20 Oct 00 - 07:37 AM (#323291) Subject: Lyr Add: PREAB SAN OL (in English) From: AKS It looks as if this fine piece of drinking song is not in the DT yet.
PREAB SAN OL(sp?)
Why spend your leisure bereft of pleasure
King Solomon's glory so famed in story
The huckster greedy he blinds the needy The Dubliners have made a 'bilingual' recording of it, Luke singing in English and Kiaran in Gaelic. My kind request now is: Has anybody got the Gaelic or/and possible additional verses? The book I got it from says it's been translated into E (I already have got the Finnish lyrics since I wrote them meself:-). Slán AKS |
20 Oct 00 - 10:50 PM (#323754) Subject: RE: Preab San Ol; lyr add & req From: MMario and does anyone have a midi? gif? |
21 Oct 00 - 04:24 AM (#323857) Subject: RE: Preab San Ol; lyr add & req From: JTT The words of this and of many other songs are in a popular song book published by Clo Iar Chonnachta (http://www.cic.ie) - they also publish some of the best Irish music - and I'm sure you can buy the book off their webpage. |
21 Oct 00 - 04:54 PM (#324122) Subject: RE: Preab San Ol; lyr add & req From: GUEST,Philippa see Irish songs site for two verses |
23 Oct 00 - 06:43 AM (#325173) Subject: RE: Preab San Ol; lyr add & req From: AKS Thanks for the links! As I was expecting, there seem to be more than two Gaelic verses also; the second verse on the Irish songs site is not the same as on the Dubliners' record (I can get that far with me veeerry little understanding of spoken Irish, King Solomon being mentioned and nothing of Spain or Gibraltar:-). Anything further, folks, perhaps? I've posted a midi file to Alan of A to be added onto the lot. AKS |
23 Oct 00 - 06:48 AM (#325178) Subject: RE: Preab San Ol; lyr add & req From: MartinRyan the air is also used for "In Praise of the CIty of Mullingar", which turned up in another thread. Regards |
26 Oct 00 - 08:35 PM (#328170) Subject: RE: Preab San Ol; lyr add & req From: Snuffy The tune of Preab San Ol is already in the DT for the song Dublin City (Union) by Donagh McDonagh (filename [DUBLCITY.) But I personally feel that it goes better to the tune of Boolavogue. AKS - I can give you a phonetic version of the Dubliner's second verse if you like, then maybe someone else could translate it into real Irish - and English! Ishamer thleave yer sa ga lily steerber, geegad gwisker gallerchroin Solomon creerner inner chollereer hole, knee vair shangaber dachonir galore O'Neill se tailshuch, ma shonongweeher, 'n slum na squealer, no slum'n chyo Mashi narishi neel bat neer skreerner, na varishiri vair chyle Preab San Ol. (The pronunciation/spelling is basically English, but 'ch' is always hard as in Scottish Loch, and 'thl' in line one is more like a Welsh 'LL'. And no, after more than thirty years of listening to it, apart from 'Solomon' and 'lily', I don't know what any of it means Wassail! V |
26 Oct 00 - 11:52 PM (#328304) Subject: Lyr Add: PREAB SAN ÓL (Riocard Bairéad) From: Áine PREAB SAN ÓL [Riocard Bairéad (c. 1714-1819)] Is iomaí slí sin do bhíos ag daoine Ag cruinniú píosaí is ag déanamh stóir, 'S a laghad a smaoiníos ar ghiorra a' tsaoil seo, Go mbeidh siad sínte faoi leac go fóill. Más tiarna tíre, diúc no rí thú, Ní rachaidh pingin leat 's tú 'dul faoin bhfód, Mar sin is dá bhrí sin, níl beart níos críonna Ná bheith go síoraí ag cur preab san ól. Tá dream de dhaoine le ba is le caoirigh, Ag dul chun aonaigh is 'fáil sochar mór, Á gcur chun cíbe is as sin chun mínligh, Sin pointí críonna feictear dhóibh. Tógaim fianaise ar an mbuíon seo, Go mbeidh siad sínte faoi leac go fóill. Mar sin is dá bhrí sin, níl beart níos críonna, Ná bheith go síoraí ag cur preab san ól. Is olc an tslí bheith ag ardú cíosa, Ag déanamh daoirse agus tribute mór, Ag cur na ndaoine ó theach 's ó dhídean, Ní faraoir atá cinnte dóibh, An té a níos sin, is dó is baolaí, A bheith in íochtar á bhruith is á dhó. Mar sin is dá bhrí sin, níl beart níos críonna, Ná bheith go síoraí ag cur preab san ól. An long ar sáile níl cuan ná cearda Nach gcaithfeadh cairde ar fud an domhain mhóir, Ó ríocht na Spáinne 'gus suas Gibraltar, 'Gus ins an áit a mbíonn an Grand Signiór, Le gach cargo ag líonadh málaí Ní choinneodh an bás uaidh uair nó dhó, Mar sin, a chairde, níl beart níos fearr dúinn Ná bheith mar táimid, ag cur preab san ól. |
