21 Mar 00 - 12:25 AM (#198476) Subject: Glossary of Scottish Words From: John in Brisbane Full Scots Glossary This may ultimately become a useful resource for Mudcatters who wish to understand Scottish song lyrics, and was prompted by recent discussions about FAQ's for newcomers. For the sake of reasonable brevity I have posted the A-C section only. I have longer term hopes of expanding it somewhat to include dialect beyond Scottish, maybe even Australian. A Glossary of about 5,000 words/terms is probably achievable over the next year or two. In the meantime I would appreciate advice as to the best place to house it. Regards, John
PS I'm not emotionally ready to accept detailed reports of errors and omissions just yet, and certainly not in this forum. Please do so via a personal message if you care to add or discuss fine detail. A Glossary of Scottish Words
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11 Apr 00 - 03:39 PM (#210207) Subject: RE: Glossary of Scottish Words From: Joe Offer Whew!!! Posting this took about three hours, and a number of computer crashes. I think it's all working OK now, both in MSIE and Netscape. Good work, John! -Joe Offer- |
11 Apr 00 - 11:35 PM (#210430) Subject: RE: Glossary of Scottish Words From: John in Brisbane Thanks for your hard work Joe! When you return we'll need to revise the A-C which is somewhat more complete than my earliest posting. The revision was included in the file I sent you late last night. Once that's done the glossary will be about 7,000 Scots words. Regards, John |
14 Apr 00 - 10:17 PM (#212043) Subject: RE: Glossary of Scottish Words From: Joe Offer I think what's posted now is John's complete glossary, but I've asked John to proofread to make sure it's all OK. After that, I'll delete or move the messages that are between the sections of the glossary. -Joe Offer- |
15 Apr 00 - 02:37 AM (#212130) Subject: RE: Glossary of Scottish Words From: GUEST,Murray on Saltspring Good work, but I'm puzzled by the inclusion of things like "leak, seem, send, sent" which are not Scotticisms. Also: "cloot" represents the English "clout" (pr. clowt), = cloth; while "clout" (pr. clowt) = blow, hit, strike etc. "Dang " is the preterite of "ding", so = "struck", "belted" you might say. "Ding" however means more than "strike"; as in the phrase (motto) "Dunse dings a'," it means "surpasses", "beats" in the metaphorical sense. More comments maybe once I digest this. But it's a real accomplishment all the same. |
15 Apr 00 - 04:47 AM (#212144) Subject: RE: Glossary of Scottish Words From: Joe Offer Netscape has a problem with this glossary that I can't figure out - the "go" buttons from Max's dropdown menus and a "reply box" appear at places in the middle of the page, as well as at their appropriate locations. Anybody know why, and does anybody know how I can eliminate the problem? It seems to work OK with MSIE 5.0. Thanks. -Joe Offer- |
29 Sep 00 - 10:32 AM (#308150) Subject: RE: Glossary of Scottish Words From: Robby Whew! And I thought the glossary at the end of The Ballad Book, MacEdward Leach, Harper & Row, New York, N.Y. (1955), was extensive. I didn't think my printer would ever stop. An extraordinary effort. |
29 Sep 00 - 08:12 PM (#308590) Subject: RE: Glossary of Scottish Words From: John in Brisbane Hi Murray, I won't pretend to be a linguist nor an expert on Scottish music, so if there are words herein of doubtful paretage I apologise - I simply scraped and scanned and collated anythong I could find which I thought may have helped Mudcatters to appreciate. I feel a bit guilty sometimes when I see bitsy translations in song collections and I don't incorporate them in the Glossary, but the truth is I doubt that I'll ever get the energy to try this again. Robby, I'd always envisaged that users could save this thread as a HTML file or text file to use as a reference, but I guess once you've printed it you'll have it forever. From imperfect memory there are almost 7,000 lines of reference. Regards, John |
28 Aug 01 - 06:17 AM (#536625) Subject: RE: Glossary of Scottish Words From: JohnInKansas I found a request from Joe Offer for a way to reduce the size of this file here: HTML PRACTICE I'm not sure whether I have anything working here, but: The glossary information here is about 14,841 paragraphs when set up as a table. Word Tools - Wordcount shows 6,669 paragraphs when converted to straight text. If I interpret what is here, each entry consists of a "Word" with "Word Variants" and a definition, in three columns. If this is changed from a column layout (table^#041; to a text line of: Word (variants): Definition there is a slight saving in character count, since you don't need the table element and table row declarations. Potentially, the change in format could reduce the file size to about a third of what is needed to post as a table(?)
