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10 Oct 20 - 12:25 PM (#4075012) Subject: Nyth y gwcw [Cuckoo's nest] From: Mr Happy A traditional Welsh dance tune, Nyth y gwcw [Cuckoo's nest] has been used recently in a workshop session. There's a tune which I already play called Jacky Tar. Jacky Tar This sounds remarkably similar to Nyth y gwcw. Nyth y gwcw Anyone familiar with the tunes who might shed light on any connections of these items? |
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10 Oct 20 - 12:33 PM (#4075013) Subject: RE: Nyth y gwcw [Cuckoo's nest] From: Mr Happy I omitted to mention that Nyth y gwcw is in Dm & Jacky Tar is in G |
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12 Oct 20 - 01:25 AM (#4075195) Subject: RE: Nyth y gwcw [Cuckoo's nest] From: leeneia I learned that Nyth a Gwcw from two Welsh musicians, but they called it Nyth a Gog. The B part of Nyth a Gwcw shares a few measures with the A part of Jacky Tar, but I think they are different enough to be considered two different tunes. For those not familiar with Welsh, w can sound like u, so that Gwcw is pronounced goocoo - obviously cuckoo. I enjoyed your rendition of Jacky Tar, Mr. Happy. |
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12 Oct 20 - 03:46 PM (#4075288) Subject: RE: Nyth y gwcw [Cuckoo's nest] From: Tradsinger Check out Pitchppole Jack including these 2 tunes in a medley. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PjNt0gakshI Tradsinger |
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13 Oct 20 - 07:54 AM (#4075363) Subject: RE: Nyth y gwcw [Cuckoo's nest] From: GUEST "I learned that Nyth a Gwcw from two Welsh musicians, but they called it Nyth a Gog." I think that may be a north Welsh/ south Welsh difference. The tune is found all over the place with both titles (and variations thereof) There are songs with words based on both titles too. Versions I know of include: Numerous Cotswold Morris Tunes The Welsh one "Jackie Tar" "Come Ashore Jolly Tar, with your Trousers On" * "The Cuckoos Nest" from Laurence Leadley, the fiddler of Helperby in north Yorkshire. This is The Leadley Cuckoo's Nest which is almost note for note a major key version of the usual minor key session version of Jacky Tar. * believed to be a reference to sailors keeping a clean pair of trousers on board for shore leave. |
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15 Oct 20 - 05:50 AM (#4075547) Subject: RE: Nyth y gwcw [Cuckoo's nest] From: Splott Man As I understand it: Nyth y Gwcw is a 32 bar tune usually played in Dm. here Nyth y Gog is a different 48 bar tune usually played in Am. here But the titles may be interchangeable, they both mean The Cuckoo's Nest. Splott Man |
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15 Oct 20 - 06:14 PM (#4075614) Subject: RE: Nyth y gwcw [Cuckoo's nest] From: Mr Happy Many thanks one & all for helpful suggestions & YTube snatches, which confirmed my hunch that the tunes seems almost mirror images Major/ Minor. leeneia, I appreciate your sentiment regarding the version of 'Jacky Tar' - alas not me playing, that's Gavin Atkin. More variations here: Nyth y gwcw Nyth y gwcw & Jacky Tar Jacky Tar |
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17 Oct 20 - 12:46 PM (#4075768) Subject: RE: Nyth y gwcw [Cuckoo's nest] From: leeneia That's not the Nyth a Gog I learned, but then, if all the tunes named The Cuckoo's Nest (in any language) were laid end to end, we could dance all night. |