23 Jul 01 - 05:04 PM (#512845) Subject: RE: Preab San Ol; lyr add & req From: Matt Woodbury/Mimosa From "A Bonnie Bunch of Roses" Songs of England Ireland & Scotland, Dan Milner & Paul Kaplan, pg 215, includes a verse: The shipmen trading in Spain and Aden Return well laden with corn and oil. And from Gibraltar their course they'll alter And steer for Malta and the Golden Horn. With easy motion, they sail life's ocean And ne'er a notion they'll soon run aground, So, lads and lasses for another round. The verse is short one line. Source is listed as "Learned from D. O'Sullivan, Songs of the Irish, and the singing of the Dubliners. If that's enough for anyone to supply the missing verse, it's been driving me nuts since I bought the book, and is one of the reasons I ended up here at Mudcat. Mimosa |
24 Jul 01 - 05:56 PM (#513783) Subject: RE: Preab San Ol; lyr add & req From: Áine Dearest Mimosa, The English verse you posted is a loose/poetic translation of the last verse in Irish that I posted. Hope that helps. Slán go fóill, Áine |
24 Jul 01 - 10:51 PM (#513980) Subject: RE: Preab San Ol; lyr add & req From: Matt Woodbury/Mimosa Áine, What would be the meaning of the missing line, then? The pattern seems to be missing the second to the last line of the verse.
I understand the inaccuracy of a poetic translation, that the number of syllables it takes to say something in one language is different for another, and that translated words seldom match the rhymes of the original. Does the translation come close to the meaning of the original, and if so, is there a phrase missing from the translation, or does it just need somting to fill like nonsense syllables? Mimosa |
24 Jul 01 - 11:03 PM (#513985) Subject: RE: Preab San Ol; lyr add & req From: Seamus Kennedy Mimosa: if you'll forgive the interruption, my rough translation (inaccurate, but keeping rhyme, metre and sensibility of the previous verses) goes: So Lads and lasses, because life passes, come fill your glasses for another round. All the best Seamus |
24 Jul 01 - 11:51 PM (#514015) Subject: RE: Preab San Ol; lyr add & req From: Áine A Shéamuis, Beautifully done, a chara chóir, maith thú. Mimosa - yeah, what Seamus said . . . ;-) Le meas, Áine |
25 Jul 01 - 09:11 AM (#514151) Subject: RE: Preab San Ol; lyr add & req From: Brían Riocard Bairéad (c. 1714-1819) wrote many satirical songs,this one encouraging the peasants not to give their "tribute" to the landlords because, after all, they couldn't take it with them anyway. I think there is some great stuff here. I might offer a translation from idiom laden Gaeilge of the lines Mimosa inquired about as: Therefore, Friends, isn't it a better plan Don't be as we are, pop right into the drink. Brían.
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25 Jul 01 - 10:25 AM (#514225) Subject: RE: Preab San Ol; lyr add & req From: Matt Woodbury/Mimosa Thank you, Thank you, Thank you. Now I can get to work on the song. Mimosa |
28 Jul 01 - 09:58 AM (#516621) Subject: RE: Preab San Ol; lyr add & req From: dbranno What a loverly thread! Always a fan of the Dubliners, I've enjoyed singing "Another Round ' for years and was so glad to find the extra Spain & Aden verse in Donald Sullivan's book 'Songs from the Irish' Another fine song in that collection which transliterates v. well is 'Sean O'Dwyer of the Glen' Sometimes though, I feel I'd love to know the gaelic!! but it's a fair few generations since my mob left the old place Still, it's good to see the music crosses time & space & language. LOL from the Brannigan |
29 Jul 01 - 10:13 AM (#517114) Subject: RE: Preab San Ol; lyr add & req From: McGrath of Harlow If anyone's looking for In Praise of Mullingar, which Martin Ryan mentioned, here is the link. It doesn't seem to be in the DT, but it ought to be. |
19 Aug 01 - 03:29 PM (#531272) Subject: RE: Preab San Ol; lyr add & req From: Liam's Brother Got back from 3 weeks on the road only to have my computer contract the SirCam32 virus. Mimosa, thanks for your PM. Seamus is entirely correct. That line must've been lost in typesetting. Nowadays, an author gives a publisher a disc. Back then, an author gave a publisher a pile of paper and a typesetter put his own spin on it.
