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10 Feb 00 - 11:08 AM (#176163) Subject: Irish song Limerik rake From: GUEST,Anna Agús fagaimid siúd mar atá sé I found this sentence in the Irish song "The Limerik rake". What does it mean? Thanks Anna |
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10 Feb 00 - 11:56 AM (#176183) Subject: RE: Irish song Limerik rake From: Troll It doesn't matter to me. (liberal translation) troll |
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10 Feb 00 - 03:48 PM (#176301) Subject: RE: Irish song Limerik rake From: Martin _Ryan The literal meaning is "and we'll leave that as it is". The sense is rouighly as Troll suggests.The nearest English idiom I can think of is "'nuff said!" Regards |
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10 Feb 00 - 10:18 PM (#176499) Subject: RE: Irish song Limerick rake From: Liam's Brother Hi Anna! When a song gets put into a book (or recorded by someone well known) it tends to get "standardized." "The Limerick Rake" was printed in Colm O Lochlainn's great bible, Irish Street Ballads. I have seen a few quite old texts of this song that have the last line of each verse in English (e.g. "and I'd like to be twisting their garters.")... different each time. Just thought you might like to know that.
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11 Feb 00 - 03:53 AM (#176566) Subject: RE: Irish song Limerik rake From: GUEST,Anna Thanks to everybody. English is quite hard to understand for me, but gaelic is absolutely impossible. |
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12 Feb 00 - 12:23 AM (#177001) Subject: RE: Irish song Limerik rake From: Brendy "And though being from the mountains, her stockings are white, And I'd love to be tightening her garters." |
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29 Jul 02 - 10:40 AM (#756381) Subject: Lyr add: FAGAIMID SIUD MAR ATA SE - Limerick rake From: GUEST,Philippa I'm very surprised not to find lyrics for the Limerick Rake at Mudcat, though there are several other songs set to that tune available in the forum and the DT. The lyrics are available several places on the web (though not with Brendy's line about the garters); see for instance the Prof's pages even if he does write "Limmerick" with an extra m. For guitar accompaniment, see also Haus de Internationalen Folklore According to web sources, recordings include Tim Lyons, Patrick Galvin, Mick Maloney, Christy Moore (North & South), the Pogues, Ronnie Drew (The humour is on me now). tune in songwrite format. At a French site it says the tune is called "An Caitín Bán"; I have that song in a book at home, so I'll have a look later. The source of this information appears to be Folksongs and ballads popular in Ireland (volume 2), Ossian Publications, 1979. According to Vince Hearns , the music for this song found in both Petrie's Complete Collection and Joyce's "Irish Music and Song" under the title Fágamid siúd mar atá sé Here is a set of lyrics for a mostly Irish-language version: As published in Diarmaid Ó Muirithe, "An t-Amhrán Macarónach". Baile Átha Cliath (Dublin): An Clóchomhar Teo., 1980. Source:An Claisceadal IX, 9. FÁGAIMID SIÚD MAR ATÁ SÉ
Is dóigh le gach brídeach tráth bhímse gan chéill
Tá cailín in Inis is cailín i gClár,
I gCoradh na Finne tá an cailín deas fionn
When I go to Rathkeal and I stand in the square
Tá cailín in Eochaill is is eolach dom í,
There's one from Askeaton and one from the Pike The verses in Irish are in a similar vein, speaking of all the lovely colleens (cailín) in various towns. QUESTION: Can anyone help establish dates for different versions of this song? For instance when was: An Claisceadal IX, 9 published, what source and date did Colm O'Loughlin have for The Limerick Rake, and what other early sources are there for this song in English or in Irish? |
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29 Jul 02 - 01:07 PM (#756458) Subject: RE: Irish song Limerik rake From: Paddy Plastique The phrase 'fágaimid siúd mar atá sé!' also appears at the end of another great song 'The Wife of the Bold Tenant Farmer'. Sorry - too lazy and afraid of my slow internet access to look for it on the DT at the moment - worth tracking down though.
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29 Jul 02 - 01:13 PM (#756460) Subject: RE: Irish song Limerik rake From: OldPossum The Limerick Rake is indeed in the DT -
here.
Related thread: http://www.mudcat.org/thread.cfm?threadid=17493.
THE LIMERICK RAKE: The tune is An Caitin Bán. The words are from a printed balladsheet of the last century. Another version is called The Galbally farmer.John Loesberg's last comment ties in nicely with the Related thread I mention above.
