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19 Sep 00 - 03:55 PM (#300879) Subject: Irish song info request From: GUEST,Claire Zucker Hi, I am new to this forum, but I was wondering if someone out there might be able to help me with background information on some songs. I am involved in recording a first cd with my band (we play Irish traditional music) We're considering a variety of different songs, and I'm looking for additional information on any the following- (beyond what I can find on liner notes in my cd collection & a few songbooks).... I realize that's a very broad question- but if you have any interesting background, we'd appreciate it- for example where & when they might have originated, singers they were associated with ... or ???? Also, one of these songs was probably written in the 1960's, but I am not sure of how to get permission to record it. I listed the songs below. Thanks very much for helping us out. Star of the County Down (tune dates to 1726, but I don't know, but I don't know when the song was firt collected Soldier Soldier (a children's song) (earliest date 1903, author unknown Peata Beag (in Gaelic) Scartaglen Teddy O'Neill Lonely Shanakyle (written by Thomas Madigan of Carnacalla, Kilrush, Co. Clare around 1960, how do I get permission to record this?)
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19 Sep 00 - 04:26 PM (#300903) Subject: RE: Irish song info request From: Alice Claire, if you put Star of the County Down in the search forum box, it will bring up discussion threads on the song. I'm not sure if we have discussed all the songs you listed, but searching with each title will result in whatever has been posted about each song. For those that we haven't discussed, starting a new thread on each song with the title in the thread will yield more specific attention and feedback. |
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19 Sep 00 - 04:50 PM (#300923) Subject: RE: Irish song info request From: GUEST,Claire Alice, Thank you for your suggestion, and I must be more diligent with this. I have used mudcat to find lyrics, but everytime I have submitted the name to find discussions on a song, the computer searched a long time and I don't get results. If I don't get any replies, I will also refine my thread name. Thanks for your help... I am new to this. Claire |
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19 Sep 00 - 06:59 PM (#301028) Subject: RE: Irish song info request From: Noreen I'm interested in where you got your info. on Lone Shanakyle, Claire. It was indeed written by Thomas Madigan of Carnacalla, Kilrush, Co. Clare, but he lived from 1797 to 1881 and LS is thought to have been written during the 1860s. So no permission needed! I'll scan in some more info on it in a bit. Noreen |
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19 Sep 00 - 07:37 PM (#301049) Subject: RE: Irish song info request From: Noreen Here you are, Claire. Good choice of song! The following is reprinted from 'Traditional Songs and Singers' published by Comhaltas Ceoltóiri Éireann (1977?), where Séamus Mac Mathúna says: LONE SHANAKYLE
I was sure that this song had been "lost" as I had never heard more than a few lines of it in a score or more years; but when I met Michael Flanagan of Inagh in 1974 it was the first song on his lips. It comes from the Kilrush area of County Clare. Shanakyle (in Irish, SeanaChill) is the site of a graveyard outside Kilrush, and Inis Cathaigh is, of course, St. Senan's Island — also known as Scattery Island, on the Shannon. There is a passion and sincerity in Michael Flanagan's rendering which never fails to grip his lesteners; some lines paint a startling, even an appalling picture, e.g.- The parish of Kilrush and the surrounding areas were most grievous strucken during the famine years. A total of over 3,900 people died in the workhouse in Kilrush during the three years 1847-'49 and most of these were carted to a common famine pit in Shanakyle. The evidence can be seen in the graveyard to this day, and no amount of re-writing of Irish history can change these facts. Lone Shanakyle was written by thomas Madigan of Carnacalla, Kilrush (1797-1881) who was a scholar and poet, writing in both English and Irish and a friend of that other renowned West Clare scholar Eoghan 0 Comhrai. Lone Shanakyle was probably written during the 1860's, the last verse being inspired by the expected Fenian Rising. The air is a variant of the "Paistin Fionn" MICHAEL FLANAGAN of Ballyduffbeg, Inagh, Co. Clare, was 81 years of age when I recorded this song and some ten others from him in April 1974. Even at that age he is one of the best traditional singers I have heard. He sings with a heart and involvement which one might expect from a man of half his years.
