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24 Feb 19 - 05:16 PM (#3978817) Subject: Tech: HELP with Mudcat forbidden HTML tag mess From: GeoffLawes I have spent hours preparing a long post for a Mudcat Perma thread which I “manage” but when I pressed the post button it did not post to the thread but instead displayed the message . Your post contains a forbidden HTML tag I included many blue click links to non-Mudcat sites and added a lot of simple HTML coding which I had read about on Mudcat. I have since spent a long time looking through the text that I hoped to post but cannot pick out anything that has not been accepted in previous posts of mine. Does Mudcat have a simple device which will show you what the forbidden HTML tag must be? Could the forbidden tag be in one of the blue links that I made on the blickifier? Here are some of the HTML tags that I have tried to use • line break • bold bold text • italics italic text I don’t want to waste the work that I and others have put in. Help please! |
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24 Feb 19 - 05:18 PM (#3978819) Subject: RE: Tech: HELP with Mudcat forbidden HTML tag mess From: GeoffLawes The title should read forbidden HTML tag message |
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24 Feb 19 - 06:17 PM (#3978830) Subject: RE: Tech: HELP with Mudcat forbidden HTML tag mess From: DaveRo You could post and preview it in sections, to see which bit fails. Be careful to tick preview every time. You could paste the text into a local file, called, say, test.html. Add <html> at the top, </html> at the bottom, then open it in a browser. That might show which of your tags don't work. You could post the text somewhere where we can look at it. I suggest to http://pastebin.com - you can do it as a guest. You get a URL that you can post here. |
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24 Feb 19 - 06:33 PM (#3978831) Subject: RE: Tech: HELP with Mudcat forbidden HTML tag mess From: GUEST,Jon I'm not sure that the middle paragraph of DaveRo's post will be of much help. Mudcat does block some valid html tags with good reason. I think script, form and img are out for starters. |
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24 Feb 19 - 07:08 PM (#3978837) Subject: RE: Tech: HELP with Mudcat forbidden HTML tag mess From: Mick Pearce (MCP) Table related tags are also forbidden Mick |
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24 Feb 19 - 10:10 PM (#3978858) Subject: RE: Tech: HELP with Mudcat forbidden HTML tag message From: Howard Kaplan One way to find a single bug causing a mysterious error message is know as "Wolf trap debugging". The Wikipedia article about Debugging describes it as follows: Edward Gauss described this simple but very useful and now famous algorithm in a 1982 article for communications of the ACM as follows: "There's one wolf in Alaska; how do you find it? First build a fence down the middle of the state, wait for the wolf to howl, determine which side of the fence it is on. Repeat process on that side only, until you get to the point where you can see the wolf."So, in the case of a Mudcat post, you'd start by making a safe copy of the proposed post somewhere else, such as a plain text editor. You'd then eliminate about half the code, being careful not to lose the enclosing HTML tags. If the error message recurs, the offending code is in that half; otherwise, it's in the half you removed. If you're careful enough in removing and replacing halves, you can find the offending code fairly quickly. You can then fix the code in the safe copy, copy it to the composition area, and try previewing it again. |
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24 Feb 19 - 11:28 PM (#3978862) Subject: RE: Tech: HELP with Mudcat forbidden HTML tag message From: Jeri It's not the line breaks, bold, or italics. Mudcat doesn't let people post the HTML to create tables. |
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25 Feb 19 - 02:40 AM (#3978865) Subject: RE: Tech: HELP with Mudcat forbidden HTML tag message From: DaveRo GUEST,Jon wrote: I'm not sure that the middle paragraph of DaveRo's post will be of much help.Probably not, but easy to do. And if he's mangled a link, or it's just a typo in the tag - for example <il> instead of <li> - he might spot it. (Though the lines breaks might be missing, so it wouldn't look right.) I know that some tags are forbidden, but he said he's using tags that have been accepted before. Using my Mudcat Browser Tools addon he wouldn't need to type tags for bold, italic, etc - and links are just one click. |