The Prof's pages mentioned in Philippa's post is again quite identical to Loesberg's version (again with occasional typing errors - but at least they are different typing errors :-). The "Prof" has even copied John Loesberg's suggested guitar chords. |
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30 Jul 02 - 05:34 AM (#756820) Subject: RE: Irish song Limerik rake From: Declan Philippa, O Lochlainn cites his Mother who came from Limerick as the source of the tune and some words. The words he published seem to have been a composite version from a number of sources including the Journal of the (English) Folk song society and from ballad sheets. He also quotes some lines from his Grandfather who died in 1890. No other dates given in the notes. Its in the first volume of his book which I think was frist published in the 1930s. Christy Moore's version of the song is on his first solo LP after leaving Planxty which is simply called Christy Moore (c 1974). He may have re-recorded it for North & South which was a much later album - I'm not sure. |
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30 Jul 02 - 04:00 PM (#757101) Subject: RE: Irish song Limerick rake From: GUEST,Philippa Thanks Declan. I think the version that "everybody" sings and publishes nowadays is as O'Loughlin published it. Have you got any information on dates of "An Claisceadal" publication? |
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30 Jul 02 - 06:13 PM (#757161) Subject: RE: Irish song Limerik rake From: MartinRyan I think I've seen the "An Claisceadal" series in the Irish Traditional Music Archive. I'll check the dates when I get a chance. Regards |
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30 Jul 02 - 06:27 PM (#757168) Subject: RE: Irish song Limerik rake From: MartinRyan 1936. At least, that's the date on the book edition in ITMA. Originally, they were published on single sheets and sold at a penny each. I have most of them - but not, inevitably, An Caitín Bán. The editor, BTW, was, again, Colm O Lochlainn. Seamus Ennis set the music, as far as I know. Regards |
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30 Jul 02 - 06:33 PM (#757173) Subject: RE: Irish song Limerik rake From: Coyote Breath I hate to ask this! Could some kind soul point me to a phonetic version of "Agus fagaimid siud mar ata se"? (I would say: A-gus fah-guy-mid sigh-ud mar atta see.)I would like very much to find a clear description of Irish pronunciation. I am at a loss, entirely, to understand why Irish is so hard to pronounce. It seems to me to be because the Roman alphabet and English "pronunciation rules" are employed. It is like reading Lakota only it is much more difficult to grasp the "rules". Was Irish a written language before the Roman alphabet? Cherokee has it's own letters for certain sounds, does Irish? CB |
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31 Jul 02 - 05:17 AM (#757412) Subject: RE: Irish song Limerik rake From: Declan Og-gus fawg-wim-eed shoed(shoe as in footwear) mar athaw shay. There are different ways of pronouncing Irish depending on which dialect you speak (ie which part of the country you are from or learned to speak Irish in). There was a Gaelic script before the roman alphabet and this was taught in Irish schools until there was a standardisation on roman type and standardised spelling which came in in the late 50s early 60s. In fact once you get to know the various sounds, Irish is more consistent to pronounce than english is - there aren't anomalies in pronouncing words like bough, tough, and ought. Its also harder to pronounce if the accents (fadas) are omitted, as they often are in typed prose or here on the internet. |
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01 Aug 02 - 04:08 AM (#757954) Subject: RE: Irish song Limerik rake From: GUEST,barbie_thirteen@hotmail.com Would love the words to the old song off O! Danny Boy
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21 May 03 - 04:12 PM (#957193) Subject: RE: Limerick Rake , Fagaimid siúd mar atá sé From: Felipa (there are other threads for Danny boy, Barbie - I hope you found what you were looking for) There's a version of the Galbally Farmer called "The Spalpeen's Complaint or The Cranbally Farmer" in the PW Joyce Collection of Old Irish Music and Songs (published 1909). The tune is almost the same as the one I know to the Wife of the Bold Tenant Farmer, but without a chorus. See it at the Galbally Farmer thread Joyce says this is the tune of Fagaimid siúd mar atá sé It's not the tune most of us know for the Limerick Rake (and newer songs such as MacColl's Champion at Keeping them Rolling and Paxton's High Sheriff of Hazard) |
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23 May 03 - 11:41 AM (#958236) Subject: RE: Irish song Limerik rake From: Brían I know this is probably not scholarly information but Dominic Behan in his book Ireland Sings says that the tune he uses for his song THE SEA AROUND US(The sea, oh the sea is the grádh geal mo chroí) is the the old melody of 'S FÁGAIMID SIÚD MAR ATÁ SÉ, I am assuming this is THE LIMERICK RAKE. I was listening to a recording of a set of jigs by The St. Peter Ceili Band on a CD titled Celtic Ceili. One of the jigs is named THEW GALBALLY. it is the same melody that Dominic used for his song. Is this also the tune you know THE BOLD TENANT FARMER, Felipa? Brían |
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23 May 03 - 04:38 PM (#958384) Subject: RE: Irish song Limerick rake From: Felipa The tune I know for the Bold Tenant Farmer is on a ClancyBros recording, and - minus the chorus - in PW Joyce for the Cranbally farmer (see MMario's abc in Galbally farmer thread, link above). The tune I know for the Sea Around Us is as recorded by the Johnstons; I would need to check Dominic's book (next time I go to the library)to see what tune he published with the lyrics Note that there is another thread specifally called "Tune of 'Limerick Rake'" Perhaps Brian and I should copy these last two messages onto that thread and continue the discussion there? |
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24 May 03 - 01:12 PM (#958733) Subject: RE: Irish song Limerik rake From: Brían The discussion regarding the last two postings has now moved here. Brían |
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04 Oct 06 - 11:10 PM (#1850704) Subject: RE: Irish song Limerick rake From: GUEST,Mitch man all i got to say is how can it get any cooler than this guy in the song. this guy is a character |
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02 Sep 09 - 10:58 AM (#2714571) Subject: RE: Irish song Limerick rake From: GUEST,Marie What does Rake mean as in the " The Rakes of Mallow" |
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02 Sep 09 - 11:31 AM (#2714606) Subject: RE: Irish song Limerick rake From: Midchuck What does Rake mean as in the " The Rakes of Mallow" I always assumed it meant a guy who would f..., I mean, "have carnal knowledge of," anything from a sow to a bishop, and did. Peter |
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02 Sep 09 - 11:38 AM (#2714610) Subject: RE: Irish song Limerick rake From: Midchuck Note, also, that E. McColl used the melody for "Champion At Keepin' 'Em Rolling". Then Ian Robb wrote a parody of THAT song, called "Champion At Drivin' 'Em Crazy". And it goes on and on... Peter |