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21 Aug 00 - 12:44 PM (#281719) Subject: the handsome cabin boy, any ideas? From: dalek Im really keen to do a version of this song, nice and bouncy, with plenty of irish flair, except the only lyrics i can remember are " its of a pretty female as you will understand", i am reluctant to put these lyrics into a search engine as it will proberbly throw up the entire librery of folk music at me!!!(lets face it, they all start like that dont they!!!) dalek |
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21 Aug 00 - 01:00 PM (#281732) Subject: RE: the handsome cabin boy, any ideas? From: MMario Dalek - here |
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21 Aug 00 - 01:55 PM (#281771) Subject: RE: the handsome cabin boy, any ideas? From: dalek Thankyou very much mmario! ive been after this song for ages, guess ive got some learning to do tonight! dalek |
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21 Aug 00 - 02:06 PM (#281775) Subject: RE: the handsome cabin boy, any ideas? From: MMario no problem. We'll give you another week before we start yelling about "CHECK THE DATABASE FIRST" *grin* |
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21 Aug 00 - 03:09 PM (#281804) Subject: RE: the handsome cabin boy, any ideas? From: Liz the Squeak Just as an aside, for a little dalek who hasn't got the hang of his coathanger zap gun yet - try putting in some key words, rather than trying to remember the title or first lines. You may have to juggle them a little, and plough through a few songs, but it does work in the long run. LTS |
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21 Aug 00 - 03:10 PM (#281805) Subject: RE: the handsome cabin boy, any ideas? From: Liz the Squeak Of course, if you mean do I have any ideas about what to do WITH the handsome cabin boy, see me after..... LTS |
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21 Aug 00 - 03:19 PM (#281810) Subject: RE: the handsome cabin boy, any ideas? From: MMario I KNEW someone was going to go there.... |
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21 Aug 00 - 04:10 PM (#281849) Subject: RE: the handsome cabin boy, any ideas? From: Jeri LTS, the handsome cabin boy was a girl...er, never mind. Of course, there's the version Short Jacket and White Trousers, where the Captain makes a pass while he still thinks she's a "he" - or maybe he just suspects. Wonder why they never had handsome shanty boys. I mean, it would really help with those people who think only men should sing chanteys! |
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21 Aug 00 - 06:01 PM (#281911) Subject: RE: the handsome cabin boy, any ideas? From: GUEST,Bruce O. Also as "The Handsome (or Female) Cabin Boy" there are several copies on the Bodley Ballads website. |
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21 Aug 00 - 06:13 PM (#281916) Subject: RE: the handsome cabin boy, any ideas? From: Joe Offer OK, now this has me wondering- the "Handsome Cabin Boy that we have in the database is DT #445, Laws N13. We have only one example of this song in the database, although I suspect we have had other versions posted in the forum. The song Jeri refers to, Short Jacket and White Trousers, is DT #444, Laws N14. A search for #444 brings up three songs (click). Aren't they the same song, or what's the difference? Why don't they have the same numbers? Bruce? Please to explain. -Joe Offer- |
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21 Aug 00 - 06:33 PM (#281928) Subject: RE: the handsome cabin boy, any ideas? From: Jeri Joe, they may have been given different numbers, because in #444, female is discovered and gets pregnant. In #445, she gets away with it, and then makes fun of the sailors when she gets to shore. Just a guess - perhaps Bruce O. or someone else knows the correct answer. |
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21 Aug 00 - 06:33 PM (#281929) Subject: RE: the handsome cabin boy, any ideas? From: GUEST,Bruce O. The second 'Short Jacket' one in DT shouldn't be subtitled 'Cabin boy', because there's no indication that that's her position. It's Laws N12, 'The Maid in Sorrow' or 'Short Jacket'. I think David Diamond's one is mostly his own, based on 'Handsome Cabin Boy', and shouldn't have a Laws' number (or be DT #444). In 'Short Jacket' the maid goes to sea in search of her lover' and reveals her sex only upon leaving the ship. No marriage to the captain there. |
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21 Aug 00 - 06:42 PM (#281937) Subject: RE: the handsome cabin boy, any ideas? From: Joe Offer The version of "Cabin Boy" that I'm most familiar with is one I learned From a Sally Rogers, recording, When I Was a Fair Maid. Should it be assigned DT #445, Laws N13? Is it a traditional version of the song, or something more modern? There's also Soldier Maid - where does that fit in? -Joe Offer- |
