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06 Aug 00 - 08:39 PM (#272605) Subject: Jewish Influence on Folk Music From: Little Neophyte After reading through the Christian Influences on Folk Music thread, it made me think that there has definitely been a Jewish influence on Folk Music also. I would like to include Rick's posting on the Christian Influence thread to start off this topic............. 'the Jewish influence on BRINGING traditional "Christian-esque" music to us city folk has been incalculable. Just one example (from literally thousands) is that without Ralph Rinzler this whole darn world of ours would NEVER have known how important Bill Monroe was. Jewish drive, courage and loyalty made possible most of the traditional and Contemporary folk and blues recordings we all have in our collections.' Bonnie
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06 Aug 00 - 08:56 PM (#272610) Subject: RE: Jewish Influence on Folk Music From: Sorcha BB- I will never forget the day I discovered Klezmer music--I love the stuff, even if I can't play in Bb or Eb. Kez rules! |
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06 Aug 00 - 09:00 PM (#272616) Subject: RE: Jewish Influence on Folk Music From: Amergin Don't forget all the "pagan" influences on music too... |
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06 Aug 00 - 10:12 PM (#272636) Subject: RE: Jewish Influence on Folk Music From: Mbo Or the Martian influences while we're at it, Amergin. |
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06 Aug 00 - 10:12 PM (#272637) Subject: RE: Jewish Influence on Folk Music From: Rick Fielding Pete Seeger's many appearances at Camp Nyvelt (hope I've spelt that right...I am a Goy after all) influenced a whole generation of Canadians who spread the "folk Gospel" (excuse use of irony) to friends and children. Folk music camps and song circles would simply not exist were it not for Jewish folks. Davis Grisman talks about going South in the early sixties with the New York Ramblers (an early city Bluegrass band comprised of young Jewish kids) There was a hell of a lot of snickering and cutesy name-calling (Jewgrass being one of them) but when the band started playing and SINGING with skill, the old Mountain tunes, quite a few of the Big-name bands took notice. Rick |
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07 Aug 00 - 01:56 AM (#272729) Subject: RE: Jewish Influence on Folk Music From: GUEST,murray@mpce.mq.edu.au Sorcha. I dont know what kind of instrument you play, but if it is a stringed one you can, for example, tune the instrument two semi-tones lower and play as if you were playing "C". You will then be playing in B-flat. If the instrument is a guitar, you can put a capo on the third fret and play as if you were playing in "C". The result will be playing in "E-flat". Murray |
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07 Aug 00 - 05:44 AM (#272761) Subject: RE: Jewish Influence on Folk Music From: CarolC Three words: Simon And Garfunkle In my opinion, one of the best folk teams in the history of folk. I read the Tolkien trilogy while listening to their music in the background when I was in high school. It was a magical time. Carol |
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07 Aug 00 - 09:28 AM (#272813) Subject: RE: Jewish Influence on Folk Music From: catspaw49 Well, without starting a debate, I think I can safely say that Dylan had an influence on folk. Then there is Levi Strauss....I mean, generally everybody had one pair of jeans...part of the uniform sorta'. Spaw |
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07 Aug 00 - 09:28 AM (#272814) Subject: RE: Jewish Influence on Folk Music From: Peter T. Moses Asch. Let me repeat those two words: Moses Asch. Let me do that again: Moses Asch. yours, Peter T. |
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07 Aug 00 - 10:26 AM (#272833) Subject: RE: Jewish Influence on Folk Music From: Peter T. Also, the bulk of the post-Edwardian vaudeville songs were written by Jews, and a huge fraction of all the popular songs (Gershwin, Irving Berlin, etc.) that heavily influenced modern folk (you would have to be a heavy purist to deny that). Not to mention the influence of the taste of the producers who ran the movie industry (a few Jews there!). yours, Peter T. |
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07 Aug 00 - 10:31 AM (#272838) Subject: RE: Jewish Influence on Folk Music From: catspaw49 I assume you're including most of Tin Pan Alley in your Gershwin/Berlin pop reference? Certainly had an effect an a lot more Jews there too. Spaw |