All the best,
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20 Aug 01 - 09:40 AM (#531723) Subject: RE: Preab San Ol; lyr add & req From: AKS I seem to have missed this thread completely since my second posting (23-oct-00)! Shame on me! Thanks a plenty, kind folks (and humble apologies for the delay)!!! slán AKS |
13 Oct 05 - 05:39 PM (#1582630) Subject: RE: Preab San Ol; lyr add & req From: Mr Happy The additional verse given above has an erroneous transposition in it of some of the wording. 'The shipmen trading in Spain and Aden *Return well laden with corn and oil.* And from Gibraltar their course they'll alter And steer for Malta and the Golden Horn. With easy motion, they sail life's ocean And ne'er a notion they'll soon run aground, So, lads and lasses for another round.' The line *Return well laden with corn and oil.* should read *Return well laden with oil and corn * , then it rhymes with 'And steer for Malta and the Golden Horn.' |
03 Oct 07 - 09:55 AM (#2162701) Subject: RE: Preab San Ol; lyr add & req From: Mr Happy 'Preab San Ol'? Anyone have a translation of this title? |
03 Oct 07 - 12:39 PM (#2162809) Subject: RE: Preab San Ol; lyr add & req From: GUEST,maire-aine I was told once (by an Irish speaker) that it meant something like "jump into drinking". Maryanne |
03 Oct 07 - 12:51 PM (#2162813) Subject: RE: Preab San Ol; lyr add & req From: Ruth Archer Surely it just means "another round"? |
03 Oct 07 - 04:41 PM (#2163030) Subject: RE: Preab San Ol; lyr add & req From: Declan Another round is a poetic translation, not a literal one. Preab literally means to jump, but I'd say it basically means "Drink Up!" |
04 Oct 07 - 05:49 AM (#2163449) Subject: RE: ADD: Preab San Ol - request verses & Gaelic lyics From: Mr Happy Thanks y'all! I get the gist now, cheers! |
04 Nov 07 - 11:09 AM (#2186224) Subject: RE: ADD: Preab San Ol - request verses & Gaelic lyics From: Mr Happy http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=jyFoT7HgIr0 |
04 Nov 07 - 03:42 PM (#2186389) Subject: RE: ADD: Preab San Ol - request verses & Gaelic lyics From: MartinRyan It's an abbreviation of "Chur preab san ól!" which would translate as "move the drink along", roughly. The sense is, as suggested, "(Give us) Another round!". Go dté sibh slán! p.s. For the pedants among us, Dineen confirms the above. |
24 Jun 08 - 04:10 PM (#2373490) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Preab San Ol From: Mr Happy I'm seeking the dots for the tune. Tried the Session & JC's - no joy. Anyone know if the tune used by the Dubliners goes by another name? |
25 Jun 08 - 06:47 AM (#2373864) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Preab San Ol From: Mr Happy Anyone? |
25 Jun 08 - 06:50 AM (#2373865) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Preab San Ol From: pavane Mr Happy, There is a song to the same tune listed near the start of the thread, and also a MIDI, which could be turned into dots. The tune itself seems quite simple, maybe someone would like to write down the abc? |