Attempting to download this entire thread crashed my rather wimpy machine several times, requiring considerable reboot, disk cleanup, delete temps, etc., but I think I got all of the glossary that is listed in the thread. This is apparently only a small piece of what is in the whole thing. |
28 Aug 01 - 06:29 AM (#536628) Subject: RE: Glossary of Scottish Words From: JohnInKansas Looks like I only got through with part of it Probably a time-out on the connection. Word count on the part that came through shows about 56KB transmitted. I will refrain from sending more now, pending comments on whether this is really an improvement. Any experts looking in? John I deleted John's partial glossary because it made the thread too hard to load. However, I think it would be a good idea to have a text version of the glossary in another thread. -Joe Offer- |
28 Aug 01 - 04:19 PM (#536917) Subject: RE: Glossary of Scottish Words From: CRANKY YANKEE Doesn't "Heelster Gowdie" mean "Helter Skelter"? The crank |
30 Aug 01 - 08:47 AM (#538039) Subject: RE: Glossary of Scottish Words From: Abby Sale "Heelster Gowdie" = Heels over head (topsy-turvey) |
30 Aug 01 - 09:20 AM (#538056) Subject: RE: Glossary of Scottish Words From: Abby Sale Crowdie = pot cheese (ie, small curd cottage cheese) I once watched it made in Ballantrushal, Isle of Lewis. |
09 Sep 01 - 03:11 PM (#545785) Subject: Help re: 'banƒters' From: Abby Sale What with today being the anniversary of the battle at Flodden-Field, September 9, 1513, I thought I'd sing "floo'ers of the forest." So I'm looking at the 4th of the "usually sung six verses," ie. # 20 in Herd (1769). (Actually this verse is rarely sung, too.) The data base Floo'ers gives that Hickerson implies it on Drive Dull II but he doesn't, actually. Anyway the DT misprints one word & naturally, that's the single word in the song I can't gloss. The verse is: In herƒt at the ƒhearing nae younkers are jeering:It's 'bansters' in the second line I hope someone can help with. I don't find this or anything similar in any of my glosseries or dictionaries, including Herd's own. I did find in Herd "bangster" and I've a feeling he's misprinted the word in the song - I haven't accidented across 'bangster' in any other Herd songs. "Bangstrie," as all will know, is one of the charges leveled against MacPherson just before he Lamented ans hanged. FYI, since I have them right here, other words in that verse would be: herƒt = harvest Thanks for the advice. |
10 Sep 01 - 04:31 AM (#546047) Subject: RE: Glossary of Scottish Words From: GUEST,guest Jackie A few weeks ago I asked John Moulden to track down a few words for me that are Ulster/Scot. A few of the words (quite a lot actually) have been printed above. Good work John. I have also heard that there is a book published to cover the Ulster/Scots dialect though sorry to say I have forgotten who by. John Moulden who writes here at times may be able to help you there if you are interested. It may make all your hard work a little easier. Keep up the good work. Jackie |
10 Sep 01 - 05:29 AM (#546074) Subject: RE: Glossary of Scottish Words From: katlaughing Fantastic work, JohninB. Thanks, very much! kat |
05 Nov 03 - 05:53 PM (#1048685) Subject: RE: Glossary of Scottish Words From: Q (Frank Staplin) ^^Bandster: 1794, in Ritson, Scot. Songs, II. "The bandsters are runkled, lyart and grey." A Bandster is one who binds sheaves after reapers. 1863, Tom Taylor. "Onward press the shearers, the bansters come behind." Both quotes from The Oxford English Dictionary. I wouldn't doubt that both spellings were used. |
05 Nov 03 - 06:28 PM (#1048724) Subject: RE: Glossary of Scottish Words From: Strupag Jings! |
05 Nov 03 - 06:53 PM (#1048744) Subject: RE: Glossary of Scottish Words From: Joe Offer Using the posts above as a base, Pene Azul designed our Scots Glossary. It's available on the QuickLinks dropdown menu that you'll find on most Mudcat pages. I added "bandster" to the glossary. Other submissions are welcome. Post them here, or send me a personal message or e-mail. -Joe Offer- joe@mudcat.org |
06 Nov 03 - 12:30 PM (#1049264) Subject: RE: Glossary of Scottish Words From: GUEST,noddy The things people post just to claim the record of the BIGGEST POSTING ...EVER !!! Well Done. |
