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28 Nov 00 - 12:36 PM (#347559) Subject: Missing Tunes Wanted-part V From: MMario the previous four threads were getting too long - (see part four)
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28 Nov 00 - 12:51 PM (#347569) Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted-part V From: MMario 795) DANNY'S SONG- from J_I_B; midi sent to Alan, NWC to DickG 1942) KENTUCKY WALTZ - midi sent from Mary In Kentucky to Alan NOV 20/00 2233) THE MAID OF NEWFOUNDLAND - midi sent to alan;nwc to dickg from J_I_B - nov 28 2287) MAURICE CROTTY - two midi sent to alan, NWC sent to Dick nov 28 from John_in_brisbane 3466) THE TOBACCO SONG - midi sent to alan from JIB nov 28;nwc to dick the "no tune" file and the "found tune" file have been updated. |
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30 Nov 00 - 01:05 PM (#349015) Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted-part V From: MMario 866) DIE STEM VAN SUID-AFRIKA -midi sent to alan - NWC file to DickG 3433) THE THREE FLOWERS - midi from J_I_B; forward to alan, NWC to DickG. 1031) EVE OF DESTRUCTION -midi found by JIB forwarded to alan; NWC file to DickG. no tune file updated, found tune file updated. anyone that wants copies can PM or e-mail me at lpola@edutech.org; etc. etc. etc. for a futher explanation see Joe Offer's very concise and clear explanation |
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30 Nov 00 - 04:34 PM (#349156) Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted-part V From: MMario 2132) LO HOW A ROSE E'ER BLOOMING- midi sent to Alan , NWC to Dick by IvanB Nov 30 - file lorose 223) BALLIN' THE JACK - midi sent to alan of oz nov 30 634) CHRISTMAS IN THE TRENCHES- midi sent to Alan , NWC to Dick by IvanB Nov 30 - file xmastren 3678) WEXFORD LULLABY - midi sent to Alan , NWC to Dick by IvanB Nov 30 - file wexlull files updated.
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01 Dec 00 - 01:56 PM (#349719) Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted-part V From: MMario 865) DIE GUTE KAMERAD- MIDI FOUND BY WOLFGANG - sent to Alan dec 1/00; nwc to dickg 1036) EVERY STAR SHALL SING A CAROL - removed from DT at publishers request 1092) FAREWELL TO FUNERY - midi found by Wolfgang sent to Alan, NWC to Dickg. Dec 1/00 2213) MACCRIMMON'S LAMENT - nwc file sent to dick g from mid found by wolfgang. files updated to reflect above plus other sites wolfgang found I cannot get to - or sites of audio clips where those capable could transcribe by ear. |
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03 Dec 00 - 10:12 AM (#350680) Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted-part V From: Snuffy I have posted ABCs of the following Kipper Family songs to Tune Add: Kipper Family (+ Lyr corr), and also sent midis to Alan of Oz. 920 DOVER STRAND 1035 EVERY MAN 1062 FALL DEE RAY 2931 RIGHT UP THE MIDDLE 3074 SATISFY ME 3242 SOUTHRUPS WASSAIL SONG 3512 THE TRUNCH WASSAIL SONG Wassail! V |
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03 Dec 00 - 07:16 PM (#350841) Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted-part V From: MMario yes!!!!! more tunes and Wassail tunes at that! yeepee! |
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04 Dec 00 - 09:37 AM (#351033) Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted-part V From: MMario files updated. |
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09 Dec 00 - 07:12 PM (#354195) Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted-part V From: Snuffy 1930 KEEP YOR FEET STILL GEORDIE HINNEY - abc & miditext posted to Tune Add: Please Post Tunes Here -2 Wassail! V
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12 Dec 00 - 09:49 AM (#355648) Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted-part V From: MMario file updated |
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13 Dec 00 - 02:04 PM (#356521) Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted-part V From: MMario 3526) TURN, TURN, TURN or TO EVERYTHING THERE IS A SEASON - midi sent to alan, NWC to JOe 3726) WHEN THE STARS BEGIN TO FALL - nwc to joe; midi sent to alan w/harmony files updated |
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14 Dec 00 - 02:03 PM (#357199) Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted-part V From: MMario 2761) PIG AND THE INEBRIATE - NWC file sent to joe suitable for all three versions in DT. MIDI sent to Alan 2762) PIG AND THE INEBRIATE 2 (long version)-ditto 2761 2763) PIG AND THE INEBRIATE 3 - ditto 2761 760) CROSSED OLD JORDAN'S STREAM - nwc file sent to joe;midi sent to alan files updated |
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15 Dec 00 - 09:51 PM (#358079) Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted-part V From: Alan of Australia G'day, The following tunes are now available at the Mudcat MIDI site.