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21 Aug 00 - 06:44 PM (#281938) Subject: RE: the handsome cabin boy, any ideas? From: GUEST,Bruce O. Whoops, I goofed. The captain doesn't marry her in "The Handsome Cabin Boy", he justs gets her pregnant. |
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21 Aug 00 - 06:48 PM (#281940) Subject: RE: the handsome cabin boy, any ideas? From: harpgirl ...well, that figures! |
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21 Aug 00 - 06:53 PM (#281943) Subject: RE: the handsome cabin boy, any ideas? From: GUEST,Bruce O. For "Soldier Maid" and Sally Rodgers song see 'Female Drummer' on the Bodley Ballads website. It isn't "Short Jacket" or "Handsome/ Female Cabin Boy" or "Maid on the Shore". |
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21 Aug 00 - 06:59 PM (#281946) Subject: RE: the handsome cabin boy, any ideas? From: GUEST,Arkie Try here: http://metalab.unc.edu/jimmy/folkden/ This should take you to Roger McGuinn's site with words and Roger singing his version. I also ran on to the song with a different tune than the one I am used to hearing on the internet in the last couple of weeks and have been unable to back track and relocate it. |
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21 Aug 00 - 07:04 PM (#281950) Subject: RE: the handsome cabin boy, any ideas? From: Joe Offer Any other songs related to these two? It's developing into quite a collection. We could record a whole CD of various versions. -Joe Offer- |
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21 Aug 00 - 08:17 PM (#282008) Subject: RE: the handsome cabin boy, any ideas? From: Jeri Joe, you're getting your soldiers mixed up with your sailors. Another sailor is Jackie Monroe. I haven't heard that many female soldier songs. I do remember that there actually was a woman who dressed as a man to become a soldier during the Civil War, and was decorated as well. Think she wound up dying of tuberculosis. There were probably more that weren't discovered... |
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21 Aug 00 - 08:32 PM (#282028) Subject: RE: the handsome cabin boy, any ideas? From: GUEST,Bruce O. "The Bold Soldier", Laws M27, in DT file DOUGTRD2, and DOUGTRD4 is "The Bold Dragoon" (one of 2) on the Bodley Ballads website. He was a keeper in Abraham Miles' "The Masterpiece of Love Songs" (ZN1516 in the broadside ballad index on my website) then a sailor in "The Seamans Renown" (ZN2487). Occupations are not fixed quantities. [An earlier version of the story is in my broadside ballad index at ZN3202] |
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22 Aug 00 - 10:32 AM (#282337) Subject: RE: the handsome cabin boy, any ideas? From: Llanfair I seem to remember, in the dim and distant past, hearing a song that described EVERYONE in the army, navy and merchant navy as being a "concealed" female!!! anyone know of it? Bron. |
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22 Aug 00 - 10:51 AM (#282349) Subject: RE: the handsome cabin boy, any ideas? From: GUEST,Fibula Mattock "Billy Taylor" or "Willie Taylor" (2 versions of the same song as far as I know) are of a similar vein. Ah, that old story: girl meets boy, boy leaves for sea, girl becomes boy to go to sea, "boy" found out to be girl, real boy has new girl, girl kills boy... |
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22 Aug 00 - 03:51 PM (#282614) Subject: RE: the handsome cabin boy, any ideas? From: GUEST,Bruce O. The semi-comic "Billy Taylor" seems to be older than the 'straight' "Bold William Taylor". Several copies of both are on the Bodley Ballads website. Laws has both as N11. |
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22 Aug 00 - 04:37 PM (#282660) Subject: RE: the handsome cabin boy, any ideas? From: GUEST,Bruce O. For a girl disguised as a sailor see Laws' N6 through N17 in DT. |
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22 Aug 00 - 04:44 PM (#282666) Subject: RE: the handsome cabin boy, any ideas? From: Liz the Squeak It goes for pirates too, Ann Bonney was a really successful pirate as a man, until a woman, also disguised as a man, fell in love with her and she had to reveal her own secret. They then went on to become two of the most successful pirate captains ever.... Ann never really went back to womens' clothing although I believe she did marry later.... Makings of a song here? LTS |
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22 Aug 00 - 08:00 PM (#282817) Subject: RE: the handsome cabin boy, any ideas? From: GUEST,Barry Finn Then there's Dave Diamond's "Lifeboat Man" to the tune of the "Hog Eye Man" (it's in the DT)
The lifeboat man, he calls "Ahoy!
