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28 Mar 00 - 02:52 PM (#202759) Subject: Cyril Tawney From: GUEST,radriano Anyone out there know how I can get in touch with Cyril Tawney? I would like to get his permission to record a song he composed. I've surfed the Internet but have not been able to get an address for him yet. Thanks, radriano Cyril Tawney Home Page |
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28 Mar 00 - 04:51 PM (#202833) Subject: RE: Cyril Tawney From: Jack The Lad Here is Cyril Tawney's address( or was in 1994) Neptune, 521 Meanwood Road, Leeds LS6 4AW UK Tel (0)532 751489 Jack The Lad (jaclad@canaan.co.il) |
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28 Mar 00 - 04:52 PM (#202834) Subject: RE: Cyril Tawney From: Dave (the ancient mariner) Cyrils address is 521 Meanwood Road Leeds LS6 4A, England Tel:0532751489..Unless he moved away its an old addy.. Yours,Aye. Dave |
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28 Mar 00 - 04:57 PM (#202839) Subject: RE: Cyril Tawney From: Margo Do you really need permission? Don't you just record it and then pay the royalties? As I understand it, going strictly by the law, the royalty isn't due until the sale is made. But the recording musicians I know just send off a check for royalties when the CD's are made: .07 per song per CD. So if only one song is used on the CD then you'd send off a check for $70.00 for a thousand CD's. At least, I think that's right here in the US. Margo |
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28 Mar 00 - 04:57 PM (#202840) Subject: RE: Cyril Tawney From: bill\sables Hi Radiano, Cyril is not on line he says he is not into that sort of thing but if you email his drinking partner, Graham Binless he will be able to get a message to him Graham is at click here Cheers Bill |
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28 Mar 00 - 07:19 PM (#202921) Subject: RE: Cyril Tawney From: GUEST Thanks for all the quick responses to my inquiry about Cyril Tawny. You are all much appreciated. Cheers, radriano |
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15 Apr 00 - 06:10 PM (#212391) Subject: RE: Cyril Tawney From: GUEST,Glen in Gloucestershire Hi radriano, Many thanks for getting those words to me so rapidly, you surley are The Finest! As for Cyril Tawney, well like me he was a Plymouth Man many years ago and was a great inspiration to the folk world in that part of the country. I believe I still sing a song or two of his, and somewhere in the depths of my musty cassette collection there lays one of his LPs, I've also got one of his Lps in my vinyl pile too! If you want to hear it I could bang it off to you! It'll have to be by Snail Mail tho - as I'm not a "tecky" All the best Cheers, Glen. Glen@cadsonbury.cix.co.uk
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16 Apr 00 - 08:27 AM (#212587) Subject: RE: Cyril Tawney From: Richard Bridge In UK to record contact MCPS (Mechanical COpyright Protection SOciety) - phone book South London somewhere |
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16 Apr 00 - 08:42 AM (#212594) Subject: RE: Cyril Tawney From: The Shambles I would like to say thanks for introducing so many songs that so many people sing, who have no idea that Cyril was responsible for writing. It is a compliment to him that the songs have fallen so seemlessly into the 'tradition'. Maybe be he could be given some recognition in this thread? |
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01 Dec 02 - 09:56 PM (#838594) Subject: RE: Cyril Tawney From: Joe Offer Somebody mentioned Stanley the Rat in a thread, and that motivated me to cross-index all our Cyril Tawney threads and songs. I'll probably remove some for them from the group, but I thought it might be fun for all of you to see what we have. For me, Cyril Tawney was one of the high points of Whitby Folk Week this year, and I made a point to see him several times during the week. I did not know in advance that he was going to be there, and I had no idea what to expect. I saw him first during a children's concert, and he was delightful. He's like an overgrown elf, with a perpetual twinkle in his eye. -Joe Offer- |
