistling with a whistle. |
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05 Apr 21 - 03:23 PM (#4100886) Subject: RE: Feadaíl — Irish mouth whistling From: Mrrzy Um, isn't the whistle in your mouth? But I get it. Whistling, quoi. |
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06 Apr 21 - 05:36 AM (#4100954) Subject: RE: Feadaíl — Irish mouth whistling From: GUEST,jim bainbridge mouth whistling with or without a whistle, Irish or otherwise, are two specific skills. there is a third non-instrumental skill known only to a few, but well well demonstrated by Leonard Rossiter in the 1979 short film called 'Le Petomane'. |
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06 Apr 21 - 06:25 AM (#4100960) Subject: RE: Feadaíl — Irish mouth whistling From: Manitas_at_home I would normally distinguish the two by saying whistling or whistle playing, whistler or whistle player. Maybe the Gaelic doesn't differentiate but it's more likely to be a sloppy transaction. |
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06 Apr 21 - 06:41 AM (#4100961) Subject: RE: Feadaíl — Irish mouth whistling From: Dave the Gnome Seeing the term "mouth whistling" made me wonder how else we could whistle. But then I thought better of pondering it too much :-D |
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06 Apr 21 - 08:11 AM (#4100968) Subject: RE: Feadaíl — Irish mouth whistling From: Manitas_at_home *translation* |
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06 Apr 21 - 09:06 AM (#4100973) Subject: RE: Feadaíl — Irish mouth whistling From: Geoff Wallis Some people lead very sheltered lives. Dual nostrils More nasal treats |
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06 Apr 21 - 10:05 AM (#4100980) Subject: RE: Feadaíl — Irish mouth whistling From: GUEST,Peter Laban 'Would any of you know if any mouth whistling goes on at the fleadh?' There is. As far as I know it has its own competition (Feadaíl). Not sure how many whistlers take part though, at least a few. |
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13 Apr 21 - 09:50 AM (#4102083) Subject: RE: Feadaíl — Irish mouth whistling From: GUEST,Cathal O'L Thank you for the replies. Yes, it's a strange term alright but whistling often gets confused with playing the tin whistle. Thanks, Peter. I've tracked down a bit of it still going on at the fleadh which is what I was after so I'll follow that up and see where it takes me. |
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10 Jun 23 - 02:26 PM (#4174296) Subject: RE: Feadaíl — Irish mouth whistling From: GUEST Ronnie Ronalde was a great mouth whistler |
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21 Jun 23 - 11:31 AM (#4175169) Subject: RE: Feadaíl — Irish mouth whistling From: GUEST,Peter Laban FWIW, I just saw/heard a man, Liam Jones, who is a handy whistler, aparently holds the current All Ireland title. |