26 Jul 08 - 08:32 AM (#2398248) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Preab San Ol From: GUEST (le Riocard Bairéad c. 1714-1819) Is iomaí slí sin do bhíos ag daoine Ag cruinniú píosaí is ag déanamh stóir, 'S a laghad a smaoiníos ar ghiorra a' tsaoil seo, Go mbeidh siad sínte faoi leac go fóill. Más tiarna tíre, diúc no rí thú, Ní rachaidh pingin leat 's tú 'dul faoin bhfód, Mar sin is dá bhrí sin, níl beart níos críonna Ná bheith go síoraí ag cur preab san ól. Tá dream de dhaoine le ba is le caoirigh, Ag dul chun aonaigh is 'fáil sochar mór, Á gcur chun cíbe is as sin chun mínligh, Sin pointí críonna feictear dhóibh. Tógaim fianaise ar an mbuíon seo, Go mbeidh siad sínte faoi leac go fóill. Mar sin is dá bhrí sin, níl beart níos críonna, Ná bheith go síoraí ag cur preab san ól. Is olc an tslí bheith ag ardú cíosa, Ag déanamh daoirse agus tribute mór, Ag cur na ndaoine ó theach 's ó dhídean, Ní faraoir atá cinnte dóibh, An té a níos sin, is dó is baolaí, A bheith in íochtar á bhruith is á dhó. Mar sin is dá bhrí sin, níl beart níos críonna, Ná bheith go síoraí ag cur preab san ól. An long ar sáile níl cuan ná cearda Nach gcaithfeadh cairde ar fud an domhain mhóir, Ó ríocht na Spáinne 'gus suas Gibraltar, 'Gus ins an áit a mbíonn an Grand Signiór, Le gach cargo ag líonadh málaí Ní choinneodh an bás uaidh uair nó dhó, Mar sin, a chairde, níl beart níos fearr dúinn Ná bheith mar táimid, ag cur preab san ól. |
26 Jul 08 - 09:49 AM (#2398271) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Preab San Ol From: MartinRyan GUEST Míle buíochais. Regards |
25 Jun 09 - 06:00 PM (#2664737) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Preab San Ol From: GUEST PREAB SAN OL Is iomaí slí siu a bhios ag daoine Ag cruinniú píosaí is ag déanamh stóir, Is a laghad a smaoinid ar ghiorra an tsaoil seo, Is go mbeidh siad sínte faoi leac go fóill. Más tiarna tíre, dióch nó rí thú, Ní cuirfear pighin leat 's tú ag dul faoin bhfod: Mar sin 's dá bhrí sin, nil beart níos críonna Ná bheith go síoraí ag cur preab san ól. Tá dream de dhaoine le ba is le caoirigh, Ag dul chun aonaigh 's ag fáil dohar mór, Dágeur chun cíbe agus as sin go mínligh – Poíntí críonna do feictear dhóibh. Ach déantar fianaise ar an mí seo Go mbéid ag caoineadhh is ag sileadh deor: Mar sin is dá bhrí sin, nil beart níòs críonna Ná bheith go síoraí ag cur preab san ól. An ceannaí craosach nil meon ná slí ar bith Le ór a dhéanamh nach bhfeictear dhó, An ráta is daoire ar anearra is saoire, Is ar luach sé phinge de cuirfeadh c'Soróin; 'S do réir chaint Chriosta is ni do-dhéanta An camall cíocrach 'thabhairt tríd an geró; Mar sin 's dá bhrí sin, nil beart níos críonna Ná bheith go síoraí ag cur preab san ól. Is gearr an saol tá ag an lílí sciamhach Cé gur buí agus gur geal a ghabháil, Is Solamh críonna ina chulaith riúil Nach bhfuil baol air in áille dhó. Nil satsaol seo ach mar soinneán gaoithe, Ga a scaoiltear nó slám de cheo: Mar sin 's dá bhrí sin, nil beart níos críonna Ná bheith go síoraí ag cur preab san ól. Found in 'the Irish Socialist' 1970 Similar, but different. |
29 Sep 09 - 06:06 PM (#2734537) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Preab San Ol From: GUEST http://www.daltai.com/discus/messages/20/44769.html?1254248493 |
29 Sep 09 - 06:09 PM (#2734542) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Preab San Ol From: GUEST 1 Is ıomḋa slıġe do ḃíos ag daoıne Ag cruınnıuġaḋ píġınne ıs ag déanaṁ stóır, Is luıġead a ċuıṁnıġear do réır an tsaoġaıl seo, Go mbeıḋ sıad sínte faoı lıc go fóıll. Más tiġearna tıre, Rí nó Duke ṫú, Ní raċarḋ píġınn leat fá'n ḃfód, Mar sın, dá ḃrıġ sın, níl beart níos críonna 'Ná ḃeıṫ go síorruıḋe ag cur preab san ól. 2 Tá dream de ḋaoınıḃ le ba ıs le caoırıḃ 'Gá gcur ċun aonaıġ, ag faġáıl soċaır ṁóır, 'Gá gcur ar cíbe ıs as sın ar mínleac, Poınntí críonna do feıcṫear ḋóıḃ Tógaım fıaḋnaıse ar an mbuıḋean so Go mbeıḋ a' caoıneaḋ ıs a' sılead deór, Mar sın, dá ḃrıġ sın, níl beart níos críonna 'Ná ḃeıṫ go síorruıḋe ag cur preab san ól. 3 An ceannuıġe cınnte