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10 Sep 00 - 07:22 AM (#294489) Subject: Jack O'Rian the Fiddler From: GUEST,Willow in Nepal Does anyone know the words and tune to this song? We have a hankerin to remember it but are too far over the rainbow to find it. please send any info to : info@nepalmandala.com Thankyou and Namaste, Willow Nicole Sherpa Messages from multiple threads combined. |
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10 Sep 00 - 08:03 AM (#294505) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Jack O'Rian the Fiddler From: Malcolm Douglas Using the various search facilities here, which I'd normally recommend, would have been rather difficult with the unusual spelling you have there. The words for the Bert Lloyd version (later recorded by Martin Carthy) and the Bert Jansch/Pentangle one were posted in a discussion earlier this year; just click here: Jack Orion. Malcolm |
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11 Sep 00 - 12:51 PM (#295068) Subject: Jack O'Rian the Fiddler From: GUEST,Kathmandu Here I am living over the rainbow....I want to learn this song that haunts my friend from his Irish childhood. I need the tune and the words...can you help me? Write to willowla@hotmail.com |
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11 Sep 00 - 01:04 PM (#295081) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Jack O'Rian the Fiddler From: GUEST,Kathmandoobiedoo I am sooooooooooooooooooooo happy to have found Mudcat because we have a small trad community here in Kathmandu and we always have trouble finding songs and such. But if anyone wants to visit we'd be glad to connect and show you round this wonderful Nepalese music scene! I wrote one of these yesterday and it got deleted so I'm hoping today to have more luck! Willow Nicole Sherpa |
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11 Sep 00 - 01:18 PM (#295088) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Jack O'Rian the Fiddler From: Sorcha Here is the first request and the blue clickie for the song. |
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11 Sep 00 - 05:06 PM (#295223) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Jack Orion the Fiddler From: GUEST,Philippa Willow, it's fascinating to hear from you in Nepal. Threads on Mudcat usually don't get deleted; they are stored for two years. But only the threads which have been written on in the past day normally appear on the screen. On the main Mudcat Cafe page, you can set the filter for a longer period of time or use a key word to search for an old message. |
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12 Sep 00 - 05:23 AM (#295538) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Jack O'Rian the Fiddler From: Kathmandoobiedoo Thankyou for your help, now how do I get the tune I wonder? Willow |
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12 Sep 00 - 05:32 AM (#295541) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Jack O'Rian the Fiddler From: Kathmandoobiedoo Thanks a lot you guys, I'm so happy I got answered, this is great! but what exactly is the blue clickie for the song? And do you have a tune database or can someone send a sheetmusic and chords attachment to willowla@hotmail.com? Actually I've got two threads going on this now aaand I'd like to combine them but I suppose it will sort itself out. Thanks, Willow |
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12 Sep 00 - 08:51 AM (#295584) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Jack O'Rian the Fiddler From: Liam's Brother You might like to know a little bit about "Jack Orion." It's not traditional in the strictest sense nor is it Irish. I was in a band The Flying Cloud in the mid 1970s. We put it was on our Adelphi LP. The late A.L. Lloyd, one of the real mainstays of the modern folk revival in Britain rewrote an old Child ballad (i.e. The English & Scottish Popular Ballads) named Glasgerion, listed as #67 in Child, and turned it into "Jack Orion." It's a great piece of music. I hope you enjoy it.
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12 Sep 00 - 05:30 PM (#295957) Subject: Origins: Jack O'Rian the Fiddler From: Malcolm Douglas This is what Lloyd had to say about the song, in the notes to his 1966 record, First Person (Topic 12T118), which also included his definitive versions of Sovay and Reynardine: "In the roll call of famous musicians the sonorous name of the Bardd Glas Geraint -Geraint, the Blue Bard- occurs. He was a 9th. century harper of such legendary eminence that when Chaucer wrote his House of Fame he set "the Bret Clascurion" up in the minstrels' gallery alongside Orpheus and similar well-known string-pickers. That was in the 1380s, some 500 years after the harper's time, but his fame endured for much longer in the English folk ballad named Glasgerion. The ballad dropped out of tradition long ago, but the story it tells is an engaging one (a modern and more demographic parallel is Do Me Ama ) and it seemed to me too good a song to be shut away in books, so I took it out and dusted it off a bit and set a tune to it and, I hope, started it out on a new lease of life." Typically, he doesn't say whether the melody is his own or a modified traditional one. I don't think I've ever heard it sung to guitar accompaniment, but it'll do you no harm to work out your own chords. I can help with the melody, though, and will email you a .midi if you would like. Bert Jansch and Pentangle used Lloyd's tune, but slowed it down a great deal. Malcolm |
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12 Sep 00 - 05:34 PM (#295958) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Jack O'Rian the Fiddler From: Malcolm Douglas Gosh, my first ever double-posting; and in a single box! That's what happens when you take your fingers off "Ctrl+C" too slowly... Double-post corrected. |
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12 Sep 00 - 08:53 PM (#296095) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Jack O'Rian the Fiddler From: Sorcha That's gotta be a First firtst, Malcolm. Or would that be a first double, or a double first? Hell, I don't know! I'll buy you a beer for that one...........*grin* |
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12 Sep 00 - 09:13 PM (#296105) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Jack O'Rian the Fiddler From: Malcolm Douglas I'm not sure, either, but the beer sounds good. Cheers! Malcolm |
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13 Sep 00 - 09:32 AM (#296369) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Jack O'Rian the Fiddler From: Kathmandoobiedoo Thanks you posters and double posters! What great info! I would LOVE IT if you sent me a staff notation of the tune or a midi- either would be great. And if you come to Kathmandu the beers on me! (we actually have an Irish Pub AND Guiness!!!) Willow |
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13 Sep 00 - 02:40 PM (#296559) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Jack O'Rian the Fiddler From: Malcolm Douglas Both are on their way to you. It's just occurred to me how similar Lloyd's tune is to Donald, where's yer troosers. Weird... Malcolm |