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07 Aug 00 - 10:37 AM (#272839) Subject: RE: Jewish Influence on Folk Music From: CarolC Also, Joan Baez Carol |
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07 Aug 00 - 10:44 AM (#272843) Subject: RE: Jewish Influence on Folk Music From: black walnut spaw...it's all in the jeans. ~'nut
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07 Aug 00 - 11:33 AM (#272864) Subject: RE: Jewish Influence on Folk Music From: GUEST,Sailor Dan at work Even the Irish had a Jewish Lord Mayor of Dublin. His name was Briscoe. |
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07 Aug 00 - 11:42 AM (#272869) Subject: RE: Jewish Influence on Folk Music From: Downeast Bob Back in the 50s, it seemed to me that the better the music sounded to my ears, the more likely it was that the musicians were either Jewish or from down south, or on a record realeased by Moe Asch. I've never figured out why this should have been so, but it was. I believe the popularity of bluegrass music reached a new level the year the New York City Ramblers blew everyone away at the bluegrass band competition at Union Grove. |
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08 Aug 00 - 03:36 AM (#273435) Subject: RE: Jewish Influence on Folk Music From: Peter Kasin Other non-performers important to the U.S. folk revival - Irwin Silber, Israel Young, Harold Leventhal, Jac Holzman, Kenneth Goldstein, Eli Oberstein, Marion Distler - all involved in recording, producing, publishing, collecting, and marketing folk music. Oberstein was one of the first to record blues musicians in the 1920's. |
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08 Aug 00 - 08:28 AM (#273499) Subject: RE: Jewish Influence on Folk Music From: A Wandering Minstrel not forgetting Leon Rosselson |
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08 Aug 00 - 12:23 PM (#273603) Subject: RE: Jewish Influence on Folk Music From: Rick Fielding Or Joseph Lieberman...oops, wrong thread! During the thirties, forties, and especially the fifties, it took a lot of guts to publish left wing music. Don't forget those folks. Remember "People's Songs"? Joe McCarthy sure did! Rick |
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08 Aug 00 - 02:09 PM (#273660) Subject: RE: Jewish Influence on Folk Music From: ol'troll So! Once again it's all the Jews fault. We might all be singing arias from Verdi but instead, we're singing folk music. And some of us goyem are even playing in Klezmer bands! Oh yeah! It's possible for a G major triad klutz to play in G minor or even (shudder) E flat. The shayne madele (mayne wibe) insists that she can't sing in any other key. Mazel Tov! troll |
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08 Aug 00 - 02:19 PM (#273666) Subject: RE: Jewish Influence on Folk Music From: Downeast Bob Yeah, Rick, I was a goyish lefty even way back then, but there was definitely a strong Jewish presence among my fellow travelers -- political as well as musical. |
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08 Aug 00 - 02:32 PM (#273676) Subject: RE: Jewish Influence on Folk Music From: wysiwyg Well, I would swear that was a klezmer break I heard in the middle of the Tom Waits song we were listening to in the car as we drove through Ohio Sunday night. From Klez to Tom to my autoharp... I am sure it will come out in something I play. There also is a movement on now in Christian praise and church services toward Davidic forms of worship, including setting Psalms back to Hebrew melody forms. Several pieces I now are already in this genre. This affects not only the acoustic worshop music but leaks over into the approach our band takes on folk tunes... new rhythms and harmonies, modes come into play as alternative ways to do familiar folk pieces. I think our souls are non-denominational... and that music comes from and goes to that place in us that Christians talk about in connection with Pentecost-- when all the cultural and language barriers suddenly became irrelevant as, for a brief moment, people simply were together in the spirit and had no divisions to be concerned about. I think music, whether intentionally spiritual or not, is always a possible shortcut to that state of being, within ourselves and with each other, and with the spiritual universe I think nearly all of us would agree is a reality-- no matter how we fuss over the outer trappings we can see here on earth. I think that is why some broken Mudcat relationhips have seen the beginning of healing at HearMe. ~Susan |
