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22 Jun 20 - 04:02 PM (#4060819) Subject: ADD: Ballad of Penny Evans (Steve Goodman)^^^ From: Joe Offer Thread #56795 Message #1186339 Posted By: GUEST,Augie 15-May-04 - 03:01 PM Thread Name: Greatest Anti-War Song Ever? Subject: ADD: Ballad of Penny Evans (Steve Goodman)^^^
Steve Goodman wrote this the last time we got into a stupid ass war. |
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09 Oct 21 - 04:40 PM (#4122444) Subject: Lyr add: Penny Evans' Daughters - a sequel From: Felipa The Ballad of Penny Evans (Steve Goodman) doesn't have its own thread, but the lyrics were submitted here and this thread appears to be the one from which they were harvested for the Digital Tradition. I've come across a sequel by Roland Kushner There is a recording of Steve Goodman singing Penny Evans followed by Roland Kushner singing Penny Evans Daughters https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OxNdYucXZ54 PENNY EVANS DAUGHTERS (Roland Kushner) Penny Evans is my mother, also to my sister Mae Our father died in Viet Nam at the dawn of a bright new day His picture sits at home upon an old piano stool With one of him beside my mother playing “Heart and Soul” Our mother lived alone without a man to share her life She felt the steady heartache of a nation wrought with strife The lessons that she taught us, the lessons that we’ve learned Are how a life of peace is never given, only earned And as we grew to womanhood our lives went separate ways I sought out quiet and comfort, while Mae found passion’s blaze We learned our Daddy’s story that his memory not grow cold And the three of us each Father’s Day will still play “Heart and Soul” In Chicago and in New York, in Lake Charles and Bakersfield So many women had to forge a mother’s bond in steel The coming home was bitter for the soldiers who came home More bitter still the ache and torment of the widows left alone It’s a lesson, it’s a struggle, it’s an honor earned each year The raising of a family, standing strong and fighting fears Her reservoir of strong resolve, her courage, love, and faith A widow’s path she’s walked and lived with charm and style and grace We are Penny Evans’ daughters, it’s the dawning of our day The war that claimed our father’s life may never fade away Of their grandfather’s brave trial, how he went and was undone Are the stories we now tell to our daughters and our sons |
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12 Oct 21 - 01:12 PM (#4122697) Subject: RE: ADD: Ballad of Penny Evans +sequel (Steve Goodman) From: leeneia As so often happens when people are engaged in great controversy, matters are arranged so that those with the least clout and money suffer the ill effects. Here, Penny refuses the government money (like I believe that), and it will be her daughters who suffer the economic effects of that. But perhaps Penny has remarried, and her daughters go to good schools, take music lessons if they love music, get their eyes checked and see the dentist regularly. Somehow I doubt it. I have a niece who refused to cash her boys' child-support payments and spend the money on her sons. She put the money in bank accounts and said she would let them have it when they were 18. Is that any way to treat your kid? |
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12 Oct 21 - 01:47 PM (#4122700) Subject: RE: ADD: Ballad of Penny Evans +sequel (Steve Goodman) From: Felipa Leenia, the sequel song says the mother "lived alone without a man to share her life" so no she didn't remarry - according to Kushner's song.(Goodman said someone told him the story, that it is about a real person, and that she had eventually remarried. But let's look at it just as a song, is it a believeable fiction?) Presumably Penny had to work and probably the family wouldn't have been well off. They already had a piano and Penny could have taught the girls a bit of music herself. I agree that when I hear the words of the original song, I think to myself, "can she really afford not to use the government support; and also doesn't she and her children deserve to have it?" But that doesn't for me take away from the song, which I do find believeable. [also there is nothing in the song to tell us how long, how many months, Penny held out after she fkirst took her stance) I don't know the full circumstances of your niece, Leenia, so I can't comment on her decision. Maybe the boys will be glad to have a fund when they reach adulthood. |
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12 Oct 21 - 06:36 PM (#4122716) Subject: RE: ADD: Ballad of Penny Evans +sequel From: Felipa I quite often make small changes to singer-songwriter songs when I sing them myself. Penny Evans is not in my repetoire, but I can make a suggestion to address Leenia's objection to the song. How about singing re the government check "every month I WANT to tear it up and mail the damn thing back"? It may make Penny seem less strong-willed, but would get across the conflict and difficulty of her situation. Penny had her children early; the first one born before she was 18(she is 21, met Bill at 17, had 2 years and 9 months between the first child and the second child, and got the dreaded telegram when the second child was 10 months old; it must be late into the 21rst year as Penny has apparently had a few months of checks to tear up.) Maybe Leenia would like to write a different sequel: Penny telling how one day her resolution failed. A child needed to go to the dentist and the piano from Bill's granny needed tuned. Or she got laid off work. She finally has to cash a check. Or how and why despite having sung "he's the only boy I slept with and the only one I will," she decides to marry again. Or different verses from the daughter's perspective, saying how hard life was and wishing her mother had taken the government money. |
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13 Oct 21 - 11:16 AM (#4122789) Subject: RE: ADD: Ballad of Penny Evans +sequel (Steve Goodman) From: Dave the Gnome Bram Taylor, who is neither female nor 21, was on at our folk club many years back and started the evening with "Penny Evans" As soon as he sang the first line some cracked off laughing and that set the tone for the night. I don't think he ever forgave us :-) |
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13 Oct 21 - 04:34 PM (#4122808) Subject: RE: ADD: Ballad of Penny Evans +sequel (Steve Goodman) From: leeneia I don't want to sing it or rewrite it. I just wanted to point out how often in controversies, the weakest party gets it in the neck. For example, in Kansas City the school board and the teachers just couldn't seem to work out a fair integration program, so a federal judge ordered that for ten years, students had to be bussed to distant neighborhoods. Young kids were standing in the streets at six in the morning, no matter how cold it was, to get a bus to please this judge. And the Covid crisis - medical people, students and teachers are getting it in the neck because rednecks hate the government. School board members are getting death threats. Are these the defenseless parties? You bet. ==== Those checks are probably sitting in a fund somewhere to this day, waiting for Billy's heirs to claim them. |