Ballin' The Jack
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16 Dec 00 - 03:15 PM (#358324) Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted-part V From: Snuffy 590 CARRION CROW (2)
MIDI file: CARCROW2.MID Timebase: 480 Tempo: 200 (300000 microsec/crotchet) This program is worth the effort of learning it. To download the March 10 MIDItext 98 software and get instructions on how to use it click here ABC format: X: 184 |
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18 Dec 00 - 09:13 AM (#358985) Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted-part V From: MMario file updated |
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21 Dec 00 - 03:15 PM (#361249) Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted-part V From: MMario 3483) TOO OLD TO CUT THE MUSTARD -NWC sent to joe 3503) THE TROOPER CUT DOWN IN HIS PRIME - NWC file sent to Joe; Midi sent to Alan 3525) TURN YOUR RADIO ON - NWC file sent to Joe - midi with harmony to Alan 3550) UNCLE NED - midi from john in brisbane sent to Alan, NWC file sent to Joe files updated |
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21 Dec 00 - 03:16 PM (#361252) Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted-part V From: MMario 3483) TOO OLD TO CUT THE MUSTARD -NWC sent to joe 3503) THE TROOPER CUT DOWN IN HIS PRIME - NWC file sent to Joe; Midi sent to Alan 3525) TURN YOUR RADIO ON - NWC file sent to Joe - midi with harmony to Alan 3550) UNCLE NED - midi from john in brisbane sent to Alan, NWC file sent to Joe files updated |
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21 Dec 00 - 06:35 PM (#361390) Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted-part V From: John in Brisbane Seasons Greetings to all Mudcatters who have worked so hard to keep thia ctivity so vibrant. Best wishes, John |
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22 Dec 00 - 11:27 AM (#361737) Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted-part V From: MMario 4) 50,000 NAMES - removed by request of publisher 34) AIN'T LEAVIN' YOUR LOVE - removed by request of publisher 79) AMERICAN PIE - removed by request of publisher 94) AND WHEN I DIE - removed by request of publisher 1167) FLOWER LADY - removed by request of publisher 1523) HEY, GOOD LOOKIN'-removed by request of publisher 1539) HIGHWAY CAFE - removed by request of publisher 2367) MONONGAHELA SAL - removed by request of publisher 3165) SITTING ON THE DOCK OF THE BAY - removed at the request of the publisher 3208) SOME DAYS ARE DIAMONDS- NWC file sent to Joe 3711) WHEN I WAS ON HORSEBACK (2)- midi forwarded to alan from JIB; NWC sent to Joe files updated. |
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28 Dec 00 - 03:48 PM (#364713) Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted-part V From: MMario 2869) QUEEN OF THE SILVER DOLLAR -http://contexas.com/midis5.html -NWC file sent to JOe; midi to Alan 3039) SAILING, SAILING -http://personalweb.edge.net/~htutor/midi.html songfile slngslng NWCfile sent to JOe; midi to Alan. 3042) THE SAILOR LIKES HIS BOTTLE, OH - midi sent to Alan; NWC sent to Joe files updated |
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09 Jan 01 - 12:49 PM (#371509) Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted-part V From: MMario 1309) GIVE ME MY YELLOW HOSE - midi sent to alan; NWC file to Joe 2698) OVER THE RIVER AND THROUGH THE WOODS - nwc file sent to joe, midi to alan 807) THE DARKTOWN STRUTTER' BALL - found at Levy site; nwc sent to Joe; midi to Alan. 863) DIDN'T HE RAMBLE -found at levy site - NWC file sent to joe 1026) THE ERRANT APPRENTICE - nwc file sent to joe 1107) FATHER'S WHISKERS - midi sent to alan; NWC file sent to Joe 1478) HE RAMBLED - see Didn't he Ramble - songfile didrambl 1971) THE KNAVE - see songfile navenave filies updated. |
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10 Jan 01 - 05:48 PM (#372446) Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted-part V From: Snuffy 2968 ROCK SALT AND NAILS - Filename [ROCKSALT 3261 STARLIGHT ON THE RAILS - Filename [STARRAIL
Lyrics and JPEGs of tunes and chords found on Utah Phillips own website. JPEGs e-mailed to Dick Greenhaus.