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25 Feb 19 - 03:16 AM (#3978866) Subject: RE: Tech: HELP with Mudcat forbidden HTML tag message From: Jack Campin One common reason for that is if you include a "<" character mixed into normal text - Mudcat will interpret that as an attempt to do something weird. |
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25 Feb 19 - 04:32 AM (#3978875) Subject: RE: Tech: HELP with Mudcat forbidden HTML tag message From: Mr Red First build a fence down the middle of the state, wait for the wolf to howl, Known as binary chop And DaveRo's <HTML> wheeze does at least show the formatted HTML. Which surprised me without a head or a body. But it would not format the Mudcat line breaks without adding <BR>'s. The most likely problem is non-permissable Mudcat TAGs What I have found is the some TAGs will carry on formatting - even into text at the bottom of the Mudcat page if they are not closed properly with eg </eg>. Particularly <A HREF=etc> when everything you click on goes to the link and you can't correct it without the browser back button and re-doing. SO - use a text editor as a safe datum when playing. |
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25 Feb 19 - 07:20 AM (#3978911) Subject: RE: Tech: HELP with Mudcat forbidden HTML tag message From: DaveRo Mr Red wrote: What I have found is the some TAGs will carry on formatting - even into text at the bottom of the Mudcat page if they are not closed properly......which is perhaps why tables are forbidden, the whole layout being done with tables. Jack's suggestion - a rogue < - is quite likely. |
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25 Feb 19 - 01:59 PM (#3978996) Subject: RE: Tech: HELP with Mudcat forbidden HTML tag message From: Joe Offer The primary block is against HTML tags that begin with "t" - which blocks most tags that deal with tables. I believe there are more extensive blocks against HTML from guests - to prevent auto-Spam. Joe |
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26 Feb 19 - 07:48 PM (#3979261) Subject: RE: Tech: HELP with Mudcat forbidden HTML tag message From: GeoffLawes Thank you all for helping me to overcome my HTML problem. I followed Howard Kaplan's procedure which allowed me to find the single line where the problem lay amongst my many pages . The code in this rogue line looked like code which the preview function was accepting elsewhere - perhaps there was an odd extra space in some place . I experimented by switching bits of code about and trying the resulting lines in the preview function and eventually found something that was accepted. I then inserted that and posted all the pages successfully Thank you all so much XX |
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27 Feb 19 - 03:04 AM (#3979285) Subject: RE: Tech: HELP with Mudcat forbidden HTML tag message From: DaveRo The Ballad of Johnny Longstaff |
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27 Feb 19 - 03:31 AM (#3979291) Subject: RE: Tech: HELP with Mudcat forbidden HTML tag message From: GUEST,Grishka Thanks, Dave, for pointing us to the posting in question. Geoff, would you please tell us which tag seemed to be the offender, so that we can learn for the future? Mudcat is 20th century technology, like most of us ;-) , scarcely immune against abusive postings. It is not difficult to disrupt the display of the whole page. In your entry, Geoff, you use non-breaking fences (#####) that extend the width beyond most monitors, resulting in a horizontal scrollbar (in my browser). A wall may be much cheaper; let's see whether Mexico's gonna pay for it: This was meant to be a wall, as produced by <hr style="color:red">. Good luck! |
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27 Feb 19 - 03:51 AM (#3979300) Subject: RE: Tech: HELP with Mudcat forbidden HTML tag message From: DaveRo It's been edited a bit since I first saw it yesterday. Those lines of hashes weren't there initially. The unclosed bold tag on the title (and maybe others) causes the whole thing to be bold (at the time if writing). I think if I were posting such a long piece I would view it in a file as I suggested. I'd include my own line breaks - <br> - and suppress the ones mudcat generates automatically. Then I could be pretty sure what it would look like. (It wouldn't help with forbidden tags, of course.) |
