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24 Oct 00 - 04:07 PM (#326304) Subject: Your favourite artist? NO NAMES. From: The Shambles Trouble remembering names?
Following on from the above thread, this one is for those who do not need to use names and who can make it perfectly clear who they are talking about by describing, their appearance, their partners, their instrument. What kind of dog they own, where they live, who they are not and many other weird and wonderful details……………It usually works eventually but can get a little complicated, if not a little surreal, if they get one or more of those facts slightly wrong. ………….This thread may also be a good exercise for those who know such people and spend a lot of their time trying to work out who they are talking about?
Here goes…… That Scottish chap, with the funny name that sounds like a cough, you know him, I can see him now. Talks a lot between songs and breaks a lot of strings. You know, used to be in that band, years ago, with that other Scottish bloke what plays the fiddle. They were called 'Something of the something' or something. He reminds me a bit of my Uncle Jim, but without the squint. You must know him, very political, nice bloke too………… |
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24 Oct 00 - 04:20 PM (#326313) Subject: RE: Your favourite artist? NO NAMES. From: mousethief Well, Sham, you've lost me. My favorite artist moved from Scotland to the south of England as a child, then to London at the tender age of 19. He made his name in the "folk scene" of London in the early 70's, being one of the first --or at least most notorious-- singer/songwriters to use the "f" word on an album. He later switched from writing primarily love songs to songs with historical themes, one of which was dubbed "British Pie" by the press for covering post-war British history in a manner somewhat reminiscent to "American Pie." He had a very short string of #1 hits in the USA in the mid-to-late 70's. He moved to the USA (near L.A.) shortly thereafter, and has been quietly putting out albums of quality folk-rock ever since. Is this the sort of thing you mean?
"I came up to London when I was 19
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24 Oct 00 - 05:29 PM (#326361) Subject: RE: Your favourite artist? NO NAMES. From: Morticia Shambles.....I think you mean Dick Gaughan,yes? Mine would be that chap, you know the one......had the wife called Linda, did a lot of stuff with her, was in lots of different bands.....you KNOW.....ordinary looking, dead good guitarist, British, I think.....wrote lots of stuff that other people do now?Oh, what's his name, it's on the tip of me wotsit. |
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24 Oct 00 - 05:37 PM (#326367) Subject: RE: Your favourite artist? NO NAMES. From: Rick Fielding Gotcha Sham. Yep, I love that "ordinary" guy, you know the one from the "something of fame". And can't forget "the physician who kept all those crime notes" Oh and who could forget that "bobby" and his "penis"? (i'm not being scatalogical...just following the rules) Oops, and the "Venitian" guy with the "two penises"!! I better get outta here before I get in trouble....but trust me they're all great musicians! Rick |
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24 Oct 00 - 05:49 PM (#326380) Subject: RE: Your favourite artist? NO NAMES. From: Little Hawk Absolutely as simple as falling off a greased tightrope. He's got hair that looks like he was dragged through a hedge backwards. He's got a Jewish nose that gets larger and larger as the years go by. He's lookin' really OLD now, but still plays a stunning show almost every time. Numerous fools with short attention span have accused him of being unable to sing, and of singing songs that are "too long". Numerous other fools have asserted that his songs from the 60's are all about drugs. Some people ask his son Jakob why he changed his surname (he didn't!!!, but his dad did). George Coventry (me) grew up in a place which bears the same name as His original surname, and it's near Milton, Ontario. He grew up not far south of the Canadian border, in a mining town. And so on... Now amuse me by naming the wrong guy...go ahead. Is it Freddy Fender...no. Is it Wayne Newton...no. It's....(drum roll, please)..... |
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24 Oct 00 - 06:00 PM (#326397) Subject: RE: Your favourite artist? NO NAMES. From: Wesley S ONE of my favorites plays mandolin, guitar, bouzouki, and sometimes fiddle. He's released several CD's with his sister but he got his start playing bluegrass with a band that was named after a phrase from the Martha White flour package. He's from an Irish background. He doesn't put out the same CD twice. Recent releases have been jazzy, old time, celtic-bluegrass mix, and a duet CD with one of Guy Clarks guitarists. O' I wonder who it could be??? |
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24 Oct 00 - 06:01 PM (#326399) Subject: RE: Your favourite artist? NO NAMES. From: mousethief One needn't have a short attention span to realize that Robert Zimmerman can't sing.
