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05 Sep 22 - 03:41 PM (#4152058) Subject: Singing from the floor J P Bean From: GUEST,The Sandman Review. A Curates Egg This is supposed to be a history of UK Folk Clubs, It seems to have a majority content of london and to a lesser extent Birmingham, it also is heavily focussed on the sixties and to a lesser extent the seventies and and then skips to the 21st century, and skips a generation, to their children such as nancy kerr, lisa carthy ben paley. ignoring many of the song carriers of the 80s and 90s, such as Jez Lowe, Steve Turner Nick Dow Chris Foster Pete Coe Brian Peters Wilson Family, Bill Caddick Peter Bond Paul Metsers Alistair Anderson keith hancock Richard Grainger Damien Barber all of whom were backbones of the 80s and 90s folk club scene. we have twenty pages about Ewan MacColl, nothing about songwriters Leon Rosselson, nothing about Graeme Miles, Ed Pickford, Jez Lowe, Ron Angel AnnLister KEITHmARSDEN and more who were prolific wrioters in the 80s and 90s. some predictable negafivity from bob davenport about MacColls name, but he does not criticise Johnny Handles name change, plus another stupid remark from Bob Davenport about his visit to the newprt folk festival in the USA[ WHAT IS THE RELEVANCE OF THIS TO UK FOLK CLUBS] Quote "they were having these workshops for instruments a real protestant thing they couldnt just enjoy the music" what a bigoted and negative and ignorant comment the 21st century has shown that workshops on the internet and other wise are good ways to improve, and my god there are a few singers in singers clubs that could with a few workshops on presentation and learning words No, this book,imo gives a london and birmingham centric view of the sixties and early seventies folk clubs gioves the impression there were no new song carriers in the 80s and 90s and nothing happened then till about 2005, where were the missing 25 years, and all those song carriers and song writers. I will be positive and say it is not a continuous history of uk folk clubs, and at best is a curates egg and at worst is a divisive and only partly accurate view of uk folk clubs. A good subject matter but not dealt with in much depth. I Was There Dick Miles |
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05 Sep 22 - 05:20 PM (#4152078) Subject: RE: Singing from the floor J P Bean From: GUEST "what a bigoted and negative and ignorant comment" - otherwise known as an "opinion". |
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05 Sep 22 - 10:40 PM (#4152097) Subject: RE: Singing from the floor J P Bean From: GUEST,The Sandman A divisive comment, a generalisation and stereotyping of all protestants. if a person had substituted norwegian, it would be deemed racist or hindu or muslim, it would be considered religous intolerance, so much of importance[ the years of the uk revival between1980s 1990s onwards left out of the book] and remarks like this included |
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05 Sep 22 - 11:26 PM (#4152099) Subject: RE: Singing from the floor J P Bean From: Joe Offer Don't answer anonymous trolls, Dick. |
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06 Sep 22 - 02:34 AM (#4152104) Subject: RE: Singing from the floor J P Bean From: r.padgett I have this book from 2014 ~ Bean was a regular I believe in the Three Cranes in Sheffield in the 1960s ~ not sure where Birmingham fits in here and yes I agree there seems to be chunks missing ~ Bean collated much of the content from others and jumped to more up to date artists of the 2000's and present Dave Eyre and Mike Wild may be able to assist and comment further Ray |
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06 Sep 22 - 03:53 AM (#4152105) Subject: RE: Singing from the floor J P Bean From: John MacKenzie At least he documented some of it for which I for one am grateful. I enjoyed what there was, and no I never got a mention either. |
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06 Sep 22 - 09:09 AM (#4152134) Subject: RE: Singing from the floor J P Bean From: GUEST,matt milton A very enjoyable book, I thought. |
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06 Sep 22 - 01:42 PM (#4152147) Subject: RE: Singing from the floor J P Bean From: GUEST,The Sandman From the point of view of balance and interest, bearing in mind there were 20 pages on Ewan, it might have been a good idea to have asked Peggy or Jim Carroll about how Ewan approached his song writing, Instead of dwelling on negatives such as his name change. nobody questions Johnny Handle or Ralph Mctell. I an still dumbfounded at the omission of leon Rosselson |
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07 Sep 22 - 01:21 AM (#4152185) Subject: RE: Singing from the floor J P Bean From: GUEST,The Sandman The book was published by Faber and Faber Limited, usually abbreviated to Faber, an independent publishing house in London, so it would have had good distribution , a good thing for the uk folk scene despite the books few flaws , |
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07 Sep 22 - 03:10 AM (#4152188) Subject: RE: Singing from the floor J P Bean From: Jim McLean JP Bean came to see me when he was researching his book and I gave him some stories and contacts. It’s not the definitive book on “folk singers” but interesting in its own way. “The Folk River” by Fraser Bruce is a very detailed work from Scotland’s aspect. |
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07 Sep 22 - 03:33 AM (#4152189) Subject: RE: Singing from the floor J P Bean From: Stanron Surely the book was never intended to be definitive. It sounds like one persons' experiences and collected anecdotes from a life on the UK folk scene. That sounds perfectly valid. I've not read it but if I come across it I will and I don't expect to be disappointed if some of my favourite singers are omitted. |
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07 Sep 22 - 04:37 AM (#4152196) Subject: RE: Singing from the floor J P Bean From: GUEST,Howard Jones I haven't read the book, but I recall it receiving mixed reviews when it came out. From what I can gather, it falls between two stools. It isn't simply the author's personal recollections of the folk scene at a particular time, the author went to some trouble to interview many of those involved. However neither is it a comprehensive fully-researched history. Perhaps its problem is that its claim to be a "history of British folk clubs" raises expectations which it fails to deliver. Nevertheless, it is surely a good thing that there is some record, however flawed and incomplete, of the folk club scene. |
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07 Sep 22 - 07:14 AM (#4152203) Subject: RE: Singing from the floor J P Bean From: GUEST Perhaps its problem is that its claim to be a "history of British folk clubs" raises expectations which it fails to deliver.Nevertheless, it is surely a good thing that there is some record, however flawed and incomplete, of the folk club scene. quote I agree |
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07 Sep 22 - 07:14 AM (#4152204) Subject: RE: Singing from the floor J P Bean From: GUEST,The Sandman above post was mine |
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07 Sep 22 - 08:36 AM (#4152211) Subject: RE: Singing from the floor J P Bean From: Gavin Paterson Singing From The Floor is a valuable book, whatever may be missing. I bought it book when it was first issued. I wasn't close to being "there at the time" and I learned a lot from this book. What was lacking, for me, was a decent look at the Scottish scene of that same period. I mentioned this to Fraser Bruce, suggesting he was ideally placed to write the Scottish perspective. But it took the sad passing of his two friends, Gordeanna McCulloch and Anne Neilson, within weeks of each other, to get things moving. |
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13 Sep 22 - 12:21 PM (#4152342) Subject: RE: Singing from the floor J P Bean From: GUEST,johnmc Think I'll track down the F Bruce book. Recently enjoyed Mike Heron's recollections and, of course, Ronnie Browne's. |