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13 Jan 01 - 03:28 AM (#373832) Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted-part V From: Sorcha How many more do we have to go? I know I have been falling down on my job lately. Mundane Life has interfered severely with my MudCat. Mario, send new list, please? I will e mail you, also. (I loved the list of "removed at publisher's request......) Like we can't find it again, huh? |
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24 Jan 01 - 04:34 PM (#381528) Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted-part V From: MMario 2230) A MAID IN BEDLAM - http://www.mudcat.org/thread.CFM?threadID=5747#33165 how many to go? a depressing number. but finding them IS fun...and getting a tune "right" after chasing it down can be challenging. |
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25 Jan 01 - 01:33 PM (#382302) Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted-part V From: MMario 3781) WIND THAT SHAKES THE CORN - nwc sent file to Joe 1245) FULL FATHOM FIVE - NWC sent to Joe files updated. Available to anyone who wants to give it a go. just PM me an e-mail address or e-mail me at lpola@edutech.org - Note for those who can transcribe by ear - some sound files have been located and are in the list. - note for those who can't create abc's or midi's - if you can locate the music on the web and send location to me, that helps too. if you can locate the dots and scan and e-mail THAT - that helps. if you are willing to snailmail copies I can transcibe. it's the twenty-first century. let's do this thing! |
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26 Jan 01 - 10:08 AM (#383011) Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted-part V From: MMario 3846) YELLOW ON THE BROOM -NWC file sent to joe files updated. |
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26 Jan 01 - 03:07 PM (#383259) Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted-part V From: MMario 3424) THOSE WERE THE DAZE - NWC file sent to joe 3737) WHISTLE WHISTLE AULD WIFE - nwc file sent to joe
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26 Jan 01 - 03:19 PM (#383274) Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted-part V From: Mary in Kentucky *nag noted* MMario, please send me an updated list. I've had fun learning new songs. It always amazes me though, that when I see the songs you post, I don't remember seeing them on the list. Also, I found that it takes too much paper to print out the list! I'll PM you my email in case you forgot it. (How could you? *BG*) |
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26 Jan 01 - 03:48 PM (#383300) Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted-part V From: MMario Please note: my "nags" are NOT for those of you who have been working on this - it's more trying to encourage OTHERS to try taking a hand with it. There is SO much that people can do...And it's work at your own pace. But if someone is working on something and others of us know it then we can avoid duplicated effort. I cannot thank enough those who have copied, converted, transcribed etc. Especially those of you who have downloaded and learned new software! It is especially helpful when people who actually know the songs help...that way I (or Joe, or Dick) am not left guessing how the lyrics fit the tune. |
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28 Jan 01 - 10:53 PM (#384541) Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted-part V From: Malcolm Douglas Still listed as missing, these three have been on the Midi pages for some time now:
3739) WHITE FISHER
618) CHICKENS IN THE GARDEN ABC & Miditext posted by John here: Chickens in the Garden
I mentioned earlier that I was having trouble deciding which of heaven-knows-how-many variations of the tune for 85) ANAC CUAIN I should use; it turns out that there is a perfectly good ABC already in the Forum: Eanach Dhuin. Oh dear, all those alternate spellings...
1528) HIELAND LADDIE -This is the same tune as THE HIELAND LADDIE, which is at the midi pages.
I sent a midi for 704) COME UP AND SEE MY GARRET to Alan some time ago, but it seems to have slipped through the net, so I'll send it again. I don't have Ewan MacColl's tune, but made a midi of Jeannie Robertson's, which, if not the same, is certainly as authentic.
Some new midis (lyrics embedded as usual):
3860) YOUNG BANKER Text transcribed from a Watersons record. They got the song from the collection of Frank Kidson; I've made a midi from the tune as given in Kidson's MSS., published in the Journal of the English Folk Dance and Song Society (vol.III no.I, 1936). It's described as "noted by Charles Lolley", whereas the sleevenotes of Green Fields say that Kidson got the song from Mrs Kate Thompson of Knaresborough, so it may not be precisely the same set; it is at any rate from the same area, and very close given that the Watersons will have changed the tune and text a bit in the course of learning it. I've modified the note values in a couple of places to accommodate the text as given in the DT.