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24 Oct 00 - 06:10 PM (#326412) Subject: RE: Your favourite artist? NO NAMES. From: Mrs.Duck Big woman from Yorkshire/ husband and daughter in the same business and often the same band. Some blues, some jazz, lots of very traditional English stuff. |
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24 Oct 00 - 06:11 PM (#326414) Subject: RE: Your favourite artist? NO NAMES. From: catspaw49 Guy was a pretty fair singer but had a real country kind of untrained and unrefined voice. Helluva' good picker and worked a good bit with MJH and even produced some stuff at the end. Wrote some fine songs that he shared with Buffy and Peter and vice versa. Didn't like the way things were going back in the 70's and sorta' disappeared. He does a lot of bagpipe work now, both playing and writing some stuff for the Smithsonian. Spaw |
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24 Oct 00 - 08:15 PM (#326546) Subject: RE: Your favourite artist? NO NAMES. From: Little Hawk You're wrong, Alex. Dylan can (or could) sing like so many WISH they could...just ask some musicians (not that I'm suggesting you are NOT a musician...I don't know what your occupation is). Ask Bruce Springsteen for a definitive opinion on it. Or were you just being funny? And now...I got a PM complaining about my saying that Mr. Bob has a "Jewish nose". Well, by gum, here was part of my answer to that... Bob Dylan is a Jew. Therefore he literally has a Jewish nose. So is Leonard Cohen, and ditto. I love both of them dearly. (Not that a "Jewish nose" need necessarilly be of any specific dimension...). I made the statement AFFECTIONATELY!!! I love Bob Dylan. I am a mix of Scottish and Czech. I would not be offended to hear someone say that I have a Scottish nose or a Czech nose. I do not regard "Jewish nose" as a pejorative expression, because I see Jews the same way I see other people...exactly the same. Maybe you do not? If so, maybe it's your problem, not mine. Follow me? I always noticed that Red Cloud, for example, had a superb "Indian nose" or maybe you prefer "Native North American nose". He did. Nothing pejorative about it at all. It's a well recognized feature seen on many Native Americans, especially males of certain "tribal" groups (and, yes, I know that some of you don't like the word "tribe" either, so say "nation" or something, but leave me alone about it). If I could only convey to you how much I respect and admire Bob Dylan, for God's sake...I like his nose, and I like his Jewishness. I like his Jewish mysticism and his Jewish chutzpah. Get real, man! I do not like Zionism at present very much, but that's a political issue. I like Jews just fine. Period. I have largely avoided inflammatory postings on the Middle East, because, frankly it's a can of worms, and people's hatred around it is so extreme that I would rather not be bothered with it. Ditto for Northern Ireland. I feel for all the helpless victims on both sides of each of those issues. I like Jews. I admire Jews. I respect Jews. I do not place them on any higher a pedestal than anybody else, but on the same level exactly. Everyone bleeds the same way. No one is better than anyone else. If you can't handle that, get a life. Isaiah might have some words to straighten you out. Cheers, George Coventry
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24 Oct 00 - 08:19 PM (#326551) Subject: RE: Your favourite artist? NO NAMES. From: GUEST,mousethief There is no accounting for taste. You can like Dylan's voice, we can hate it, and we can all get along. My wife hates Bruce Cockburn's voice, but likes his songs when I sing them. I know it's hard for Dylan fans to come to grips with the fact that some people don't like his voice. They are always defending him and "proving" that he's a great singer by quoting people like springsteen to show that he really does have a good voice. Look, it's okay for us to disagree, see? It's just silly to insist that everybody else in the world like Dylan's voice just because you do. And I'm with you on the Jewish Nose thing. He has a Jewish nose because he's Jewish and it's his nose. Besides, one needn't hate a particular people group to notice that they sometimes have physical features in common. That's really political correctness carried to a foolish extreme.
