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06 Jun 23 - 09:21 AM (#4173952) Subject: The Alehouse Sessions From: GUEST,Tug the Cox https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m001lcvt Well worth watching |
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06 Jun 23 - 03:37 PM (#4173971) Subject: RE: The Alehouse Sessions From: Steve Gardham Good fun if you want to watch a bunch of hooray Henrys with no idea what folk music existed in the 17th century. I couldn't fault their enthusiasm and musicianship but authenticity flies out of the window. |
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06 Jun 23 - 04:40 PM (#4173973) Subject: RE: The Alehouse Sessions From: GUEST There was a discussion about this already, maybe about 2 months ago. Steve Gardham sums it up perfectly. |
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07 Jun 23 - 04:56 AM (#4174006) Subject: RE: The Alehouse Sessions From: GUEST,patriot a promising title but just demonstrates how little the BBC understands about a musical movement with a huge number of followers. Associating the music with the 'alehouse' is rather anachronistic when traditional 'alehouses' are closing by the hundred and the remainder are now a heaving mass of punters deafened by rock music, screaming football commentaries waving their QR codes at the barman or would-be gourmets stuffing themselves with pretentious and expensive nosh. No thanks |
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07 Jun 23 - 04:46 PM (#4174071) Subject: RE: The Alehouse Sessions From: GUEST Couldn't find an earlier thread. Steve, how do YOU know what existed in the 17th century, patriot, the programme is about a ten year period, under Cromwell, when the theatres were closed and music did in fact find a home in the alehouses |
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08 Jun 23 - 04:42 AM (#4174112) Subject: RE: The Alehouse Sessions From: GUEST,patriot Guest, my reference was to the use of 'alehouse' as a hanger for people to think these are centres of music 'sessions' There certainly were no 'sessions' in the 17th century- the session (or even the ghastly 'seisun') is a JAZZ term adopted by folkies in the 60s.' many of whom are still living in the 17th century. Will the programme about music under Cromwell be sold to Ireland?- can't see it being popular in Drogheda |
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08 Jun 23 - 04:47 AM (#4174113) Subject: RE: The Alehouse Sessions From: GUEST,Lang Johnnie More Previous discussion here : https://www.mudcat.org/thread.cfm?threadid=172022&messages=18 |
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08 Jun 23 - 04:49 AM (#4174114) Subject: RE: The Alehouse Sessions From: GUEST,Lang Johnnie More Can't seem to make link work. Thread title was :"BBC TV This Week 2023". |
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08 Jun 23 - 06:40 AM (#4174119) Subject: RE: The Alehouse Sessions From: GUEST,Howard Jones Playford gets claimed by both the Early Music/Classical and folk worlds, who have very different ideas about interpretation. This seems to be an attempt to bring elements of both, although I suspect the musicians' roots are mainly in the former. It appears to have been a TV version of a touring show and is perhaps aimed more at a classical or general audience. I can think of a number of UK performers of Playford who I would rather have watched. What I found most disappointing was that much of the material they performed wasn't from the Playford era, when there are so many superb tunes in Playford that a programme could easily have been built around. It's still on iPlayer but I'm not rushing to watch it again. |
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08 Jun 23 - 06:33 PM (#4174179) Subject: RE: The Alehouse Sessions From: GUEST,Guest I watched some of one and was appalled by the triteness of it. The one I watch seemed to be loaded with Scandinavians. Hardly worth a mention here. |
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09 Jun 23 - 01:34 PM (#4174200) Subject: RE: The Alehouse Sessions From: MaJoC the Filk We watched it. There's a time and a place for deep scholarship and accurate historical reenactments; but there's also a time and a place for *fun*. To me, it had enough of the scholarship to satisfy my inner pedant, but it was bags of fun, and all told very reminiscent of some of the best early-music performances I've been to. I'd never heard Leaving Of Liverpool done as a slow-paced song of departure* before: surprisingly moving. (I tried that a few days later at a live session, and it's very effective.) My take: Back in the Commonwealth, the musicians used material which was familiar then to their audiences. In the programme in question, the musicians recreated the atmosphere of *then* for today's audience, by using songs and tunes which are familiar *now*. Possibly anachronistic, but much fun was had by all, and who knows which of the audience might have thereby been drawn into the Real Thing :-) ? €0.02 from the demented keyboard of: MaJoC * cf The Parting Glass, which I was Told should be sung as if tiptoeing out of the bar. I'd just been guilty of taking it at full-pelt chanty speed, as if being sung over one's shoulder while being frogmarched out of the pub by the bouncer. |
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09 Jun 23 - 08:26 PM (#4174232) Subject: RE: The Alehouse Sessions From: GUEST,Guest MaJoC Que! |