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13 Apr 21 - 12:07 PM (#4102096) Subject: Lyr Req: Maccafferty From: r.padgett Maccaferty or similar spelling! I am looking for Roy Palmer's book title containing the provenance and original story of this song ~ I do sing a version but if anyone has their own collected version I would be happy to have it from you, please? lol I have two versions already btw Ray |
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13 Apr 21 - 12:30 PM (#4102099) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Maccafferty From: Jeri Something like this?This: DTStudy: McCassery and McCafferty - and McCaffery |
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13 Apr 21 - 12:34 PM (#4102100) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Maccafferty From: Steve Gardham I think you want The Rambling Soldier, Ray |
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13 Apr 21 - 12:34 PM (#4102101) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Maccafferty From: Jeri Sorry - the book title is a little bit buried. The Rambling soldier: Life in the lower ranks, 1750-1900, through soldiers' songs and writings (A Peacock book) |
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13 Apr 21 - 02:03 PM (#4102110) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Maccafferty From: Steve Gardham I can scan you the pages if you want, Ray, but I'm pretty certain all the history will be on here somewhere, as posted by Jeri. |
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13 Apr 21 - 05:08 PM (#4102121) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Maccafferty From: GUEST,henryp Roy Palmer; The Rambling Soldier 1977 Republished by Faber and Faber 2008 McCafferty; Our version was learned by a Mr Roy Harris while he was serving in the Royal Artillery in 1951. Roy Palmer; What a Lovely War, British Soldiers' Songs 1990 McCaffery; The version given here comes from the manuscript book of songs, poems and jokes compiled in India by William Blackmore, a clerk in the 1st Devonshire Regiment. |
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13 Apr 21 - 05:29 PM (#4102122) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Maccafferty From: GUEST,henryp There's another version in The Old Lamb and Flag The Songs and Story of Preston and its Guild by Tom Walsh and Gregg Butler 1992 McCaffery; Words: From the singing of Bill McAllister, Ashton, Preston. 1968. Tune:ibid, a variant on Lord Franklin. popular around 1859. |
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14 Apr 21 - 09:10 AM (#4102179) Subject: RE: Info: Maccafferty From: r.padgett Thanks all I found my copy of the Rambling Soldier Ray |
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14 Apr 21 - 03:35 PM (#4102219) Subject: RE: Info: Maccafferty From: r.padgett I think the Roy Harris was the folk singer who went on to sing semi professionally for many years associated with Derbyshire and Wales Ray HIs version has the verse about "the judge banging on wood" |
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14 Apr 21 - 04:06 PM (#4102220) Subject: RE: Info: Maccafferty From: Steve Gardham So not Roy Harris of NTMC then? |
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15 Apr 21 - 03:04 AM (#4102255) Subject: RE: Info: Maccafferty From: r.padgett Whoa yes him ~ geography failed Ray |
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15 Apr 21 - 03:05 AM (#4102256) Subject: RE: Info: Maccafferty From: r.padgett Born: June 15, 1933, Derby Died: February 9, 2016, Cardiff Ray |
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15 Apr 21 - 03:27 AM (#4102257) Subject: RE: Info: Maccafferty From: The Sandman Roy was a professional not semi pro.Roy also started Tradtions at the Tiger |
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15 Apr 21 - 05:37 AM (#4102264) Subject: RE: Info: Maccafferty From: GUEST,henryp Roy Harris recorded McCafferty on The Bitter and the Sweet. 1 TURPIN HERO (with Notts Alliance) 2 THE BONNY GREEN WOODS (with Muckram Wakes) 3 THE DEATH OF BILL BROWN 4 THE THREE BUTCHERS (self-accompanied on guitar) 5 THE ULLSWATER PACK (with chorus) 6 POOR OWD 'OSS (with Notts Alliance) 7 GENERAL LUDD'S TRIUMPH (with Muckram Wakes) 8 POVERTY KNOCK (with combined groups) 9 THE STREAMS OF LOVELY NANCY 10 ROBIN HOOD AND THE TANNER (with Notts Alliance and Roger Watson, dulcimer) 11 THE 'ROYAL OAK' 12 STRIKE THE BELL (with Notts Alliance) 13 McCAFFERTY 14 ALL THROUGH THE ALE (with Roger Watson, concertina) Recorded in Nottingham by Dick Swettenham 1971 First Published by Topic 1972 Notes by A. L. Lloyd Sleeve Design by Humphrey Weightman Illustration by Elizabeth Taggart Photography by John Tams Notts Alliance comprises: lan Stewart, Roger Grimes and Laurence Platt, with 2 melodeons, piano-accordion, concertina, guitar, whistle, and tambourine. Muckram Wakes (Derby based) consists of: Roger Watson, Helen Wainwright and John Tams, with concertina, dulcimer, fiddle, bouzouki, whistle and drum McCAFFERTY Of all traditional army ballads, this one leads the most energetic life and is taken most seriously by its listeners. Who was McCafferty? Even his name is vague; some say McCaffery. others McCassery. There's general agreement that he served in the 42nd Regiment (i.e., the Black Watch). Most versions name his depot as Fulwood Barracks, near Preston. But as to the name of the captain whom the soldier meant to kill, there's no concurrence at all - Hammond, Hamilton, Hanson, Neal, Nill, Nolan are but a few offered by singers. Much is unexplained: the Black Watch has never been stationed in Lancashire. And why should the trial, as generally agreed, take place at Liverpool Assizes instead of by court martial? Most likely the ballad is a dream conceived by a disaffected soldier, perhaps Irish, some time in the latter half of the 19th century, with the old 1798 Croppy Boy ballad at the back of his mind. Anyway, if it's short on historical fact, it's evidently strong on psychological truth for no other barrack room ballad so grips the imagination. Roy Harris learnt it in the Royal Artillery in 1951. We know more about McCafferty now! Later in the nineteenth century, except when on active service, the army began to hand over offenders to the civil power in certain cases. Thus Private M'Caffrey was tried for his life, and sentenced to death for the murder of two of his officers, at Liverpool Assizes, in 1862. Roy Palmer, The Rambling Soldier March 2021; Major General Nick Welch, who is believed to be the most senior officer to face court martial since 1815, was convicted of fraud following a four-week trial at Bulford military court in Wiltshire. Judge Advocate General Alan Large and a panel of senior officers jailed Welch for 21 months after a four-week court martial trial at Bulford Military Court. As well as his custodial sentence, which will be served in a civilian prison, Welch was told to pay the money back. |
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16 Apr 21 - 02:24 AM (#4102357) Subject: RE: Info: Maccafferty From: r.padgett Looks as though Roy did have a period of "full time" professionalism ~ I seem to recollect seeing somewhere that he did have a day job for a while ~ unfortunately the late nights in folk clubs coupled with no car and work hours did not work out and he lost a proper job or two!! He was of course a fine singer unaccompanied and an entertainer though not a comedian as such A big fit lad in his youth but as with many of the era drink became a problem health wise ~ and yes he did record a number of vinyl albums as well as CDs, deserves his place in the English folk club history scene Ray |