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02 Dec 02 - 02:46 AM (#838679) Subject: RE: Cyril Tawney From: Boab Did "Sammy's Bar" and "Sally" with my wee group at an old folks home this afternoon! And d'ye know something ---Cyril really WAS "a LEAN and Unwashed Tiffy"! |
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02 Dec 02 - 04:06 AM (#838699) Subject: RE: Cyril Tawney From: Morticia My favourite song writer with the possible exception of Richard Thompson and as kind as could be when I asked for permission to record Sally Free and Easy on the Mudcat cd series. |
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02 Dec 02 - 04:17 AM (#838703) Subject: RE: Cyril Tawney From: Hrothgar Dunno if Cyril was lean. |
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02 Dec 02 - 04:42 AM (#838711) Subject: RE: Cyril Tawney From: Dave Bryant I've seen pictures of Cyril when he was a "Tiffy" (Naval Articifer - electrician) and he was lean in those days - I don't know how well washed he was though. Cyril's a lovely bloke - I think he's probably written more wonderful songs than anyone else in the "Folk Revival". How many times do you go to a good singaround without hearing "Chicken on a Raft", "Grey Funnel Line", "Sammy's Bar", "Five Foot Flirt", or any of his other songs performed ? Even Tom Lewis had to admit "Cyril said it all before". |
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02 Dec 02 - 05:15 AM (#838723) Subject: RE: Cyril Tawney From: breezy Dear Rad, have you got in touch with him? as I booked him at my club recently and I have his address, he left Leeds long ago |
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02 Dec 02 - 06:20 AM (#838743) Subject: RE: Cyril Tawney From: graham_t Cyrils apparently now in Exeter. Homepage http://homepage.ntlworld.com/guestlist/cyril.tawney/ Gives booking details, biog, recording and book sales etc |
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02 Dec 02 - 09:56 AM (#838835) Subject: RE: Cyril Tawney From: bradfordian Rosemary Tawney 10 Sivell Place, Heavitree, Exeter, EX2 5ET. England Tel. 01392 - 426055 EMAIL: tawney@britishlibrary.net click here |
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02 Dec 02 - 11:31 AM (#838888) Subject: RE: Cyril Tawney From: radriano I originally posted this thread in March of 2000. Thanks to all - yes, I did reach Cyril Tawney. He was very helpful and quite generous. Hope to meet him in person one day. |
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02 Dec 02 - 04:32 PM (#839091) Subject: RE: Cyril Tawney From: Harry Basnett Cyril's brother, Archie, is a regular at our club at the Bull's Head in Failsworth. Eighty-two years old and a lovely bloke.... |
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02 Dec 02 - 06:41 PM (#839184) Subject: RE: Cyril Tawney From: greg stephens There is reputed to be a tape of Bob Dylan singing Sally Free and Easy, recorded when he was in London in 1962 filming Mad House in Castle Street. can't say Ive ever heard it though, or met anyone else who has. Anybody heard this story? |
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02 Dec 02 - 07:34 PM (#839229) Subject: RE: Cyril Tawney From: breezy so Cyril may have some mileage left then, He packed em in the Moorland Folk Club recently, finished at 1 3o at the St Albans Club |
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03 Dec 02 - 01:38 AM (#839441) Subject: RE: Cyril Tawney From: Boab Hi, Hrothgar---I have a Tawney song book bought from the Man Himself 'way back in '81 [I know , cos he signed it for me.] The cover has photographs depicting , maybe not unwashed, but definitely a "lean" tiffy! He wasn't lean by '81, mind you! |
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06 Dec 02 - 04:03 PM (#842573) Subject: RE: Cyril Tawney From: Susanne (skw) Thanks for explaining tiffy, Dave! There are two more intriguing problems hidden on 'Navy Cuts' (on my copy, at least): Tracks 15 and 16, which are not listed, and which, for want of better titles, I call 'In the Doorway' and 'Sorrow Is My Stock-in-trade'. They were most probably written - certainly sung - by Cyril, but why aren't they listed, and what are they called? Any help? |