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24 Oct 00 - 08:29 PM (#326558) Subject: RE: Your favourite artist? NO NAMES. From: Matt_R LH, I really like Dylan's voice. In this rough time I'm going through, Dylan's Blood On The Trax is one of the things that's getting me by. I've had the tape for a few months now, but just listened to the 2nd side last night. I gotts ask you, is "Lily, Rosemary, and The Jack of Hearts" just the greatest song, or WHAT?! --Matt |
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24 Oct 00 - 09:16 PM (#326601) Subject: RE: Your favourite artist? NO NAMES. From: Little Hawk Matt - yeah, it's one of the greatest ballads ever written. One magazine survey picked "Blood On The Tracks" as the "greatest rock album of all time". Don't worry, I was not on the panel that chose it. Bob was going through a lot when he did that one, and it is one of his 3 or 4 greatest albums, for me. By the way, the person who PM'ed me on the "nose" thing threatened to ignore all my future postings if I didn't post a retraction. How about that, eh? Talk about a MAJOR threat (I'm being sarcastic here). I've had one or two people in my actual life threaten not to talk to me ever again...they were both close relatives...my father and my mother, on different occasions. All they wanted to do was intimidate me, and get control of the situation the way they wanted it. I called their bluff on both occasions, and we are still talking to this day. Much ado about nothing. (They were objecting to my choice of a girlfriend, if you can believe it! The girlfriend proved easier to survive in the long run than my erstwhile family, I'd have to say...but we are still talking.) It's astonishing to me that my deep affection for Mr. Bob Dylan can cause someone to think I am insulting Jews, but that's what happens sometimes when people don't know a person yet, but only read what's on the screen in front of them, and draw some fast conclusions. I have no doubt made similar errors when getting upset at various postings. I once took Sophocleese dead seriously when she was just being ironical, for example, congratulated her on her point, and expanded upon it. I was later astonished to find out that she was making fun of the position I thought she was defending. |
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24 Oct 00 - 09:22 PM (#326605) Subject: RE: Your favourite artist? NO NAMES. From: Matt_R I'd have been on that panel too, LH. Love the drums & bass on the album...keeps you bouncing the whole way. |
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24 Oct 00 - 11:57 PM (#326679) Subject: RE: Your favourite artist? NO NAMES. From: GUEST,khandu I have more than one, but I'll list less than three. Scottish guy, plays multi instruments. Sometimes too commercial. Plays in band with a man's name. Called by some as "The Fruit with a flute", tho I think he is not fruity. Released great solo effort, dances with God and knows the secret language of birds. Black man, "rediscovered" in '63. Couldn't find his monday morning shoes. May have left them in Avalon, his hometown. khandu |
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25 Oct 00 - 12:16 AM (#326694) Subject: RE: Your favourite artist? NO NAMES. From: Rich(bodhránai gan ciall) Wesley, I just saw the guy you speak of on Saturday, with a bearded fella who played guitar and a little mandolin, they like to play in real time(cheat). Great show, I wish I could remember their names. There was a fellow outside of town who ran a Moose Lodge near here. If he was still around, I'm sure he'd remember their names. OK, It's almost too easy to say I like the band from Donegal with the 2 fiddles. Used to have a flute, now an accordian. One fiddler redefines the word "singing" in two languages. Without even going into the incredible rhythm section of a fine guitarist and wonderful bouzouki player, you know who I mean. Rich, that senseless guy who plays that banjo head masquerading as a drum of some sort, the type of drum with the "d" in the middle of it for no good reason. |
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25 Oct 00 - 08:05 AM (#326840) Subject: RE: Your favourite artist? NO NAMES. From: Whistle Stop A Texan, and no stranger to hard times, generally of his own making. Known as a great songwriter but difficult to get along with, and with a self-destructive streak that has sometimes gotten the best of him. Having spent some time in prison himself, he is an advocate of prisoners' rights and a staunch opponent of the death penalty. Thinks Townes Van Zandt was the greatest songwriter of all, and is willing to stand on Bob Dylan's coffee table in his cowboy boots and say so. With his back to the riser he'll make his stand. |
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25 Oct 00 - 08:45 AM (#326873) Subject: RE: Your favourite artist? NO NAMES. From: The Shambles Rick
"Elementary my dear Wilson".