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27 Feb 19 - 04:54 AM (#3979314) Subject: RE: Tech: HELP with Mudcat forbidden HTML tag message From: GUEST,Grishka Dave, if it has been edited after posting, this means that the elves are at work. May they take their time until satisfied. Remains the original question about the offending tag. |
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27 Feb 19 - 05:48 AM (#3979328) Subject: RE: Tech: HELP with Mudcat forbidden HTML tag message From: Monique Table related tags are forbidden but since you "manage" the thread, you must first post your post without the table tags but with the linebreak tag at the end of each line (uncheck "Automatic Linebreaks"), submit, then edit the post to add the table tags. That's how I did it on the "Notre Dame des Doms Provençal Carols" and the "Voice of the People" threads. I don't know about other forbidden tags. |
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27 Feb 19 - 05:57 AM (#3979332) Subject: RE: Tech: HELP with Mudcat forbidden HTML tag message From: Gallus Moll WTF is this thread aboot?! Daen' ma box in.....aaaarrrgggghhhh!!! |
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27 Feb 19 - 08:32 AM (#3979346) Subject: RE: Tech: HELP with Mudcat forbidden HTML tag message From: Jeri Dave, lose the hashes. You can do the "HR" with a "size=3" or whatever to make fatter lines. The hashes make all the text be that long, if there's enough of it, and people have to scroll sideways. Not a good thing. Grishka, in that thread, Dave IS the elf. |
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27 Feb 19 - 09:14 AM (#3979354) Subject: RE: Tech: HELP with Mudcat forbidden HTML tag message From: DaveRo Dave? Not me! |
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27 Feb 19 - 09:51 AM (#3979371) Subject: RE: Tech: HELP with Mudcat forbidden HTML tag message From: Jeri Not Dave dammit! Geoff! (I plead a lack of coffee.) |
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27 Feb 19 - 10:27 AM (#3979378) Subject: RE: Tech: HELP with Mudcat forbidden HTML tag message From: DaveRo Although table tags cannot be posted, you can achieve a similar effect using html5 'grid' layout. Here's a simple 2-column example: Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet, consectetur adipiscing elit, sed do eiusmod tempor incididunt ut labore et dolore magna aliqua. Ut enim ad minim veniam, quis . Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet, consectetur adipiscing elit, sed do eiusmod tempor incididunt ut labore et dolore magna aliqua. Ut enim ad minim veniam, quis nostrud exercitation ullamco laboris nisi ut aliquip ex ea commodo consequat. Duis aute irure dolor in reprehenderit in voluptate velit esse cillum dolore eu fugiat nulla pariatur. Excepteur sint occaecat cupidatat non proident, sunt in culpa qui officia deserunt mollit anim id est laborum. Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet, consectetur adipiscing elit, sed do eiusmod tempor incididunt ut labore et dolore magna aliqua. Ut enim ad minim veniam, quis nostrud exercitation ullamco laboris nisi ut aliquip ex ea commodo consequat. Duis aute irure dolor in reprehenderit in voluptate velit esse cillum dolore eu fugiat nulla pariatur. Excepteur sint occaecat cupidatat non proident, sunt in culpa qui officia deserunt mollit anim id est laborum. Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet, consectetur adipiscing elit, sed do eiusmod tempor incididunt ut labore et dolore magna aliqua. Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet, consectetur adipiscing elit, sed do eiusmod tempor incididunt ut labore et dolore magna aliqua. Ut enim ad minim veniam Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet, consectetur adipiscing elit, sed do eiusmod tempor incididunt ut labore et dolore magna aliqua. Ut enim ad minim veniam, quis nostrud exercitation ullamco laboris nisi ut aliquip ex ea commodo consequat. Duis aute irure dolor in reprehenderit in voluptate velit esse cillum dolore eu fugiat nulla pariatur. There are examples on the web. The main complication is that you have to include the style within the tag rather than in a stylesheet, which is a forbidden tag. Most browsers have supported grid layout since 2017, so there may be a users for whom it won't display. Anybody here? |
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27 Feb 19 - 10:54 AM (#3979383) Subject: RE: Tech: HELP with Mudcat forbidden HTML tag message From: Monique Table tags can be posted by using the "edit" facility and since Geoff manages the thread, he has it. |