06 Nov 03 - 02:07 PM (#1049349) Subject: RE: Glossary of Scottish Words From: Reiver 2 This is absolutely FANTASTIC!! Many thanks to all who've worked so hard on this. Your efforts are much appreciated. Reiver 2 |
24 Feb 07 - 01:05 PM (#1978094) Subject: RE: Glossary of Scottish Words From: GUEST,remore Roup (Pronounced rowp) - a public auction Rookit - no money left Bowlie - morning break (bowl of tea) Lousin time (pronounced louwsin) - the end of the day's work Yokin time - the beginning of the days work Lairage - holding area for cattle (in an abattoir) Cock Pheasant - a mechanical hay turner |
25 Feb 07 - 06:38 AM (#1978687) Subject: RE: Glossary of Scottish Words From: masato sakurai The Dictionary of the Scots Language is the most comprehensive. The Dictionary of the Scots Language (DSL) comprises electronic editions of the two major historical dictionaries of the Scots language: the 12-volume Dictionary of the Older Scottish Tongue (DOST) and the 10-volume Scottish National Dictionary (SND). DOST contains information about Scots words in use from the twelfth to the end of the seventeenth centuries (Older Scots); and SND contains information about Scots words in use from 1700 to the 1970s (modern Scots). Together these 22 volumes provide a comprehensive history of Scots, and a New Supplement now (2005) brings the record of the language up to date. These are therefore essential research tools for anyone interested in the history of either Scots or English language, and for historical or literary scholars whose sources are written in Scots or may contain Scots usages. |
25 Feb 07 - 07:02 AM (#1978699) Subject: RE: Glossary of Scottish Words From: Rusty Dobro Wonderful! Loved the definition of 'piller'- scope for some transatlantic confusion, I feel! One Glasgow drunk to another, peering in the baker's window:'Is that a doughnut or a meringue?' Second ditto: 'Nae, you're right enough, it's a doughnut!' I'll get my plaid..... |
05 Feb 09 - 07:27 PM (#2558484) Subject: RE: Glossary of Scottish Words From: GUEST,Scotty Not comprehensive yet, but entertaining. Scottish words translated, defined and illustrated with a cartoon. Worth a visit and growing each week. Scottish Words Illustrataed at http://www.stooryduster.co.uk Cheers All the best |
13 Apr 09 - 06:09 PM (#2610481) Subject: RE: Glossary of Scottish Words From: GUEST Galoot |
14 Apr 09 - 06:34 AM (#2610806) Subject: RE: Glossary of Scottish Words From: Vic Smith masato sakurai wrote (Two years ago!) The Dictionary of the Scots Language is the most comprehensive. It is but I have never found it to be particularly user-friendly as an on-line resource. My first port of call is to go to my shelves (Does anybody remember dictionaries in book form?) and reach for The Scots Dialect Dictionary Compiled by Alexander Warrack MA ISBN 9 781902407098 published by Waverley Books. However, you won't find words in it that are derived from Scots Traveller Cant ("galoot" for example) so you would need a separate list for that. The best list that I know for those is in the long-out-of-print Victorian book "History of The Gypsies" by Simson. |
28 Aug 10 - 12:28 AM (#2974406) Subject: RE: Glossary of Scottish Words From: LadyJean You don't have "redd up" meaning clean up. We use it in Western Pennsylvania too. We also say slippy, instead of slippery. Neb is used in Western PA, but it means an inquisitive person. Nebby, however, means nosey. |
28 Aug 10 - 04:41 AM (#2974458) Subject: RE: Glossary of Scottish Words From: Gutcher A nebby person hereabouts {ie.) S.W. Scotland, is a sharp sarcastic person. Joe. |
17 Dec 11 - 02:59 PM (#3275547) Subject: RE: Glossary of Scottish Words (PermaThread) From: Joe Offer
Using the posts above as a base, Pene Azul designed our Scots Glossary. It's available on the QuickLinks dropdown menu that you'll find on most Mudcat pages. I added "bandster" to the glossary. Other submissions are welcome. Post them here, or send me a personal message or e-mail. Thanks to John in Brisbane for creating this glossary. John died in 2005. May he rest in peace. -Joe Offer- 17 Dec 2011- joe@mudcat.org |