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07 Dec 02 - 01:15 AM (#842858) Subject: RE: Cyril Tawney From: michaelr ...and just what is a grey funnel line? Cheers, Michael |
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07 Dec 02 - 02:27 AM (#842875) Subject: RE: Cyril Tawney From: Wincing Devil "Grey Funnel Line" is slang for the Royal Navy |
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08 Dec 02 - 07:22 PM (#843542) Subject: RE: Cyril Tawney From: Susanne (skw) Refresh! What about those two extra tracks on 'Navy Cuts'? |
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09 Dec 02 - 11:17 AM (#843852) Subject: RE: Cyril Tawney From: Dave Bryant The proper title of "Sorrow Is My Stock-in-trade" is, I think, "Reunion". The story is about an ex-naval man who has had to give up drinking for medical reasons. He's bumped into an old navy friend who asks him if he'll be coming to the next service reunion. The song basically says that there's no point in him going because everyone else will be drinking and everything will seem so banal to him as he has to remain sober. It's one of Cyril's most moving songs. I have heard that Cyril wrote it about himself - but he still seems to have the odd drink. I'm not sure about "In the Doorway" - is it the one about the drunken seaman on shore leave ? Another of Cyril's songs "New names for old" puzzles some people. It's based on the fact that Ewan MacColl arranged for Alex Campbell to go through a marriage of convenience to Peggy Seeger, so that she could stay in the UK, while he was obtaining his divorce from Joan Littlewood. After Cyril left the navy, he ran a weekly folk programme on west country radio. He used to try and write a new song for each week. Songs like "In the sidings now" were written at this time - and some of them might have been forgotten if fans hadn't refreshed his memory. I can also remember that many years ago (I think during the 60s) there were several benefit concerts for Cyril, because he had been diagnosed as having Parkinson's Disease. Happily the diagnosis turned out to be wrong. |
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09 Dec 02 - 11:52 AM (#843888) Subject: RE: Cyril Tawney From: Noreen Susanne, for many years, Navy Cuts was only available on audio tape. Eventually Cyril gave in to pressure to make his songs available on CD, so Navy Cuts was transferred (only in the last year or so?) to CD. More space available on the CD enabled them to add the extra two tracks, but they didn't change the track listing from the tape. This what you wanted? |
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09 Dec 02 - 03:02 PM (#843999) Subject: RE: Cyril Tawney From: Keith A of Hertford In The Doorway is called The Drunken Sailor on my cassette. Lean And Unwashed Tiffy comes from a line in Shakespear..."Yonder comes another lean and unwashed artificer" If she'd had wings I'd have kissed her flying, Keith. |
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09 Dec 02 - 03:16 PM (#844007) Subject: RE: Cyril Tawney From: RoyH (Burl) Friends, if you haven't got this CD then go get it straight away. Listen to one of the master songwriters of the revival. Burl |
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09 Dec 02 - 07:27 PM (#844175) Subject: RE: Cyril Tawney From: Susanne (skw) Thanks t' y' all! It seems, though, those tracks were left out for a different reason (oversight?), as they seem to be listed on the cassette. Keith, are there any notes with it? |
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10 Dec 02 - 12:12 PM (#844641) Subject: RE: Cyril Tawney From: Keith A of Hertford Susanne, here is what I have on the Doorway song. 1954 It is pay night in Plymouth, Portsmouth, Chatham,or anywhere similar. You are in a bar. Suddenly, silently, a lone matelot appears in the doorway. Listen on from there. Not much action, I'm afraid, and it's all over in seconds without a word being spoken, but it was a common enough sight once a fortnight back in the days of large fleets, uniforms ashore, plentiful sailors' bars and strong, gas-free beer. |
