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15 May 00 - 02:24 AM (#228103) Subject: 'GIRLIE' SONG LYRICS WANTED From: GUEST,Baba Has anyone noticed many of the folk and traditional lyrics pages on the web contain very little in the way of songs by women or in the female voice? Perhaps I am "visiting" the wrong pages. Could you knowledgeable folk perhaps point me to a few good sources of lyrics, as my red little fingers are all typed out with the searching! THANK YOU. |
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15 May 00 - 02:35 AM (#228105) Subject: RE: 'GIRLIE' SONG LYRICS WANTED From: alison Welcome to Mudcat.. you are in the right place, there have been many threads on songs that are good for women to sing...... if you go to the main forum page and use the filter box.... type "female" or "women" in the filter box and set the age to 3 years... you will get the titles of many threads you can then look through and see sugestions... I'm sure more people will jump in and give you suggestions slainte alison
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15 May 00 - 02:40 AM (#228106) Subject: RE: 'GIRLIE' SONG LYRICS WANTED From: alison here's the most recent thread..... slainte alison |
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15 May 00 - 02:50 AM (#228109) Subject: RE: 'GIRLIE' SONG LYRICS WANTED From: GUEST,Baba Oh, thank you Alison for your help and your welcome. I am thrilled to bits. Wonderful! *BABA* |
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15 May 00 - 03:00 AM (#228111) Subject: RE: 'GIRLIE' SONG LYRICS WANTED From: alison No problem Baba... it's the middle of the night in the US but I'm sure once they wake up again they'll give you heaps of help...... so check back every so often.... it's a great site with lots of friendly, helpful people... slainte alison |
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15 May 00 - 09:57 AM (#228179) Subject: RE: 'GIRLIE' SONG LYRICS WANTED From: Midchuck You might want to buy Tom Russell's "Song of the West" CD just to get "Hallie Lonigan," even though a guy wrote it...
"Alone with two young kids to raise, out on the western plains .......................
Then I married for convenience' sake, a trader from in town, Peter. |
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15 May 00 - 10:48 AM (#228207) Subject: RE: 'GIRLIE' SONG LYRICS WANTED From: George Seto - af221@chebucto.ns.ca Many of the OLD songs (many of them Child Ballads), Wraggle Taggle Gypsy for one, were written from the women's point of view. Look up Contemplator Web-site for many of those old Child Ballad material. It should be on the Help one up on top of the main Mudcat Screen? |
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15 May 00 - 10:48 AM (#228208) Subject: RE: 'GIRLIE' SONG LYRICS WANTED From: George Seto - af221@chebucto.ns.ca Quick Links is the name for those. |
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15 May 00 - 11:10 AM (#228218) Subject: RE: 'GIRLIE' SONG LYRICS WANTED From: Mbo Sometimes I get sad 'cause so many great songs are in a female voice, so I, as a guy, don't get to sing them...I was wondering...in British Isles folk music it's highly common to hear women singing songs from a man's point of view....how approriate do you think it is going the other way? 'Cause I'd REALLY like to sing "Anachie Gordon"! --Mbo |
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15 May 00 - 11:32 AM (#228227) Subject: RE: 'GIRLIE' SONG LYRICS WANTED From: Gary T I don't know that particular song, Mbo, but here are some general thoughts. Explain that the song is so good you have to sing it, regardless of its point of view. If appropriate, you could throw out a humorous line, like "I used to sing this before my sex-change operation" or "just imagine me in hose and heels, with a curvier figure". You may find no introduction/explanation is needed at all. Generally the audience will catch on that the song's narrator is female and that you are male, and make the necessary psychological adjustment. |
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15 May 00 - 11:44 AM (#228233) Subject: RE: 'GIRLIE' SONG LYRICS WANTED From: dick greenhaus Mbo- This business about which gender is singing which song is a firly new (and pretty silly) concern. I've heard many men sing "women's" songs and vice versa; if they're good, they work, if they're not, they don't. Sing what you want to. |
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15 May 00 - 11:53 AM (#228234) Subject: RE: 'GIRLIE' SONG LYRICS WANTED From: SINSULL BABA, Check out lyrics to Civil War Songs. About half are mothers, sisters and wives singing about their men gone to war or lost altogether. Faded Coat of Blue They Drafted Him into the Army, etc. |
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15 May 00 - 12:45 PM (#228258) Subject: RE: 'GIRLIE' SONG LYRICS WANTED From: McGrath of Harlow I've heard Anachie Gordon as often sung by men as women, I'd say.