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27 Feb 19 - 11:05 AM (#3979388) Subject: RE: Tech: HELP with Mudcat forbidden HTML tag message From: DaveRo Monique: yes, and I understood that you do that to make your 2-column format in the Notre-Dame des Doms Provencal carols thread. (Very nicely curated thread, BTW.) I thought it might be of interest to those who don't have editing rights but want to post a table-like structure. It might also be of interest to those who do manage a thread but don't want to faff about inserting tags afterwards. |
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27 Feb 19 - 11:31 AM (#3979390) Subject: RE: Tech: HELP with Mudcat forbidden HTML tag message From: Monique You're right Dave, now I got it. |
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27 Feb 19 - 11:39 AM (#3979393) Subject: RE: Tech: HELP with Mudcat forbidden HTML tag message From: GUEST,Grishka Jeri and Monique, thanks for the information. Elf apprentice, I'd call it. "Tear down this fence!" |
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27 Feb 19 - 03:59 PM (#3979449) Subject: RE: Tech: HELP with Mudcat forbidden HTML tag message From: Jack Campin Yes you can use tags beginning with"t". Try <tt> like I'm doing here. |
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27 Feb 19 - 05:02 PM (#3979459) Subject: RE: Tech: HELP with Mudcat forbidden HTML tag message From: GUEST,Grishka Mudcat is full of mysteries, some of which nobody alive seems to remember, let alone to reveal to us mortals. Whoever grasps a hint is welcome to share it with the congregation. By the way, even humble guests can produce simple tables in Monique's style without using HTML5 grids:
Nouvè Notre-Dame des Doms 2-8 QUITEN AQUESTO PLASSO (Provençal lyrics) Quiten aquesto plasso Intren dins l'establon Los ousselons s'amasson Per dire sey cansons Notre-Dame des Doms Carol 2-8 LET'S LEAVE THIS PLACE (English translation) Let's leave this place, Let's enter in the small stable, The birdies gather To sing their songs. |
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28 Feb 19 - 01:57 AM (#3979495) Subject: RE: Tech: HELP with Mudcat forbidden HTML tag message From: DaveRo And for a two-column layout like that, it's probably easiest. You might need to specify the widths, though. It works in older browsers too. I like grids though, as a (relatively) simple way of laying out pages - like people used to do with tables. The evolution of page layout over 20 years - tables, floating DIVs, and GRIDS - all in one thread! |
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28 Feb 19 - 02:08 AM (#3979496) Subject: RE: Tech: HELP with Mudcat forbidden HTML tag message From: Joe Offer Kinda fun, isn't it? |
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28 Feb 19 - 07:11 AM (#3979549) Subject: RE: Tech: HELP with Mudcat forbidden HTML tag message From: GUEST,Jon I’d not heard of this new html style… --- I had 2 or 3 attempts at trying to allow just a limited subset of html through elsewhere. I think the version I eventually settled on ran. 1. Change angle brackets to my own markers (IIRC, needed as there could be existing > and < in the post). 2. Pattern match the post against an array of expressions for “allowed html” and change matches back to the brackets. 3. Change any remaining markers to < and > In theory and if I've got that right, that would leave the allowed stuff as working html while making other use of the brackets (including in abc) “display only”. |
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28 Feb 19 - 06:10 PM (#3979647) Subject: RE: Tech: HELP with Mudcat forbidden HTML tag message From: GUEST,.gargoyle Dear GRISHKA, I have joy... that you are still around. Sincerely, Gargoyle . Interesting observations |
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01 Mar 19 - 07:39 AM (#3979719) Subject: RE: Tech: HELP with Mudcat forbidden HTML tag message From: GUEST,Grishka Thanks, Gargoyle; same vice versa. If the subject is not exactly "Kinda fun" (but neither the opposite), we can still have some fun. |
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01 Mar 19 - 10:57 AM (#3979740) Subject: RE: Tech: HELP with Mudcat forbidden HTML tag message From: GeoffLawes Here is a link to the Mudcat HTML Guide PermaThread mudcat.org/thread.cfm?threadid=21858 this will probably interest some of you |
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01 Mar 19 - 11:06 AM (#3979742) Subject: RE: Tech: HELP with Mudcat forbidden HTML tag message From: Monique There's something wrong with your link Geoff. Here it is again Mudcat HTML Guide PermaThread.
Joe |