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18 Sep 24 - 02:18 AM (#4208508) Subject: Lyr Req: English Songs about Tramps From: DaveJohnson I am putting together a show about 'going on the wallaby', 'humpin bluey, waltzing matilda and am looking to find an english folk song that describes being on the tramp in the 1800s in England. This is to provide historical context as tramping was not uncommon in England with laws such as the Vagrancy Act and such to deal with the numbers, estimated as 60,000 in 1821! |
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18 Sep 24 - 02:28 AM (#4208510) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: English Songs about Tramps From: The Sandman tramps and hawker lads, scottish |
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18 Sep 24 - 02:34 AM (#4208511) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: English Songs about Tramps From: The Sandman the Hebridean tramping song SCOTTISH |
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18 Sep 24 - 02:37 AM (#4208512) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: English Songs about Tramps From: The Sandman A Wayfarers life |
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18 Sep 24 - 03:18 AM (#4208513) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: English Songs about Tramps From: The Sandman american songs ?hallelujah im a bum |
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18 Sep 24 - 03:26 AM (#4208514) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: English Songs about Tramps From: Black belt caterpillar wrestler Little beggar girl, To the begging I will go. Robin |
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18 Sep 24 - 04:35 AM (#4208520) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: English Songs about Tramps From: The Sandman Tramps and begging, a tenuous connection |
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18 Sep 24 - 04:56 AM (#4208528) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: English Songs about Tramps From: Tattie Bogle Glasgow Dan, the Music Man Lovely song by Gaberlunzie, also Scottish, but describes the subject of the song as having served in WW2, so not quite the era you were looking for, although he did tramp the country round. |
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18 Sep 24 - 06:49 AM (#4208533) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: English Songs about Tramps From: Dave the Gnome Try Music Hall stuff - Burlington Bertie sprang to mind but he is an idler rather than a tramp. I Googled "English tramp songs" and found The Tramp. "Collected from the singing of: unknown; England : Staffordshire : 1952 Bradley, May; England : Shropshire : 1959 Mills, Bob; England : Hampshire : 1978 Modern Performances Jon Wilks" |
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18 Sep 24 - 08:28 AM (#4208538) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: English Songs about Tramps From: DaveJohnson That is the only one I have come across so far using Lord Google. Thanks for the suggestion. |
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18 Sep 24 - 12:01 PM (#4208544) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: English Songs about Tramps From: GUEST Knight of the Road, written by Joe Beard. I am unsure if it has ever been recorded but it it well worth seeking out. |
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18 Sep 24 - 02:03 PM (#4208553) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: English Songs about Tramps From: GUEST,Richard Spencer the Rover? |
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18 Sep 24 - 02:48 PM (#4208557) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: English Songs about Tramps From: Black belt caterpillar wrestler I agree that beggars and tramps are not neccessarily the same, however some versions of the two that I put forward seem to suggest the tramp lifestyle. Robin |
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18 Sep 24 - 02:50 PM (#4208558) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: English Songs about Tramps From: Black belt caterpillar wrestler Thinking of similar lifestyles, perhaps there is a connection to Streets of London? Robin |
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18 Sep 24 - 06:46 PM (#4208566) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: English Songs about Tramps From: DaveJohnson Thanks for the suggestions so far I will check them all out to see if anything fits what I have in mind. There is some overlap with the travelling folk so Ewan McColl's radio ballads may offer something too. |
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18 Sep 24 - 06:52 PM (#4208569) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: English Songs about Tramps From: Sandra in Sydney Dave, are you planning something for the Bush Traditions Gathering? |
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19 Sep 24 - 03:35 AM (#4208579) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: English Songs about Tramps From: The Sandman Tramps apparently often chose the lifestyle, in a similar fashion to travellers , that is different from streets of london.https://www.rte.ie/culture/2022/0323/1288017-songs-of-the-open-road-traveller-singer-thomas-mccarthy-in-focus/ |
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19 Sep 24 - 08:52 AM (#4208593) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: English Songs about Tramps From: GUEST,henryp Please Let Me Sleep On Your Doorstep Tonight Billy Bennett; Almost a Gentleman - Songs and Recitations; Topic TSCD 780 Three songs of a kind are Don't Send My Boy To Prison, Please Let Me Sleep on Your Doorstep Tonight and She was Poor But She Was Honest, cod melodramatic Victorian songs, sung by Bennett in his best beery voice (and always pitched just a little too high, to achieve the right slightly strangulated delivery), accompanied by similarly beery male chorus and minimal banjo. Great fun. mustrad HOMELESS WASSAIL (by Ian Robb of Finest Kind) "Wassail, wassail, all over the town, Our cup is white and our ale is brown" But huddled on the iron grate we poor and hungry curse our fate. No wassail bowl for such as these No turkey scraps, no ale nor cheese, This Christmas Eve our heart's desire Is a bottle of gin and a trashcan fire. |
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19 Sep 24 - 10:27 AM (#4208595) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: English Songs about Tramps From: GUEST,Tom Patterson Not really 19th century and not exactly about a tramp but my song, Theodore Lamb tells the story of a working Oxfordshire hermit who had a shack he lived in beside a country road not too far from Banbury. He was a trained clockmaker and repairer who travelled miles every day looking for work. He died around 1950. He was very much a local celebrity and is still talked about in that area. There are a number of wonderful photographs on the internet. Theodore Lamb was a Sibford boy, a stranger to the town Greenwoods and fields about him were his joy He loved the turning seasons, nature's colours, every sound He never saw the hours passing by. But farming gave him little pay, he left to learn a trade Through honest labour he would find his way Clockmaker and repairer, his future surely made He never saw the hours passing by When the Great War came to blight the land, Theodore had changed He lived a life that few could understand Unkempt in tattered clothing his whole world rearranged He never saw the hours passing by. They called him up to serve the King but he refused to fight He said he didn't start the thing and killing wasn't right He never saw the hours passing by, he never saw the hours passing by. His matted beard hung down his chest, he plaited his long hair Soon wearing sackcloth led to his arrest They claimed he was indecent but he just didn't care He never saw the hours passing by. He played his wind-up gramophone, a penny for each song Fixed watches in his run-down shack alone He dragged his cart through winter, travelled miles all summer long He never saw the hours passing by. Time brought fame to Theodore, the hermit on the hill Rich people came to see a man so poor He charged them two and sixpence, their privilege his will He never saw the hours passing by. Respected for his dignity, nobody said he lied He had no truck with charity and worked until he died He never saw the hours passing by, he never saw the hours passing by. |
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19 Sep 24 - 12:10 PM (#4208596) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: English Songs about Tramps From: Dave the Gnome I'd forgotten Spencer the Rover. Lovely song. |
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19 Sep 24 - 07:09 PM (#4208615) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: English Songs about Tramps From: GeoffLawes Please Let Me Sleep on Your Doorstep Tonight · Barry Coope · Lester Simpson · Fi Fraser · Jo Freya https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&v=4OZQoY1RGA4 |
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20 Sep 24 - 12:37 PM (#4208645) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: English Songs about Tramps From: Georgiansilver Irish one!! https://youtu.be/mvPOTucka4w?si=dB89x5ahIwclUed8 |
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23 Sep 24 - 08:49 AM (#4208753) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: English Songs about Tramps From: Rigby Ha, I was just about to post to say how much I dislike Spencer the Rover. It seems to me such a trite and sentimental song, and the tune really plods. I guess the subjects of The Rambling Comber ('Now it's on the tramp / I'm forced to stamp') and Rambleaway could be considered tramps? |