Dick Greenhaus is(of course)quite right. If a song is a good song it can be sung by a man or a woman. Maybe it takes on a different emphasis and meaning sometimes, but that is all to the good. Even sea-shanties. Listen to Kate Rusby's Bold Riley
I can think of a few songs that I wouldn't like to hear a woman sing. I wouldn't like to hear a man sing them either. |
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15 May 00 - 02:09 PM (#228285) Subject: Lyr Add: COME ALL YE FAIR AND TENDER LADIES From: Mary in Kentucky Hello Baba, You may not have found this thread about the song Pretty Saro. You'll notice my post about one of my favorite songs, "Hard is the Fortune." This has to be the quintessential "woman's point of view, poor me" song. I really love this tune. It's interesting how some of the same themes and tunes show up in many places. Don't forget various songs about courtin' and being done wrong!
Waly, Waly (The Water is Wide) in the DT here. COME ALL YE FAIR AND TENDER LADIES (Couldn't find this in the DT, so I'll try to post it)
Come All Ye Fair and Tender Ladies
They'll tell to you some flattering story,
I wish I was some tall mountain,
I wish I was some little sparrow,
But I am none of those little sparrows, ...hmmm...Is there a theme here? Mary |
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15 May 00 - 03:23 PM (#228326) Subject: RE: 'GIRLIE' SONG LYRICS WANTED From: Bert Mbo, I often sing 'Still I love him' without feeling awkward. As Dick says "sing what you want to". Just be confident about it and it will work. |
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15 May 00 - 08:12 PM (#228464) Subject: RE: 'GIRLIE' SONG LYRICS WANTED From: GUEST,Murray on Saltspring One I've always liked is "A' the week your man's awa'", from Ewan MacColl's "Singing the Fishing". It's in the DT. |
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15 May 00 - 08:31 PM (#228473) Subject: RE: 'GIRLIE' SONG LYRICS WANTED From: GUEST,Baba Thanks for the response, I didn't expect it. Many stimulating ideas for me here. Yes, I concede that most songs can be handled by either gender, though I can't help feeling foolish when I sing something like "Arthur McBride", so I never subject others to it. (I can't help but put on a pretend "blokey" voice - you know how you just can't imagine a song any other way - the creative vocals scare the neighbourhood cats). I suppose one must feel comfortable with a song to enjoy it and to sing it effectively. Thanks again, all. You have been most helpful. |
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15 May 00 - 09:33 PM (#228501) Subject: RE: 'GIRLIE' SONG LYRICS WANTED From: Irish sergeant Baba; Being a big fan of female singers (Joanie Mitchell, Triona Ni Domhnail, Natalie Merchant and Lui Collins being among my favorite) I play and sing songs from a female perspective quite a bit even though I am mere mortal and a male speciman at that. Among some of my favorites are: Broken Hearted I'll Wander; Weeping, Sad and Lonely; The lowlands of Holland; You Turn me on (I'm a Radio); most of Lui Collins stuff including The Silkie. Scratch the service of a Civil War re-enactor who is also a musician and likely you'll find someone singing from the female perspective even if they're not aware of it. Another good one; Johnny Has Gone For A Soldier. Hope this helps. Reguards, Neil (Irish Sergeant) |
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15 May 00 - 10:35 PM (#228530) Subject: RE: 'GIRLIE' SONG LYRICS WANTED From: Baba Thanks, Neil, oh mere mortal male. Aren't you honoured that I have descended from my lofty cloud shrouded in feminine mystery to condescend to read your message? *LOL* Haven't heard of Lui Collins before, but will do a search and check her out. Splendid. |
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16 May 00 - 01:14 AM (#228585) Subject: RE: 'GIRLIE' SONG LYRICS WANTED From: rangeroger Baba, Very good."Guest" to member in under 24 hrs.Welcome to the Mudcat. rr |
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16 May 00 - 01:20 AM (#228586) Subject: RE: 'GIRLIE' SONG LYRICS WANTED From: Baba Well, you know how it is. Girl meets strange dark alluring folk discussion forum ... *wink* |
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16 May 00 - 01:22 AM (#228588) Subject: RE: 'GIRLIE' SONG LYRICS WANTED From: Baba Actually, I think it is the "Breasts" thread that made me fall for Mudcat (ahem). |
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16 May 00 - 03:42 PM (#228956) Subject: RE: 'GIRLIE' SONG LYRICS WANTED From: Saffron_Kerlilox I'm wondering if Baba wants some contemporary folk for women, in which case she should seek out the albums of UK singer Frankie Armstrong - see http://www.rootsworld.com/harbourtown/armstrong.html or email be for some specific song suggestions. |
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16 May 00 - 05:32 PM (#229014) Subject: RE: 'GIRLIE' SONG LYRICS WANTED From: Clinton Hammond2 The new band is looking at having the women sing Dylan's "Sweetheart Like You" and maybe Gorka's, "Mystery To Me" as well...