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08 Aug 00 - 02:39 PM (#273681) Subject: RE: Jewish Influence on Folk Music From: Downeast Bob I'm with you, Praise. Now I think I know why they call you that. |
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08 Aug 00 - 03:19 PM (#273703) Subject: RE: Jewish Influence on Folk Music From: wysiwyg Well Bob, they sure don't call me spelcheker! Reason's o-bivious! *G* They only call me Praise cuz I named myself that here, having the silly notion (at the time( that I could live up to it. Sometimes I think I should change it to Trubblemaker, DumKlutz, Faithless Ranter... yeah, I like that one. Really I am just one of the folks. ~S~ |
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08 Aug 00 - 03:48 PM (#273724) Subject: RE: Jewish Influence on Folk Music From: Lonesome EJ Man, there's a lot of name-dropping going on here! Obviously, a lot of Jews have been involved in performing,writing,promoting Folk Music. What about Jewish traditional music? Are there any crossovers of style,themes,instruments,etc into main-stream Folk (main-stream folk?! Did I really say that?) |
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08 Aug 00 - 04:00 PM (#273729) Subject: RE: Jewish Influence on Folk Music From: Jed at Work as Rick has already pointed out, never mind the Jewish inlfuence on Folk Music - look at our current (vice) presidential electoral process! ;-) |
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08 Aug 00 - 04:24 PM (#273745) Subject: RE: Jewish Influence on Folk Music From: Amergin You're right, Mbo, the Martians have had a great influence on folk music and music in general, especially since that long forgotten day they took over Washington, DC.... Amergin |
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08 Aug 00 - 11:16 PM (#274006) Subject: RE: Jewish Influence on Folk Music From: Rick Fielding Actually it's interesting (to me) that a number of the folks mentioned earlier, after spending many years playing bluegrass and early American country and gospel, started getting into their own roots and became part of the new York and LA Klezmer revival in the early 80s. Andy Statman certainly led the pack. Rick |
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09 Aug 00 - 02:30 AM (#274083) Subject: RE: Jewish Influence on Folk Music From: Lox Who's seen priscilla queen of the desert? Annoying people with headaches the morning after the night before has never been such fun. "Ha'va hangover...etc" (best accompanied with any detuned percussion instrument) |
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09 Aug 00 - 04:33 PM (#274528) Subject: RE: Jewish Influence on Folk Music From: gillymor On the lighter side, how about the quintessential Jewish folksinger Allan Sherman, "Glory, Glory Harry Lewis", "Sarah Jachman, Sarah Jachman how's by you", "The Righteous Sir Greenbaum" etc. from My Son the Folksinger. Frankie |
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09 Aug 00 - 06:22 PM (#274609) Subject: RE: Jewish Influence on Folk Music From: Little Neophyte Maybe I should call my first CD.......'My Daughter the Banjo Player' My dad would roll over in his grave if I did that. Bonnie |
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10 Aug 00 - 04:38 AM (#274909) Subject: RE: Jewish Influence on Folk Music From: Peter Kasin "I found my big romance, when she broke the zipper in my pants, my Zelda, she took the money and ran with the tailor!" Sherman died way too young. His songs should be in the Yiddital Tradition. -chanteyranger |
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10 Aug 00 - 04:26 PM (#275283) Subject: RE: Jewish Influence on Folk Music From: gillymor "My heart is down, my head is turning around, I had to sell my little house in Levittown." |
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10 Aug 00 - 04:48 PM (#275298) Subject: RE: Jewish Influence on Folk Music From: Rick Fielding "Here's a size 8 I can fix, Gotta let it out to a 56! Gotta jump down turn around, pick a dress o'cotton Gotta jump down turn around pick a dress o' wool."
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10 Aug 00 - 05:08 PM (#275317) Subject: RE: Jewish Influence on Folk Music From: Peter T. "trampling through the warehouse where the drapes of Roth are stored." One of my great heroes -- what a lyricist. "Some extract of vanilla, enough to feed Godzilla....." We had a way early thread on AS. yours, Peter T. |
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10 Aug 00 - 05:14 PM (#275323) Subject: RE: Jewish Influence on Folk Music From: catspaw49 He was a fine lyricist.......but "The Rape of the A.P.E." is a fockin' MASTERPIECE!!!! Spaw |