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09 Sep 00 - 12:07 PM (#294113) Subject: Lyr Add: THE FOGGY DEW (trad. English) From: Alice Posted back in '97 but still not in the DT. The Irish one (A wan cloud... Foggy Dew) is now in the DT, and Lesley has purchased the old book to make the midi. Lesley, can you do the midi for this one, too? Alice Subject: RE: Women's Song Circle From: Alice Date: 05-Oct-97 - 10:55 PM I have an old songbook called "The Home and Community Song Book", ©1931, sponsored by Better Homes In America Inc, and National Recreation Association. In it is written, "The publications in this series comprise books of music for use in private and public schools, in homes, and for large and small groups of people who come together to sing."... the purpose of "Better Homes in America, Inc., Honorary Chairman, Herber Hoover, To put knowledge of high standards of house building, home furnishing and home life within the reach of all citizens. To encourage general study of the housing problem and problems of family life. To promote the improvement of homes and to extend knowledge of the ways and means of making home life more attractive and happier through the development of home play, home art, home reading, and home music." The purpose of the National Recreation Association was "That every child in America have a chance to play. That everybody in America, young or old, shall have an opportunity to find the best and most satisfying use of leisure time." In this book I found two songs called "The Foggy Dew", which are completely different in lyrics and tunes than the two Foggy Dew songs that we usually hear. One is English and one is Irish. THE FOGGY DEW English One night as I lay in my bed As I lay fast asleep, My pretty love seemed to come to my head And bitterly she did weep. She wrung her hands and she tore her hair, Crying, asking what shall I do? For they say the love that men-folk bear Dries off like the foggy dew, dew dew, More swift than the foggy dew. Watch on, dear love, the lee long night, And the morning will be here. Then rise, pretty maid, and don't be afraid, Men love, be it mist or clear. So dry your eyes and kiss me, dear, As once you used to do, For the only cold that you must fear, Is the chill of the foggy dew, dew, dew, Is the chill of the foggy dew. She dried her eyes, and the gay sun shone, And the world grew green in the blue, For the last of the foggy dew was gone The last of the foggy dew. But love was there in the mist and shine, The old love, wonder, and new. O fie! Pretty maid, to let eyes like thine Be dimmed by the foggy dew, dew, dew, By fear of the foggy dew. |
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09 Sep 00 - 12:27 PM (#294128) Subject: RE: Lyr Add: The Foggy Dew - English From: Sorcha Is the tune the same? |
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09 Sep 00 - 12:34 PM (#294133) Subject: RE: Lyr Add: The Foggy Dew - English From: Alice Same as what, Sorcha? |
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09 Sep 00 - 12:53 PM (#294140) Subject: RE: Lyr Add: The Foggy Dew - English From: Sorcha Same as the Foggy Dew that "everybody" knows------ FA B2, AF B2, etc........(the one Eugene O'Donnell plays) |
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09 Sep 00 - 01:55 PM (#294164) Subject: RE: Lyr Add: The Foggy Dew - English From: Alice No, that was the point of my message,
"In this book I found two songs called "The Foggy Dew", which are completely different in lyrics and tunes than the two Foggy Dew songs that we usually hear." Alice |
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09 Sep 00 - 02:53 PM (#294190) Subject: RE: Lyr Add: The Foggy Dew - English From: Joe Offer Hmmm, Alice. How can we make it so you can submit the tune? Is there somebody here who speaks Mac who can guide Alice through the process of making a MIDI? -Joe Offer- |
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09 Sep 00 - 03:16 PM (#294203) Subject: Lyr Add: THE FOGGY DEW (from Cecil Sharp) From: Malcolm Douglas This text was first published in Folk Songs from Somerset, vol.I (1904; ed. Cecil Sharp & Rev. Charles L. Marson), with the remark, "Mr. Marson has re-written the words, retaining as many lines of Mrs. Hooper's song as were desirable.". The book was intended for a "genteel" readership, so references which risked offending the sensibilities of the time were often removed. James Reeves (Idiom of the People, 1958) says: "In fact no more than six of the twenty-seven lines are more or less as dictated by the two sisters at Hambridge, in the winter of 1903. This harmless composition, reminiscent of William Morris in his more sentimental vein rather than of any folk song original, completely suppresses the real situation and eliminates the essential spirit of the song. Sharp appears to have thought that in this case Marson went a bit too far, for he did not reprint The Foggy Dew in any of his later publications." This is the song as Lucy White and Louie Hooper actually sang it (from Sharp's ms., reprinted by Reeves): One night as I lay on my bed, As I lay fast asleep, A pretty maid came to my bedside; Most bitterly she did weep. She wrung her hands and tore her hair, Crying, asking what shall I do? Come into my bed my fair pretty maid. For fear of the foggy dew, dew, dew, For fear of the foggy dew. So there they laid all that long night. Till daylight did appear; Come rise, pretty maid and don't be afraid, For the foggy dew is gone, gone, gone For the foggy dew is gone. I never told her all her faults And I never do intend so to do, But there's many a time I've rolled her in my arms, For fear of the foggy dew, dew, dew, For fear of the foggy dew. Sharp collected a number of versions, many more complete than this one. The song was widely popular in England, and was regularly printed on broadsides in a number of forms. It dates back at least as far as 1689, when a broadside entitled The Fright'ned York-shire Damosel, or, Fears Dispers'd by Pleasure was published by J. Millet. Robert S. Thomson goes into the song's genealogy in some detail in his article, The Frightful Foggy Dew (Folk Music Journal vol.4 no.1, 1980) There's an article by Bruce Olson in the same issue, incidentally. Malcolm |
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09 Sep 00 - 06:17 PM (#294258) Subject: RE: Lyr Add: The Foggy Dew - English From: Alice Malcolm, now that you post it, I recall seeing that version or one like it.