Need some more help on the others thought, what with all them penis's? Willie or Dicks Does anyone else know who he means? |
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25 Oct 00 - 12:52 PM (#327052) Subject: RE: Your favourite artist? NO NAMES. From: Bert First we heard of this little guy he was diggin' his potatoes on the flipside of some Dixieland Jazz single. His voice was OK. but his real talent lay in 'performing' a song and connecting with his audience. He went on to introduce the wonders of American Folk Music to a whole generation. And made himself quite a bundle at the same time. |
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25 Oct 00 - 03:13 PM (#327138) Subject: RE: Your favourite artist? NO NAMES. From: Steve Latimer Okay, so Dylan doesn't have the greatest voice, but he sure can sing a song. Mbo, nice to ahve something to agree on for once. Blood on the Tracks is my favourite Dylan album. Lilly, Rosemary and the Jack of Hearts being one of my favourite tunes he ever did, although as much as I'd like to say it's the greatest song ever, I'm not sure it's even the best on that CD. And that's not taking any thing away from the song. Khandu, Ian Anderson and Missippi John Hurt. 'Spaw, That must be Patrick Sky. |
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25 Oct 00 - 03:22 PM (#327147) Subject: RE: Your favourite artist? NO NAMES. From: Little Hawk Here's one. He is the greatest living writer of Western songs, IMO. Not "country and western". Western. He started singing in the 50's, was one half of a hugely influential folk duo in the 60's, wrote his first and most famous song about a weather phenomenon (in a sense), lives in Alberta, and usually wears a ten gallon hat. He said, "If that little squirt (Dylan) can write songs, so can I," and proceeded to do so, but he never matched Dylan's yearly output of great songs, as he has freely admitted. Still, he's one of the best. |
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25 Oct 00 - 03:35 PM (#327163) Subject: RE: Your favourite artist? NO NAMES. From: Steve Latimer Little Hawk, Ian Tyson? |
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25 Oct 00 - 05:22 PM (#327221) Subject: RE: Your favourite artist? NO NAMES. From: GUEST,Kernow Jon Bert Was his old man a dustman by any chance? KJ |
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25 Oct 00 - 05:23 PM (#327222) Subject: RE: Your favourite artist? NO NAMES. From: Bert He sure was KJ. |
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25 Oct 00 - 05:25 PM (#327226) Subject: RE: Your favourite artist? NO NAMES. From: GUEST,Kernow Jon Alex Am right in thinking "it grew to be less like f***ing and more like making love"? KJ |
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25 Oct 00 - 05:27 PM (#327231) Subject: RE: Your favourite artist? NO NAMES. From: mousethief Is that a great line or what? The song, however, tends to drag on after the first 22 minutes.... You really pay your dues before you get the payout, so to speak.
Alex |
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25 Oct 00 - 05:33 PM (#327236) Subject: RE: Your favourite artist? NO NAMES. From: The Shambles Oh that bloke with the blonde hair and the titght trousers. Used to sing Sailing..........Rod Stewart? |
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25 Oct 00 - 05:37 PM (#327242) Subject: RE: Your favourite artist? NO NAMES. From: mousethief Them's fightin' words, Sham!