níl maoın ná slıġe ar bıṫ Ar ór a ḋéanam naċ ḃfeıcṫear ḋó, An ráta is daoıre ar an earraḋ is saoıre, Is ar luaċ na pıġne go gcuırfeaḋ coróın; Do réır ċaınnt Ċrıosta is níḋ do-ḋéanta Cámall oıllteaċ do ṫaḃaırt tré ċró, Mar sın, dá ḃrıġ sın, níl beart níos críonna 'Ná ḃeıṫ go síorruıḋe ag cur preab san ól. 4 Aċt sıúd é an Críostaıḋe tá láġaċ le daoıne, Maxwell dílıs tá 'na ċeannṗórt, Naċ gcuırfeaḋ bısıuġaḋ an ṗórt dá saoṫruġaḋ, Agus ḃaınfeaḋ a ḃríste do 'Tóny Ṁór, 'Sé a ṗléısıúr saoġalta de tó ıs d'oıḋċe, Cruınnıú saoıṫeaṁaıl ḃeıṫ aıge ar bórd, Punch is fíon a ṫaḃaırt dóıḃ go líonṁar, Cóṁráḋ saoıṫeaṁaıl agus preab san ól. 5 An long ar sáıle nıl cuan ná ceárd Náċ gcaıṫfeaḋ cáırde ar fuaıd an doṁaın ṁóır, Ó ríoġac't na Spáınne go Gıbráltar, Is an áıt a ḃíoḋ an Grand Seıgnıór, Le lastaí áıseaċ' ag líonaḋ málaí Náċ gconḃóċ an bár uarḋ ḋá uaır de'n ló, Mar sın, a ċárde, níl beart níos feárr ḋúınn 'Ná ḃeıṫ mar tá sınn, ag cur preab san ól. 6 Is olc an tslıġe a ḃeıṫ ag árdú cíosa, A' déanaṁ daoırse, agus trıbute mór, A' cur na ndaoıne ó ṫeaċ ıs ó ḋídean-- Níḋ, faraoın! atá cınnte ḋóıḃ, An té do-ġní so ıs dó ıs baoġluıġe, A ḃeıṫ 'ġá íosbaırt 'ġá ḃruıṫ 's 'ġá ḋóġaḋ, Mar sın, dá ḃrıġ sın, níl beart níos críonna 'Ná ḃeıṫ go síorruıḋe ag cur preab san ól. 7 Is meara ċoıḋċe 'ná ḃeıṫ ag árduġaḋ cíosa, Gan an deaċṁaḋ a ṡuıḋeaċan mar is cóır, Taḃaırt saoṫar Críostaıḋe gan ḃláṫ gan ḃuıḋeaċas Don ċléır náċ ndéanann aon tsaoṫar dóıḃ, Ní hé Críosta d'órdaıġ an dlıġe so, Ní hé Peadar a ṁínıġ é ná Pól. Mar sın, dá ḃrıġ sın, níl beart níos críonna 'Ná ḃeıṫ go síorruıḋe ag cur preab san ól. 8 Is geárr an saoġal a ḃíos ag an lılí sgíoṁaċ, Gıḋ gur buıḋe ıs gur geal a ċoróın Solaṁ crínna ına ċulaıḋ ríoġaṁaıl Níl sé ı ngaoḃar ḃeıṫ coṁ nıaṁḋa leo, Níl sa tsaoġal so aċt mar sıonán gaoıṫe. An gaṫ 'ġá sgaoıleaḋ nó slam den gceó, Mar sın, dá ḃrıġ sın, níl beart níos críonna 'Ná ḃeıṫ go síorruıḋe ag cur preab san ól. Rıocard Baıréad. |
18 Aug 12 - 07:29 AM (#3391754) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Preab San Ol From: GUEST,Dan Dan Johnny Pheig Sheamuis Pheadaí Con The last rendition is the right one. No doubt about it. |
28 Jun 13 - 10:16 AM (#3531291) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Preab San Ol From: GUEST,jeremy You guys are amazing. I hear a line of a song. I go straight to mudcat and you geniuses tell me everything I need to know. Thanks so much. I have done the same a thousand times and have all the facts to introduce a song before I perform it! Brilliant!! |
03 Apr 14 - 06:11 AM (#3614787) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Preab San Ol From: Mr Happy Riocard Bairead 1714-1819?? After performing this great song last night, glancing at my song notes - that the writer's life seemed an unusually long one, given the average lifespan in the 18th - 19th centuries. According to the dates given here, 1714-1819, would make him 105 years old when he died. Further research has revealed this Riocard Bairéad & also the answer to another query of how the name would be pronounced. |
03 Apr 14 - 06:42 AM (#3614798) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Preab San Ol From: MartinRyan Vallely's Companion to Irish Traditional Music confirms the 1740-1819 dates given in Wikipedia. Looks (or sounds, rather) like a mishearing. Regards |
03 Apr 14 - 07:38 AM (#3614826) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Preab San Ol From: Mr Happy Martin, Yes & as an unfortunate aspect of 'the folk process' the error's perpetuated in manifold publications |