1956) KING JAMIE AND THE TINKLER Transcribed from a recording by John Kirkpatrick. The text is from Dixon's Ballads & Songs of the Peasantry in England, and is exactly the same as the text of The King and the Tinker, which illustrates once again the dangers of filing songs by title without cross-reference! Kirkpatrick used the tune given in the Journal of the English Folk Dance and Song Society (vol.III no.I, 1936), which is a traditional one found in Frank Kidson's manuscript collection, so I've made a midi from that. The tune given with the other file is quite different.
3266) STITCH IN TIME Written by Mike Waterson, with a tune by Martin Carthy adapted from On Board a Man of War. Midi made from the notation in The Sound of History, Roy Palmer, 1988. NOTE: the DT file credits neither writer, though it mentions that they have both recorded it (along with somebody called Max Hole...)
3583) WAE'S ME FOR PRINCE CHERLIE Transcribed from a record by Ewan MacColl (?) According to Wilma Paterson (Songs of Scotland, 1997) this was written by one William Glen, and set to the melody Ladie Cassiles Lilt, (Skene MS, 1615-20),which is a version of Johny Faa or the Gypsie Laddie. I've made a midi from the notation she gives with Johny Faa, which if I understand aright is actually the version from Johnson's Scots Musical Museum of 1788 (vol.II no.181) but which is so near as makes no difference. G.S. MacQuoid (Jacobite Songs and Ballads) gives a final verse not in the DT file:
But now the bird saw some redcoats,
MacColl's spelling "Cherlie" (it may have been the transcriber's, of course) looks like a typical attempt by a second generation emigrant to be ultra-Scottish, though perhaps I am being unfair.
348) BIRDS IN THE SPRING From the Copper family, who call it By The Green Grove. Midi made from the notation in Bob Copper's A Song For Every Season (1971).
I should repeat that 773) THE CUCKOO'S NEST is an Irish version that I do NOT have, though it's a marvellous piece of work. I fear that somebody else will have to take care of that one if it's to be given its proper melody. Having said that, it does look as if, with a little judicious manipulation, it might be fitted to the hornpipe version of the Cuckoo's Nest that turns up in Ireland (De Danaan once recorded the tune). I must give that some thought... |
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28 Jan 01 - 11:02 PM (#384543) Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted-part V From: MMario MANY thanks Malcolm - especially for catching those tunes I missed out on the midi site. BTW - DickG says the new release is very very close. When that happens the "lists" will undergo major revamping. |
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29 Jan 01 - 08:47 AM (#384694) Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted-part V From: MMario the following information via Snuffy: 1221) FRAE THE FRIENDS AND LAND I LOVE - present in download 1892) JOLLY MILLER - tune present in download version 2186) THE LOVELY BANKS OF BOYNE - tune present in download version 2632) OLD TEXAS (The Cowman's Lament)- tune present in download version 3746) WHO WILL CARE FOR MICKY NOW? - tune present in download version he also pointed out a duplicate I have removed from the missing tune list; and some that have no tunes in DT that I missed in compiling the list. I did not add them to the list as the whole thing will be revamped when the new version comes out. Am in the process of updating the lists with Malcolm's listings above. Updated files should be available later today. |
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29 Jan 01 - 09:17 AM (#384705) Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted-part V From: MMario Just a few useless and probably inaccurate statistics...the "search" started July 24rth, 2000 - since then we have posted, located in the forum or relocated in old threads about 1205 tunes. It's been 177 days, so that works out to over 6 tunes found per day! (6.8 plus actually!) Good work! dick probably hates me... |
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29 Jan 01 - 04:51 PM (#385120) Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted-part V From: MMario be fresh! |
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29 Jan 01 - 09:37 PM (#385321) Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted-part V From: Malcolm Douglas Several birds killed with (almost) one stone: 2355) MO Ri GEAL DILEAS The DT text has become corrupted at some point (the title, for example, sholuld be MO RÙN GEAL, DÌLEAS); perhaps Dick is fixing it in the current update. There is no English translation given, though I put a link to one elsewhere, in this thread: My Fair and Rare One I've made a midi from the notation given in Alfred Moffat's Minstrelsy of the Scottish Highlands; it's maybe a little faster than most people would sing it nowadays, but I give it as written. The tune for verse and chorus is the same. 365) THE BLEACHER LASSIE O' KELVIN HA' This is an expanded version of one of several sets in the Greig-Duncan Collection; in other cases I'd want to be off to the library to consult it for the exact tune, but it's not that old a song, though it's been widely popular in tradition in NE Scotland, and it has always been sung to the air of Mo Rùn Geal Dìleas. I have used the first midi as a base for it, then, and modified it only where required to fit it to the DT text. I have, however, doubled all note values as it's generally sung quite slowly. 