Alex |
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25 Oct 00 - 05:47 PM (#327256) Subject: RE: Your favourite artist? NO NAMES. From: Robo Short guy, windy city. --Rob-o |
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25 Oct 00 - 07:51 PM (#327369) Subject: RE: Your favourite artist? NO NAMES. From: GUEST,khandu Out of place, out of date, in his own world, in his white suit, in his straw hat. Is that a kazoo? Naw, its his mouth. Going up the lazy river to do a bittersweet waltz. Let me down, he did; did a detergent commercial. Dr John and he were a hoot with Frosty! |
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25 Oct 00 - 08:59 PM (#327430) Subject: RE: Your favourite artist? NO NAMES. From: John Hardly You know. He's that guy who plays on that, you know, radio show with the tall goober who makes up stories about Minnesota. Can pick anything from jazz, folk, pop, even make fingerstyle sound like flatpicking. Hell of a good writer too. Love his voice and it just keeps getting better. |
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26 Oct 00 - 06:06 AM (#327632) Subject: RE: Your favourite artist? NO NAMES. From: GUEST,Roger the skiffler Bert, wasn't he the best selling UK artist before the Beatles , "retired" to Spain with heart trouble but still keeps coming back for more and wows 'em at festivals (pop,folk or jazz) every time he appears? Inspired a whole generation, including yours truly, to look at the roots of his music. RtS (whose ignarance is only exceeded by his arrogance) |
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26 Oct 00 - 06:23 AM (#327634) Subject: RE: Your favourite artist? NO NAMES. From: GUEST,Roger the skiffler Khandu, that must be Leon Redbone, another of my favourites (also did a commercial for British Rail!). RtS |
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26 Oct 00 - 07:05 AM (#327641) Subject: RE: Your favourite artist? NO NAMES. From: GUEST,Patrish Chap with a grey beard, plays a sort plinky plonky type of instrument and sometimes a squeaky one and sometimes a scrapey one, emm, all very well. And he sings with a sort of bluesy voice, and he's a geordie, and he has a grey beard and his initials have an unfortunate link with the mudcat Patrish |
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26 Oct 00 - 09:16 AM (#327693) Subject: RE: Your favourite artist? NO NAMES. From: catspaw49 Rob-O.......Would that be a buddy and sometime song writing partner of the ex-mailman with the "illegal smile?" Spaw |
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26 Oct 00 - 09:28 AM (#327700) Subject: RE: Your favourite artist? NO NAMES. From: bill\sables Patrish, Is the person you are describing realy who I think it is, It can't be the bloke who knows Allan C can it. Cheers Bill |
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26 Oct 00 - 10:24 AM (#327734) Subject: RE: Your favourite artist? NO NAMES. From: GUEST,Pat Yes indeedy Bill - you got it in one. Patrish |
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26 Oct 00 - 10:40 AM (#327753) Subject: RE: Your favourite artist? NO NAMES. From: Jeri No fair! Shambles started off with the one I'd post! Rick's #3 is the guy who supposedly sold his soul at an intersection somewhere. His #4 I don't get, but I'm pretty sure he couldn't read music and his first name was a question. Last name might be something that rhymes with that of a notorious US president, but I'm not sure. Mrs Duck is, I think, referring to the woman who's married to a guy who plays guitar very well and used to be in a folk-rock band. a couple of American musicians had a hit with (mostly) his arrangement of a song. Oh, this guy's real name was Jimmie Miller. He wrote some great songs and frequently sang with his finger in his ear. He was married to a woman who's related to a guy who plays a disappearing banjo and who sometimes sings with another guy who had a funny first name and wrote a humorous song about a massacre and who's father was famous and wrote a serious song about a massacre that was removed from the DT because the publishers are anal-retentive and think someone may feel compelled to give them money to get the lyrics even though a chunk of people in the known universe have the song on a recording by somebody, another chunk has it in a songbook, and portions of the above chunks actually sing it themselves. |
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26 Oct 00 - 11:27 AM (#327788) Subject: RE: Your favourite artist? NO NAMES. From: mousethief John Hardly -- you mean Kottke?
