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17 Feb 22 - 07:27 AM (#4136964) Subject: The Folk Music Hall of Fame From: GUEST,Frank Hamilton I am concerned about this organization inasmuch as it has been created by PR people. My suspicion is that there may be some political objective involved here. The producer of the web-site is a Nashville based right wing Christian fundamentalist. There seems to be an emphasis on the commercial side of the music biz regarding the "folk singers" that are "Folk Stars", an oxymoron if there ever was one. I would like others to do some research on this project and find out the roots and the motivation of the people involved. |
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17 Feb 22 - 07:29 AM (#4136965) Subject: RE: The Folk Music Hall of Fame From: GUEST,Frank Hamilton https://www.thefolkmusichalloffame.org/ |
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17 Feb 22 - 07:48 AM (#4136972) Subject: RE: The Folk Music Hall of Fame From: GUEST,saulgoldie Well, first of all, and obviously, any such list (which I did not see on the site)will be noted as much by who it INcluded as well as who it EXcluded. And even if I were to list mine own nominees, as sure as I am writing this at 0748 on Thursday, by noon, I will think of ten more. Having said that and in no particular order... Woody and Arlo Guthrie Pete Seeger Peter Paul and Mary Joan Baez Schooner Fare (trio) the Limeliters The Kingston Trio Harry Belafonte Doc Watson, Merl Haggard, Robert Zimmerman Tom Paxton Mike Seeger Peggy Seeger Kathy Fink Marcy Marxeer Craig Johnson Robert Johnson John Jackson Flora Molton Theodore Bikel And I haven't even finished my coffee yet! Saul |
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17 Feb 22 - 02:51 PM (#4137013) Subject: RE: The Folk Music Hall of Fame From: GUEST Utah Phillips |
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17 Feb 22 - 03:38 PM (#4137016) Subject: RE: The Folk Music Hall of Fame From: GUEST,Hootenanny I took a quick look at this puff. It seems to me that the people they are referring to are singer / songwriters and singers that sometimes sing folk songs. I don't see many (any?) folk. If you are looking for an organization that really appreciates the Folk Music of the USA and promotes the real thing I suggest you go to the Field Recorders' Collective. They have put out numerous recordings over the years and have just launched a 15 album series with fantastic notes, research and photographs free to download. I have just recently received the Preview album and am amazed. Check out fieldrecorder.org/nat These people are serious. You will be amazed too. |
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17 Feb 22 - 03:56 PM (#4137017) Subject: RE: The Folk Music Hall of Fame From: gillymor The whole idea of this seems antithetical to what I imagine folk music is all about. Reading the bios of the "Visionaries" I get the impression that they're the kind of music industry people who made their living screwing over, or at least taking advantage of, musicians. The best way to honor the music is to play it, sing it, listen to it and pass it on. |
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17 Feb 22 - 05:42 PM (#4137033) Subject: RE: The Folk Music Hall of Fame From: GUEST,Phil d'Conch The U$35 baseball cap merch has a trademark bug on the "Folk." IIRC they started up about ten years ago and put out a press release every couple of years. I still couldn't find an actual 'hall' or 'inductee' but confess, didn't look all that hard either. The business concept isn't as odd as it might seem at first glance. One can actually tourist The Woody Guthrie Center which is really just a one man hall of fame... with U$30 t-shirts. |
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17 Feb 22 - 06:36 PM (#4137041) Subject: RE: The Folk Music Hall of Fame From: PHJim I recall visiting the Flying Cloud Folk Club at the Tranzac in Toronto wearing a Shelter Valley Folk Festival T-shirt and being told that."It's a great festival, but it's not a 'folk festival'. It's a singer/songwriter festival." |
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17 Feb 22 - 06:44 PM (#4137043) Subject: RE: The Folk Music Hall of Fame From: Malcolm Storey I think we would be best served leaving this bunkum to our American cousins! |
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18 Feb 22 - 03:49 AM (#4137081) Subject: RE: The Folk Music Hall of Fame From: Joe Offer Now, Malcolm, this American was just about the nominate the remarkable Malcolm Storey..... [the devil made me do it] [don't hit me, Malcolm!] But how about Martin Carthy and Cyril Tawney and John Conolly and Martyn Windham-Read and a passle of others... Come to think of it, I don't like Halls of Fame. But if I did, I would nominate Patrick Faux Chadwick and his songs about the Seven Deadly Sins.... -Joe- |
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18 Feb 22 - 04:17 AM (#4137090) Subject: RE: The Folk Music Hall of Fame From: Mr Red A plague on all your Halls? |
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19 Feb 22 - 06:19 PM (#4137235) Subject: RE: The Folk Music Hall of Fame From: Joe_F I would be annoyed if anyone I admired were exploited by inclusion in such a thing. Indeed, I think fame itself is an evil. It is an old evil, with deep roots in the foulest crevices of human nature, and there is probably no way to get rid of it. Also, it has some good uses, and some people manage not to be corrupted by it. All those things may also be said about war -- with which fame, historically, has an intimate connection. |
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20 Feb 22 - 04:19 AM (#4137258) Subject: RE: The Folk Music Hall of Fame From: Allan Conn There has been a Scottish Traditional Music Hall Of Fame in place since 2005. I get the idea of PR manipulation but I think a lot of the idea in the Scottish one is just to recognise people who have contributed over the years. Two people who have sometimes attended our wee sessions have been inducted. Both for basically giving their time over the years in bringing on young musicians in two local community groups. Really nothing to do with fame or PR - just recognising people giving their time. Yes there is the professional performers who have been inducted too but I think just a squint down the list of inductees for those show it is more about recognising achievements rather than purely pushing sales. So don't know about the US one but I don't think they are automatically a negative thing. https://projects.handsupfortrad.scot/hall-of-fame/inductees/ |
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20 Feb 22 - 05:15 AM (#4137261) Subject: RE: The Folk Music Hall of Fame From: beachcomber As Groucho Marx nearly said "Who wants to be in a Hall of Fame that includes someone like me, anyway ??" |
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20 Feb 22 - 06:32 AM (#4137274) Subject: RE: The Folk Music Hall of Fame From: Malcolm Storey I thought Groucho actually said "I would not want to join a club that would have me as a member." I have used it a time or two - always acknowledging its origin. |
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20 Feb 22 - 07:49 AM (#4137281) Subject: RE: The Folk Music Hall of Fame From: The Sandman I refuse to join any club that would have me as a member. |
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20 Feb 22 - 09:14 PM (#4137343) Subject: RE: The Folk Music Hall of Fame From: Malcolm Storey Cheers Dick The sentiment's the same! Let's leave it with them - it might stop them starting WW3! Although thinking about it that could solve the climate change problem - bit drastic but they are strong on the greater good. |
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21 Feb 22 - 12:36 PM (#4137393) Subject: RE: The Folk Music Hall of Fame From: GUEST,Don Meixner I there aren't names like Malvina Reynolds, Lily Ledford, Goebel Reeves, Harry McClintock, Sis Cunningham, Logan English, Bess Hawes, or Cisco Houston in the list before it gets to the obvious ones I have no interest. Don |
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21 Feb 22 - 01:57 PM (#4137401) Subject: RE: The Folk Music Hall of Fame From: Tattie Bogle I was going to say the same as Allan Conn about the Scottish Traditional Music version of the Hall of Fame, which sounds somewhat different from the American version. I cannot think of anyone on the Scottish list who is/was not entirely deserving of that recognition, and as the list of categories shown in Allan's link, this can be for a wide range of varying services to Scottish music, all of which are an integral part of it. And some have been made posthumously. I have heard of a couple of people who should be up there, but have turned down the award, but they are nonetheless revered for their contributions to our music. |
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21 Feb 22 - 03:28 PM (#4137406) Subject: RE: The Folk Music Hall of Fame From: GUEST Your comments sort of echo my feelings about it too. "Folk Star" seems like an oxymoron to me. I wanted to get feedback. I think a Folk Music Museum that would recognize the real folk musicians would be welcome. In this, I think you have to include "folkies", non-traditional singers as well. Where would the Great Folk Scare be without Pete Seeger? He was a one-man PR firm for honest folk music from the 1940's on. He introduced Bluegrass banjo to New York City before it was popular. He made people aware of international folk songs by including them in his programs. |