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10 Dec 02 - 02:18 PM (#844744) Subject: RE: Cyril Tawney From: Keith A of Hertford Oh, and now Reunion. 1980 Seeking a divorce from My Lady Alcohol on medical grounds leads above all to a social dilemma. The problem's universal, of course, not purely naval, but it's especially familiar to former long-service RN personnel, and one reason why chaps have to give up attending those reunions. |
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10 Dec 02 - 02:25 PM (#844750) Subject: RE: Cyril Tawney From: Keith A of Hertford My tape is a 1999 one called Sally Free And Easy |
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11 Dec 02 - 07:30 PM (#845592) Subject: RE: Cyril Tawney From: Susanne (skw) That was really nice of you - many thanks! |
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09 Aug 07 - 10:12 AM (#2122460) Subject: Diesel and Shale. From: GUEST,Neil Denholm I remember the lads singing that song in 1980. Was Syril on O boats? neildenholm@hotmail.com |
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20 Oct 19 - 11:52 PM (#4014625) Subject: RE: Cyril Tawney's Estate From: GUEST,Daniel Hello! Opening up an ancient thread here. I am looking to get in touch with Cyril's estate/whomever holds the rights to his songs. I know Rosemary and Archie have both sadly passed on, so I'm not sure who the next bet would be... I'm putting together a book of sea shanties with lyrics and notation, and was wanting to include a couple of Cyril's songs. Having a bit of trouble finding the right person to email. If anyone has any information I would greatly appreciate it! Please email daniel@danielbornstein.com. Much obliged! |
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21 Oct 19 - 04:47 AM (#4014636) Subject: RE: Cyril Tawney From: The Sandman I do know that his early publications were called gwyneth publications, gwyneth might still be alive and might know, gwyneth i believe was a daughter of a friend of Cyril, the other option is to contact performing rights |
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21 Oct 19 - 06:11 AM (#4014644) Subject: RE: Cyril Tawney From: GUEST,Derek Schofield Daniel Ask Doc Rowe. docrowe.org.uk Derek |
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23 Oct 19 - 05:40 AM (#4014973) Subject: RE: Cyril Tawney From: GUEST,Daniel Thanks so much guys! I will contact Doc Rowe. I was also in touch with the Vaughan Williams library, who hold all of his recordings, I believe. They said that Gwyneth was bought out by Universal, so I don't like the odds of ever getting permission. It's beginning to look like this book will be trad only... In any case, thanks guys! |
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26 Oct 19 - 03:40 AM (#4015428) Subject: RE: Cyril Tawney From: The Sandman if you are putting together a book of sea songs,perhaps you should contact Richard Grainger and Tom Lewis and also bob watson who wrote southern ocean |
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27 Oct 19 - 11:47 AM (#4015676) Subject: RE: Cyril Tawney From: GUEST,Eddie Cyril always used to stay with me when he was on tour in Scotland. I let him hear this on a cassette by Lonnie! Cyril loved it, even played it to Rosemary over the telephone! She reckoned Lonnie had never paid any royalties so got into action pretty quick! Sammy's Bar sung by Lonnie Donegan |
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27 Nov 21 - 12:01 AM (#4127332) Subject: RE: Cyril Tawney From: The Sandman well well Idid not realise lonnie was such a good singer, he does a fine job on it |
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27 Nov 21 - 06:39 AM (#4127343) Subject: RE: Cyril Tawney From: GUEST,Another version (by Stan Rogers) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qbuEjo1OUxE Seems good too, a bit more how Cyril would do it. |
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30 Nov 21 - 05:04 AM (#4127611) Subject: RE: Cyril Tawney From: GUEST,jim bainbridge Cyril Tawney was the first guest of the Beacon folk club in South Shields in late 1963. The club moved to the Marsden Inn in 1964, and in 1988 Cyril became its honoured guest for the 25th anniversary in 1988, as part of a celebration weekend. He started his night by saying how good it was to be 'back in the Jimnasium' -explanation- four residents were club founder Jim Sharp, the late lamented Jims Irvine and Boyles, and myself. |