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26 Oct 00 - 03:00 PM (#327939) Subject: RE: Your favourite artist? NO NAMES. From: Whistle Stop John, I was thinking Pat Donohue. Who's right -- mousethief or me? |
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26 Oct 00 - 03:49 PM (#327982) Subject: RE: Your favourite artist? NO NAMES. From: kendall He's that old guy..lives out west. Used to bum around the country. Never wrote a bad song. Never incorporated the line ..yeah yeah baby, dont mean maybe.. his songs make sense. He is also a great story teller, and he's very funny.Plays an old beat up Guild. |
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26 Oct 00 - 03:56 PM (#327993) Subject: RE: Your favourite artist? NO NAMES. From: Robo Right on Catspaw49, they're two and the same! |
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26 Oct 00 - 08:25 PM (#328156) Subject: RE: Your favourite artist? NO NAMES. From: Little Hawk Steve - Right. Ian Tyson. - LH |
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26 Oct 00 - 08:46 PM (#328181) Subject: RE: Your favourite artist? NO NAMES. From: John Hardly You got it Whistle stop--John |
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26 Oct 00 - 10:58 PM (#328271) Subject: RE: Your favourite artist? NO NAMES. From: Little Hawk Here's another. She's female. Did original material only. I don't think she's released an album just lately, but she did several in the 80's to early 90's. She has an unusual surname, I think it may be Arabic. Her lyrics are extraordinary...unlike anyone else. Her voice is rather deep-toned, and her singing tuneful but a bit unconventional. I think she is from the United Kingdom. Her first and last name have 3 syllables each. She has dark hair and is kind of exotic looking, not a sex symbol type but beautiful in a dignified way. Her songs sometimes sound almost classical at times and are quite intelligent and not very commercial at all. Not just your average songwriter. One song she had on the radio in the late 80's had a notable oboe part in it. |
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27 Oct 00 - 03:34 AM (#328376) Subject: RE: Your favourite artist? NO NAMES. From: GUEST,Roger the skiffler "Jimmy Miller"'s daughter by his first marriage is a folksy pop singer and he also had a long relationship with Theatre Workshop's Joan Littlewood. RtS |
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27 Oct 00 - 04:01 AM (#328382) Subject: RE: Your favourite artist? NO NAMES. From: Amergin Jimmy Miller was Ewan MacColl....right? This guy at one time was in an Irish band with a funny name....he had some problems with the drink and has since cleaned up...His first name at least Stateside is an effeminate one.....and he sang this wonderful song about riding a horse... Amergin |
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27 Oct 00 - 01:38 PM (#328621) Subject: RE: Your favourite artist? NO NAMES. From: Jim Krause Amergin, Christy Something-or-other. Ah, the name Christy Moore comes to mind? Is that right? Theah's this fellah who's a down east Yankee. Weahs a cowboy hat all the time, at least on stage he does. Funny thing tho' when ya talk to him, he don't seem ta have muchuva New England accent. Personally, I think he's kinda shy. Pleasant fellah, tho'. Hasn't had a hit in quite a few yeahs. Don't know why. He can still write 'em like he useta. Weahs a beard and glasses. I remembah thinkin' he might be tallah by quite a bit than he actually is. I reckon he might be in his mid fifties neah abouts. Saw him up in Omaha a coupla yeahs ago, and had the whole crowd singin' along at one time. He's good at that, ehyuh. Just can't think o' his name right off hand. |
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27 Oct 00 - 02:39 PM (#328666) Subject: RE: Your favourite artist? NO NAMES. From: Jeri Amergin - bingo! Kendall, the guy is a bit wobbly and likes trains, right? |
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28 Oct 00 - 08:02 AM (#329119) Subject: RE: Your favourite artist? NO NAMES. From: kendall Soddy, that must be Bill Staines..Jeri, you got it, Utah Phillips. |
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28 Oct 00 - 02:58 PM (#329274) Subject: RE: Your favourite artist? NO NAMES. From: Little Hawk refresh |