To the lifeboat, everybody run to the lifeboat Barry |
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23 Aug 00 - 03:42 AM (#283073) Subject: RE: the handsome cabin boy, any ideas? From: Wolfgang The DT has both THE FEMALE DRUMMER and FEMALE DRUMMER. Wolfgang |
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23 Aug 00 - 03:47 AM (#283074) Subject: RE: the handsome cabin boy, any ideas? From: Joe Offer OK, I gather that When I Was a Fair Maidand Soldier Maid are the same song - basically the same tune, and almost the same lyrics, with changes made for the branch of service. Is there a Laws or DT number for the song? -Joe Offer- |
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23 Aug 00 - 11:56 AM (#283270) Subject: RE: the handsome cabin boy, any ideas? From: Liz the Squeak Anyone got the words to the Female Morris man? To think I slept with a Morris team, and a maiden all the while.... LTS |
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23 Aug 00 - 12:34 PM (#283299) Subject: RE: the handsome cabin boy, any ideas? From: GUEST,Bruce O. Soldier Maid/ Female Drummer is #226 in Steve Roud's folk song and broadside indexes, but there's no Laws # for it. |
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24 Aug 00 - 07:10 AM (#283896) Subject: RE: the handsome cabin boy, any ideas? From: Wolfgang another title that has been used (by the Watersons on Yorkshire Garland) for Soldier Maid/Female Drummer is 'Pretty Drummer Boy'. Wolfgang |
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24 Aug 00 - 03:13 PM (#284261) Subject: RE: the handsome cabin boy, any ideas? From: GUEST,Bruce O. "Maid on the Shore/ The Sea Captain/ Mermaid" is Laws' K27. Laws noted no broadside copy. The number is 181 in Steve Roud's folk song index, but there's no broadside copy noted in his folk or broadside ballad indexes. The elusive broadside is on the Bodley Ballads website as "On the sea shore, O". PS: Laws' N3, "The Female Sailor Bold" is also about a female disguised as a sailor.
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24 Aug 00 - 03:26 PM (#284270) Subject: RE: the handsome cabin boy, any ideas? From: GUEST,Bob Schwarer Also, "The Rambling Female Sailor". Ended up falling off a mast or yard. Bob Schwarer |
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24 Aug 00 - 03:36 PM (#284276) Subject: RE: the handsome cabin boy, any ideas? From: Little Hawk Li'l Abner. Does that help? |
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16 Jul 04 - 05:01 PM (#1227208) Subject: Lyr Add: THE FEMALE DRUMMER From: GUEST,Marie O'Connell The Female Drummer When I was a fair maid about 17 I listed in the navy for to serve the queen I listed in the navy a sailor lad to stand To hear the cannons rattlin' and the music so grand the music so grand, the music so grand To hear the cannons rattlin' and the music so grand The Officer that listed me was a tall and a handsome man He said you'll make a sailor so come along my man My waist being tall and slender, my fingers long and thin The very soon they learnéd me, I soon exceeded them I soon exceeded them, I soon exceeded them The very soon they learnéd me, I soon exceeded them They sent me to bed and they sent me to bunk To lie with a sailor I never was afraid But taking off my blue coat it often makes me smile To think I've lain with a 100 men and a maiden all the while a maiden all the while, a maiden all the while For To think I've lain with a 100 men and a maiden all the while They sent me up to London for to guard the tower And I'm sure I might be there till my very dying hour But a lady fell in love with me, I told her I was a maid She went into the captain and my secret she betrayed My secret she betrayed, my secret she betrayed She went into the captain and my secret she betrayed The Captain he came up to me and asked if this was so I dare not I dare not I dare not say NO! It's a pity we should lose you such a sailor lad you made It's a pity we should lose you such a handsome young maid a handsome young maid, a handsome young maid It's a pity we should lose you such a handsome young maid So fair thee well captain you've been so kind to me And likewise my shipmates I'm sorry to part with thee But if ever the navy needs a lad a sailor I'll remain I'll put out me hat and feathers and run the riggin again I'll run the riggin again, I'll run the riggin again, I'll put out me hat and feathers and run the riggin again
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