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27 Oct 23 - 03:33 AM (#4186297) Subject: Lyr Req: Wild Geese a-flying, a-flying From: Thompson Now, this may be a makey-uppy by O'Brian, but in his Master and Commander he has a run that goes… well, wait a minute. The two people talking are Jack Aubrey, the eponymous, and Stephen Maturin, a United Irishman on his keeping after the slaughter that followed the 1798 Rising. It goes: "…we waked old Terence Healy. He had been my grand-father's tenant. And there was a song they sang there has been in the middle part of my mind all day… there were English words as well. One line went – Oh the wild geese a-flying a-flying a-flying The wild geese a-swimming upon the grey sea [and then he continues to sing] They will never return, for the white horse has scunnered Has scunnered has scunnered The white horse has scunnered upon the green lea. == Is this an actual song, and is it still sung if so? (And by the way, since he's using a term, scunnered, that I'd think of more Northern or Scottish, though I might be wrong there, I'm also seeking a translation from Scots or Northern Irish, for a term used in my family which I guess comes from their Scots roots: "luggish" Anyone out there who can give me a precise meaning?) |
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27 Oct 23 - 06:18 AM (#4186296) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Wild Geese a-flying, a-flying From: Raggytash Are these lines part of the Wild Goose Shanty also referred to as Ranzo Ranzo? |
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28 Oct 23 - 12:05 AM (#4186291) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Wild Geese a-flying, a-flying From: GUEST,JTT I don’t know that shanty. |
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28 Oct 23 - 03:04 AM (#4186292) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Wild Geese a-flying, a-flying From: GUEST no |
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29 Oct 23 - 04:26 AM (#4186293) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Wild Geese a-flying, a-flying From: GUEST,Dave Hanson No, it's not the same song as ' Ranzo ' or Reuben Ranzo. Dave H |
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29 Oct 23 - 04:28 AM (#4186294) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Wild Geese a-flying, a-flying From: GUEST,Dave Hanson Reuben Ranzo, also known as ' Wild Goose Flying ' Dave H |
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30 Oct 23 - 10:53 AM (#4186298) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Wild Geese a-flying, a-flying From: Thompson It might be a makey uppy by the author. |
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30 Oct 23 - 06:26 PM (#4186299) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Wild Geese a-flying, a-flying From: Thompson As for "luggish" - any Scots out there with a definition and usage? |
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30 Oct 23 - 07:34 PM (#4186295) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Wild Geese a-flying, a-flying From: GUEST,Phil d'Conch Needs context. Could just be “luggage,” or whatever, in some author's idea of an accent, or... “LUGGISH, an indolent, or idle fellow.––LUGGISH-HEEDED, heavy headed, thick headed.” [A Glossary of North Country Words, in Use, Brockett, 1825] Slightly later edition: “LUGGISH, a dull, heavy, stupid. Probaby loggish. LUGGISH, s an indolent, or idle fellow. “Loup, ye luggish, ye ha' nae spunk in ye.”” [A Glossary of North Country Words, in Use, Brockett, 1829] “LUGGISH. Dull; heavy; stupid. Luggy is also heard in the same sense.” [A Dictionary of Archaic and Provincial Words, Obsolete Phrases, Proverbs, and Ancient Customs, from the Fourteenth Century, Vol. 2, Halliwell-Phillipps, 1860] |
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31 Oct 23 - 11:10 AM (#4186300) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Wild Geese a-flying, a-flying From: Thompson The word is written, not heard in my reference. A visitor has called to the writer's digs while the writer was absent: "Miss Burne told me that she did not offer him anything - which was luggish of her. But he should have asked for something - if he had only known there was potted chicken & ham in the sideboard, besides cheese & bread & stout, not to mention rashers & eggs & a chump chop, which I bought specially for him." |
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01 Nov 23 - 08:13 AM (#4186301) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Wild Geese a-flying, a-flying From: Thompson I'm very grateful for this definition, Phil d'Conch, been looking for it for years. |