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19 Sep 00 - 09:20 PM (#301102) Subject: RE: Irish song info request From: Noreen Click here for the lyrics to Soldier Soldier in the DT- all it says there is that it was collected by Sharp, and I have it listed elsewhere as English traditional. I'm pretty sure you'll find Teddy O'Neill and Star of the County Down if you do a forum search, but I'm off to bed now! Best of luck with your enquiries. Noreen |
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19 Sep 00 - 09:33 PM (#301104) Subject: RE: Irish song info request From: Noreen |
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19 Sep 00 - 11:32 PM (#301160) Subject: RE: Irish song info request From: Alice Claire, I'm curious. Where did you learn Lone Shanakyle? Did you have it on a recording or in a songbook, or did another singer teach it to you? It doesn't seem to be one widely recorded. Sounds like you have a good list going for your CD. |
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19 Sep 00 - 11:50 PM (#301171) Subject: RE: Irish song info request From: Alice Dervish, perhaps? I'm just looking at some of their albums. |
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20 Sep 00 - 09:28 PM (#301850) Subject: RE: Irish song info request From: GUEST,Claire Hi there, First of all, Thank you so much Noreen for looking into Lonely Shanakyle for me. Perhaps the 1960's date was a misprint on the cd (or maybe I copied the date down wrong). I am so glad to know when it was written, because I have wondered how those poignant lines could possibly have been written in retrospect (ie from the 1960's). Alice, Lonely Shanakyle was recorded by Deante and by Dirvish. My rendition is a bit different from both of them. After I learn a song, I try to put my own feeling and ornamentation into the song, so I don't listen to the recording very much after a certain point. Thank you for your encouragement about the song list. I only hope I can do the wonderful material justice. Our first recording date is the 30th. Yikes. Claire |
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20 Sep 00 - 09:46 PM (#301860) Subject: RE: Irish song info request From: Áine Dear Claire, Its Lone Shanakyle, not 'lonely'. Wouldn't want you to put the wrong name on your CD. What's the name of your group, by the way? -- Áine |
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21 Sep 00 - 01:25 PM (#302361) Subject: RE: Irish song info request From: GUEST,Claire My, but that would be embarrassing, wouldn't it. There are so many details to check on in the next few months. I suppose over time, I have just taken to calling it Lonely Shanakyle. My group is called Round the House. We play out of Tucson AZ, and have a web site (currently located on geocities) if your interested. I am relatively new to the genre (2 yrs), but the rest of the band has been playing for many years. I am very interested in talking to others that are working on Irish traditional singing styles. There is a lifetime of stuff to learn, but due to the performing nature of this band, I have had to jump right into this. Claire |
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21 Sep 00 - 03:35 PM (#302467) Subject: RE: Irish song info request From: GUEST,gordy4@audi4.fsnet.co.uk Can you help, I have been looking for a song for over 50yrs, My granddad used to sing it to me as a small boy,and used to say that there were more verses. One person thought it might be from Vaudeville, another a Irish folk song,others a sea shanty, Who knows??? It goes, Oh can anybody kindly tell me have they seen poor Billy Flynn. It is no joke his nose is broke and one eye in a sling. He hops about on a wooden leg,the thought of it makes me cry. He makes a little round hole in the mud as he goes and thats how we tell him by.. Any help welcome--Any idea's - web sites - Gordy |
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06 Sep 09 - 01:34 PM (#2717511) Subject: RE: Irish song info request From: smpc has anyone the words to Lone Shanakyle? |
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06 Sep 09 - 01:41 PM (#2717515) Subject: RE: Irish song info request From: GUEST,Peter Laban Far far from the isle of the holy and grand Where wild oxen fatten and brave men are banned All lowly and low in a far distant land Do I wander and pine for poor Erin Lonely and sad I roam, far from my island home Where the wild waves, surging foams, headlands appearing Clouded in silv'ry spray, thrashing through heaven's bright ray For the glory and pride of poor Erin Sweet, sweet Inis Cathaigh that's sacred and blessed A fit place for a saint or a warrior's rest O God that a bear should be best of his brood Who now bites your beauty my Erin How dearly I long to wander once more To the old ones I left round my own cabin door My blessings I give ten thousand times o'er With a prayer and a tear for poor Erin Sad, sad is my fate in weary exile Dark, dark are the night clouds round lone Shanakyle Your murdered sleep silently pile upon pile In the coffinless graves of poor Erin I am watching and praying through the length of the night For the grey dawn of freedom my signal to fight My rifle is ready my sabre is bright For to strike once again for poor Erin Lonely and sad I roam, far from my island home Where the wild waves, surging foams, headlands appearing Clouded in silvery spray, thrashing through heaven's bright ray For the glory and pride of poor Erin |
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06 Sep 09 - 01:47 PM (#2717520) Subject: RE: Irish song info request From: Willa Hi Clare Why not become a member? Doesn't cost anything and you can then exchange PMs (private messages) with other members. If you have no luck when using a title to search, try using a phrase from the song; that sometimes works |
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06 Sep 09 - 02:16 PM (#2717532) Subject: RE: Irish song info request From: smpc thanks now i can get down to work learning it!! ! |
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06 Sep 09 - 02:34 PM (#2717542) Subject: RE: Irish song info request From: Rog Peek Welcome Claire I have a song called 'My Dear Old Scartaglen' sung by 'Catriona' on a cd. 1st verse goes like this: Well now the day is dawned at last , when I must say farewell I can't look back for my bags are packed and I face the ocean swell It's sad to say I'm on my way, my sorrows now prevail As I bid adieu to the friends I knew, and my dear old Scartaglen. The CD called "Along The County Bounds" a compilation of songs and music from Cork and Kerry, was recorded for The Rathmore Social Action Group, all proceeds going to this organisaion. There are no details of the song, but there is a web site Rathmore sag and an email info@sag.ie Rathmore and Scartaglen are only a few miles apart, in the heart of Sliabh Luachra so even if this is not your song, they may very well be able to put you in touch with someone who has local knowledge of it. Best of Luck Rog |
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06 Sep 09 - 02:36 PM (#2717543) Subject: RE: Irish song info request From: GUEST,Peter Laban Take note of the date on OP |
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06 Sep 09 - 02:58 PM (#2717554) Subject: RE: Irish song info request From: Rog Peek Silly me! Still someone might be interested. Rog PS Not the first time I've done that, probably won't be the last! |
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08 Jun 20 - 05:02 PM (#4058224) Subject: RE: Irish song info request From: GUEST,Simon Oak Joe O'Connor posted a recording of this song on SoundCloud. |