Good one Bert though about confidence!! It's 98% of performance I think...
That and standing up eh Mbo!! LOL!!!! {~` |
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16 May 00 - 05:58 PM (#229026) Subject: RE: 'GIRLIE' SONG LYRICS WANTED From: Peter T. Some women improve men's songs. Emmylou Harris' version of "Ballad of a Runaway Mare" (Leonard Cohen) on Cowgirl's Prayer changes the sex to "Ballad of a Runaway Horse" and the song is much much better (less sexist -- more sexy, and I mean sexy, whew). yours, Peter T. |
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16 May 00 - 06:02 PM (#229027) Subject: RE: 'GIRLIE' SONG LYRICS WANTED From: Mbo Clinton, if they're REAL "girlie" songs, you may have trouble standing up! --Mbo |
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16 May 00 - 08:36 PM (#229093) Subject: RE: 'GIRLIE' SONG LYRICS WANTED From: Irish sergeant Baba: Welcome to Mudcat! Lui Collins was recording on Green Linnet. As far as I know, she has three albums out Baptism of Fire, There is a light and Made in New England. I believ she is a Vermont girl. Her stuff was circulating in the 1980's and she did a concert here in Syracuse a couple of years ago. You might also check out Touchstone's album Relativity. There is an excellent song, Susannah Martin on it dealing with the title caracheter's trial during the Salem witch trials. Judy Collins also did one called Bread and Roses back in the '70s and check out her version of The Bonny Ship the Diamond. I'll have to check out the breasts thread. Hmm... If you are in the Syracuse area or plan on it give a yodel via our high tech jungle telegraph. I do Civil War reenactments as A Union Soldier with the 12th Regiment UNited States Infantry. So you might see me at one of those. Have gun and guitar.. will travel, reguards, Neil |
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16 May 00 - 08:43 PM (#229095) Subject: RE: 'GIRLIE' SONG LYRICS WANTED From: McGrath of Harlow Welcome aboard Baba.
And you can always think about Arthur McBride as taking the walk that morning with his sister.
After all, it wouldn't be the first time a recruiting sergeant ran up against a fierce woman. (Compare the curse in WHITE COCKADE (THEY ADVANCED ME):
Oh may he never prosper, and may he never thrive
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16 May 00 - 09:45 PM (#229115) Subject: RE: 'GIRLIE' SONG LYRICS WANTED From: Baba Thanks Mr McGrath, I like that verse. Have known a few grief causing fellows, I tell you boyo, however I've come to exercise my innate "fierceness" in a subtle way: I INVOLUNTARILY BURST INTO TEARS. Gets 'em every time. *PING* score one for the stricken maiden. Thanks for the welcome Irish sergeant - 'fraid you won't be seeing me on that side of the globe cheering on your reenactments. Good luck with them. THANK YOU FOR THE ADVICE AND WELCOMES EVERYONE, I FEEL QUITE CHUFFED. |