366) THE BLEACHER LASSIE OF KELVINHAUGH (2) Another version of the above, from a record by Ewan MacColl. It can share the same midi and like it! 3702) WHEN FIRST I WENT TO CALEDONIA This too is sung to the same tune. I've modified the Kelvinhaugh midi with reference to a recording by Waterson/Carthy, who learnt it in Cape Breton where the song was made (and met a relative of the author, apparantly). Malcolm |
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29 Jan 01 - 09:59 PM (#385334) Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted-part V From: Sorcha Sorcha has a bunch of tunes for Child Ballads; she doesn't even know all of which ones yet, but at least 14, and that is only thru the "B" titles.....will do when I have time. Now that MMario's "Bronson" is finished, maybe I can get started. |
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30 Jan 01 - 08:59 AM (#385601) Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted-part V From: Malcolm Douglas 314) BENNACHIE (2) This text is taken from Gavin Greig's Songs of the Northwest, but the tune, "The Back of Bennachie" (previously called "The Hessian's March") is well-known in Aberdeenshire and doesn't seem to vary too greatly, so I've made a midi from the notation given in John Ord's Bothy Songs and Ballads (1930, reprinted 1995). The final note of line 4 is lengthened to take account of the omission at the beginning of line 5 of the usual "Oh". 313) BENNACHIE An incomplete variant of the above, transcribed from a record by the "Old Blind Dogs", and therefore without any information as to source. It may be assumed that the tune won't have varied much, so a cross-reference should suffice. NOTE: Some of the notes appended to the previous file actually relate to this one; particularly the correction of the writing of "dewey" instead of "dowie"! The original harvester missed this. The song is often called [Oh] Gin I Were Where Gadie (sometimes, "Gaudie") Rins (or "Runs"). Ord's text is in this thread: Gin I were where the Gaudie rins Malcolm |
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30 Jan 01 - 09:12 AM (#385609) Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted-part V From: MMario 3047) SAINT LOUIS BLUES - nwc file sent to joe files updated. Thanks Malcolm! (Sorcha - I'll start at the "back" of the alphabet! *grin*) |
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30 Jan 01 - 01:21 PM (#385778) Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted-part V From: MMario 3022) ROW US OVER THE TIDE - see songfile ROWTIDE2 sent to joe 2811) THE PREACHER AND THE BEAR - NWC file sent to Joe files updated |
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30 Jan 01 - 06:17 PM (#386026) Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted-part V From: MMario refresh |
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31 Jan 01 - 12:13 PM (#386560) Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted-part V From: Sorcha Finally!! I just added MC# 56, Alison and Willie, Child 256 to the post tunes. |
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31 Jan 01 - 12:17 PM (#386564) Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted-part V From: MMario got it! |
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01 Feb 01 - 09:00 AM (#387369) Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted-part V From: MMario 2802) POOR OLD SLAVE - see songfile oldjeff 2807) THE POTLATCH FAIR - nWC file sent to joe 947) DROP-KICK ME, JESUS, THROUGH THE GOALPOSTS OF LIFE - NWC file sent to Joe files updated |
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01 Feb 01 - 09:04 AM (#387370) Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted-part V From: MMario not in the list - but NWC file provided by animaterra forwarded to joe for "Round and Round the Earth is Turning" |
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01 Feb 01 - 03:20 PM (#387691) Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted-part V From: GUEST |
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01 Feb 01 - 03:43 PM (#387704) Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted-part V From: GUEST |
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01 Feb 01 - 05:04 PM (#387765) Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted-part V From: MMario 2407) MUSIC'S THE VERY BEST THING - NWC file sent to Joe 2556) OH GENEVIEVE - NWC file sent to Joe 2362) MOMMA'S SOUP SURPRISE - NWC file sent to JOe files updated |
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01 Feb 01 - 10:14 PM (#387985) