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23 Oct 22 - 10:17 AM (#4156079) Subject: New folk song From: GUEST,Tatts What is the best new folk songs written in the last 20 years? I love all the traditional songs and wonder if new material cannot match it, now there are no workers sitting in pubs writing about their lives and environment. |
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23 Oct 22 - 11:00 AM (#4156084) Subject: RE: New folk song From: Stilly River Sage If they were written in the last 20 years they aren't "Folk songs." |
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23 Oct 22 - 11:38 AM (#4156091) Subject: RE: New folk song From: MaJoC the Filk .... yet. |
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23 Oct 22 - 11:42 AM (#4156092) Subject: RE: New folk song From: Jeri This is a sort of Pavlov's dogs thing... How about the song most likely to live on as a folk song. (Everything we consider a "folk song" was new once". In other words, God no, not this AGAIN. |
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23 Oct 22 - 11:47 AM (#4156094) Subject: RE: New folk song From: MaJoC the Filk (*ahem*) Apologies for shooting off my keyboard from the hip. Would "folk-adjacent" be less confrontational? before we descend into the traditional and everlasting What Is Folk discussion. |
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23 Oct 22 - 11:54 AM (#4156097) Subject: RE: New folk song From: Bill D There's 'traditional' and 'in the tradition'... The best 'songs that sound traditional' that I know are by Craig Johnson https://craigjohnson3.bandcamp.com/album/away-down-the-road |
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23 Oct 22 - 11:55 AM (#4156098) Subject: RE: New folk song From: MaJoC the Filk I cede to Jeri, and suggest "folk song in waiting" as a generic term for new stuff in the folk style. |
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23 Oct 22 - 01:41 PM (#4156105) Subject: RE: New folk song From: Bonzo3legs "If they were written in the last 20 years they aren't "Folk songs." Absolute rubbish, Steve Knightly of Show of Hands regularly writes folk songs and so does Richard Thompson. |
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23 Oct 22 - 01:57 PM (#4156108) Subject: RE: New folk song From: The Sandman Bonzo has switched the lights off knocked three times and has had words with Cecil Sharp. Bonzo has also contacted Ewan MacColl and Pete Seeger, and so considers himself an authority on the matter |
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23 Oct 22 - 02:00 PM (#4156109) Subject: RE: New folk song From: Bonzo3legs Correct |
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23 Oct 22 - 02:18 PM (#4156111) Subject: RE: New folk song From: The Sandman Have you also spoken to AlanLomax |
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23 Oct 22 - 02:30 PM (#4156115) Subject: RE: New folk song From: Georgiansilver I think someone is confused between 'traditional folk music' and folk music in general. I wrote a couple of songs which were entered into e 'Write a Lincolnshire Folk Song competition', organised by the BBC, in recent years..... One came second in 2005..... Folk songs are still being written but may not become known as traditional for many years. |
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23 Oct 22 - 02:30 PM (#4156116) Subject: RE: New folk song From: gillymor They might be older than 20 years but Richard Thompson's "Beeswing" and his "1952 Vincent Black Lightning" might be sung for a good long while. Same for Leon Rosselson's "World Turned Upside Down". |
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23 Oct 22 - 02:49 PM (#4156117) Subject: RE: New folk song From: WalkaboutsVerse As posted years ago, folk music may usefully be divided into two main categories – Traditional (unknown composer), & Composer (known - either deceased or contemporary, which may appear as self-penned or covers). Although I don't necessarily agree with their arguments, The Young'uns are very good at composing folk songs, in my opinion. |
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23 Oct 22 - 03:24 PM (#4156123) Subject: RE: New folk song From: Bonzo3legs Take no notice of Sandman. |
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23 Oct 22 - 03:40 PM (#4156126) Subject: RE: New folk song From: The Sandman gilly mor , a song may be a good song that does not necessarily mean it is a folk song even if bonzo says it is, of coures beeswing uses the tune of a hornpipe composed by james hill |
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23 Oct 22 - 03:51 PM (#4156128) Subject: RE: New folk song From: gillymor You mean someone put lyrics to an old tune? Jeepers, that's never been done before. :') |
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23 Oct 22 - 04:06 PM (#4156130) Subject: RE: New folk song From: The Sandman we both know that it has been done before, but it was a composed tune, not a trad tune, it was a composition by james hill, so in reality it is words Thompson, tune james hill, however my important point is that a song may be a good song but that does not make it a folk song, for example Dedicated Follwer of Fashion is a composition by Ray Davies, imo it is a well written song, it is generally classifed as a popular song it is not generally considered a folk song |
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23 Oct 22 - 04:14 PM (#4156131) Subject: RE: New folk song From: gillymor Don't waste bandwidth on me. I don't care how old a song is, where it comes from, wether it was composed or just showed up. Either I like or I don't and that's all that matters to me. Now, I'm out of the futile "what is a folk song" aspect of this discussion. |
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23 Oct 22 - 04:28 PM (#4156132) Subject: RE: New folk song From: GUEST Don't listen to Sandman...Yes, there is a tune called Beeswing written by James Hill...But IT IS NOT the tune used by Richard Thompson for his song!! Unless I am crazy and know nothing about music...which is what Sandman will probably suggest. See The Session for the James Hill tune......https://thesession.org/tunes/945 Tim Radford |
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23 Oct 22 - 04:31 PM (#4156134) Subject: RE: New folk song From: Bonzo3legs "Now, I'm out of the futile "what is a folk song" aspect of this discussion." So am I. |
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23 Oct 22 - 04:36 PM (#4156135) Subject: RE: New folk song From: gillymor Thanks for that link, Tim. |
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23 Oct 22 - 04:40 PM (#4156137) Subject: RE: New folk song From: The Sandman now there are no workers sitting in pubs writing about their lives and environment. quote OP wrong, i have heard people in ireland who are writing songs about their lives and environment and people are doing it in the uk too Tim, it is the same tune but in a different tempo. |
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23 Oct 22 - 04:54 PM (#4156139) Subject: RE: New folk song From: The Sandman one songwriter that writes about his environment is Jez Lowe, and he has written some very good songs. here is another good song that was written recently and poularised by christy moore On Morecambe Bay Kevin Littlewood Out beyond the street lamps where the calliopes roar Past the rack and samphire, beyond the shore I’ve seen them walking through the tide as rain cuts through the spray Chinese cockle-pickers on the sands of Morecambe Bay I stood behind them in the corner shop and in the market too I should have spoken to them, told them everything I knew Like our mothers told us as we went out to play Never try and race the tide on the sands of Morecambe Bay For the tide is The Devil, it will run you out of breath Race you to the seashore, chase you to your death The tide is the very Devil and the Devil has its day On the lonely cockle banks of Morecambe Bay Saw them sending money orders home, all their hard earned pay Tales of crossing borders on the road to Morecambe Bay Sleeping in crowded rooms on cold hard floors Such dreamless life is not worth dying for I see them in the distance, laid out in the morning light 23 migrant workers were drowned last night Their final phonecalls halfway round the world crossed As between the river estuaries they raced the tide and lost For the tide is The Devil, it will run you our of breath Race you to the seashore, chase you to your death The tides is the very Devil and The Devil has its day On the lonely cockle banks of Morecambe Bay In Fujian and Zeeland they mourn their next of kin Gang masters with snake tattoos call money loans back in Broked hearted parents watch their children stow away To the lonely cockle banks of Morecambe Bay The tide is the very Devil and The Devil has its day On the lonely cockle banks of Morecambe Bay |
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23 Oct 22 - 05:10 PM (#4156140) Subject: RE: New folk song From: The Sandman on Morecambe Bay, I would describe as a well written song in a folk style, unlike Bonzo, i do not lay down the law and state quote "Steve Knightly of Show of Hands regularly writes folk songs and so does Richard Thompson." the only point i made is that Dedicated Follower of Fashion is a well written song but it is generally classified as popular music, that is a statement of fact "Dedicated Follower of Fashion" is a 1966 song by British band the Kinks. It lampoons the contemporary British fashion scene and mod culture in general. Originally released as a single, it has been included on many of the band's later albums. Musically, it and "A Well Respected Man" marked the beginning of an expansion in the Kinks' inspirations, drawing as much from British music hall traditions as from American rhythm and blue wiki Ray Davies claimed that the song was inspired by a fight he had with a fashion designer at a party: I got pissed off with [a fashion designer at a party] always going on about fashion. I was just saying you don't have to be anything; you decide what you want to be and you just walk down the street and if you're good the world will change as you walk past. I just wanted it to be the individual who created his own fashion. ... [It was] a terrible brawl. I kicked him, and I kicked his girlfriend up the arse. Davies claims he wrote the song in one sitting, typing the lyrics out on a typewriter, with no later revision. It was performed with Davies mostly accompanying himself on acoustic guitar, with the rest of the band joining in on the "It will make or break him so he's got to buy the best 'cause..." and echoing the "Oh yes he is" lines in the refrain. The song contains two lines from the 1905 English adventure novel The Scarlet Pimpernel; "they seek him here, they seek him there". |
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23 Oct 22 - 05:25 PM (#4156143) Subject: RE: New folk song From: Stilly River Sage First time someone wants to enforce their copyright the "folk song" designation goes out the window. It has an author. It may be, like Bill said, in the style of, but it has an author. |
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23 Oct 22 - 05:26 PM (#4156144) Subject: RE: New folk song From: WalkaboutsVerse I've enjoyed a couple of Jez Lowe gigs - his songs often incorporating well-known sayings; and I agree that those are good street-smart lyrics by Kevin Littlewood. |
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23 Oct 22 - 09:18 PM (#4156159) Subject: RE: New folk song From: The Sandman Bonzo has stated, Steve Knightly of Show of Hands regularly writes folk songs and so does Richard Thompson. By contrast i am more concerned with the ops comment, "now there are no workers sitting in pubs writing about their lives and environment." I have given examples of songs written by working people about their lives and environment. good songs about workers lives and entertainment can also be written by people who are just observers, an example is Harry Chapins Shortest Story Lyrics I am born today The Sun burns a promise In my eye Mama strikes me And I draw a breath and cry Above me a cloud Slowly tumbles through the sky I am glad, to be alive It is my seventh day I taste the hunger And I cry My Brother and sister Cling to Mama's side She squeezes her breast But it has nothing to provide Someone weeps, I fall asleep It is twenty days today Mama does not hold me Anymore I open my mouth But I am to weak to cry Above me a bird slowly crawls across the sky Why is there nothing Now to do but die? |
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23 Oct 22 - 09:50 PM (#4156163) Subject: RE: New folk song From: The Sandman here is a quote from the Guardian about Leon Rosselson an acclaimed songwriter writing in a style that ios categorised as Folk "Rosselson is most often categorised as a folk singer, but his cutting sense of humour and refusal to simply play to a formula mean he does not always fit in here, either. His songs are far closer to pieces of theatre or self-contained radio plays than simple verse-chorus-verse, boy meets girl or maidservant meets lord of the manor. "They don't know where to put me because there is not a category like chanson over here," he says. "If you go to a record shop you will find me in the folk section, which is OK as I have to be somewhere. But I think my music goes beyond that." It is clear that Rosselson sits closest to chanson, but, despite some false dawns, the genre has never taken off in England, at least not in our native tongue. Brel tributes can always draw a crowd, but what could be regarded as English chanson remains almost an awkward note in the margins of English music. "I think the reason for the lack of an English chanson is perhaps because we share a language with America," says Rosselson. "While there was an English music-hall tradition, it is American commercial music that has dominated the musical life of this country. end of quote https://www.theguardian.com/music/2009/jun/05/folk |
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24 Oct 22 - 07:36 AM (#4156188) Subject: RE: New folk song From: GUEST,Jim Knowledge I `ad that Tatts in my cab the other day. I recognised `im `cos `e `ad one of those pronoun badges on `is lapel and it said " I`m Tatts and i`m a they". I said, " Morning Tatts. Are you the Tatts that is asking about new folk songs on that Mudcat?" `e said, "That`s me Jim. One and the same. `ere, you and your lot `ave been at it for ages doing trad. `ave you used any new ones?" I said, " Blimey, I`ve written loads of `em. I`ll tell you about one in particular called " Men of Kent" written by my mate Ken, many moons ago when we was in "Four Square Circle". `e said, "Yeah, I remember you on "Country Meets Folk"" I said , "Well, we was doing "The Crypt" in London and Ken, being a modest bloke introduced the song but said `e `ad no idea about its origin rather than say `e wrote it. Well after we `ad done the night someone came up to us and told us it was 200 years old!! Whaddam I Like??? |
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24 Oct 22 - 08:43 AM (#4156203) Subject: RE: New folk song From: Bonzo3legs I can tell that you lot have nothing to do!!!!! |