Joe, I could sing it into an mp3 and post it in the driveway.com folder. Got alot to do today, will have to wait for that. Maybe someone in England who can do a more "authentic" job of it than I, could sing it for us. Alice
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09 Sep 00 - 09:06 PM (#294315) Subject: RE: Lyr Add: The Foggy Dew - English From: Malcolm Douglas Alice: If you have the staff-notation and can scan it, you're welcome to send it me for transcription to midi (gif format is easiest; PM me for email address); or I might be able to get it at the City Library later in the week -I think there's a copy of FSFS there. Malcolm |
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10 Sep 00 - 09:18 PM (#294794) Subject: RE: Lyr Add: The Foggy Dew - English From: The Lighthouse Anyone referring to the Irish Foggy Dew: It was down the glen one Easter morn to a city fair rode I
About the 1916 uprising in Dublin? |
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10 Sep 00 - 09:34 PM (#294800) Subject: RE: Lyr Add: The Foggy Dew - English From: dick greenhaus The Foggy, Foggy Dew (not to be confused with the Irish Foggy Dew)is often sung to the second half of Ye Banks and Braes of Bonnie Doon. |
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10 Sep 00 - 09:54 PM (#294808) Subject: RE: Lyr Add: The Foggy Dew - English From: Alice I sent a gif of the music to Malcolm and he will be sending it to Alan for addition to the tunebook. Alice |
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10 Sep 00 - 10:15 PM (#294816) Subject: RE: Lyr Add: The Foggy Dew - English From: Malcolm Douglas I've done the midi (and embedded both sets of -first verse- lyrics in it) but Alan's going to be busy with the Olympics for the next few weeks, so it will take a while to appear at the Mudcat Midi Site. And, Lighthouse; didn't you read what Alice said earlier? Completely different song... Malcolm |
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10 Sep 00 - 10:46 PM (#294823) Subject: RE: Lyr Add: The Foggy Dew - English From: The Lighthouse A hundred thousand pardons Malcolm. Forgive me for being human in an oversight! Sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo sorry Malcolm |
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10 Sep 00 - 11:32 PM (#294844) Subject: RE: Lyr Add: The Foggy Dew - English From: Malcolm Douglas I daresay you'll get over it, even if you have to do it twice. <BG> Malcolm |
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11 Sep 00 - 06:46 PM (#295272) Subject: Lyr Add: THE FOGGY DEW (Katherine Tynan, 1907) From: p.j. One of my favorites of the Irish version is by Katherine Tynan c. 1907:
Oh lovely is London with gold in store
The sun he shines so fierce and fine
The maids go a-milkin' in pastures gray
Mavrone! I'd give all the wealth of this place I like to sing this one in places where it feels a little too politically charged to do the Easter Uprising words. In any event I think it's a beautiful melody, and I like the fact that it's a song which has had many lives with different words. pj
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11 Sep 00 - 09:31 PM (#295358) Subject: RE: Lyr Add: The Foggy Dew - English From: Alice Thanks for that, pj. There is another version of lyrics I prefer to sing to that tune, too (the rebel tune). I learned it from an old John McCormack recording. "Oh, down the glen I went one morn, a lovely maid I spied." Alice |
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12 Sep 00 - 12:13 AM (#295443) Subject: RE: Lyr Add: The Foggy Dew - English From: The Lighthouse Malcolm Smart guy like you missed the sarcasm!!! Didn't you read what I wrote???? Wait a minute - thats your line! |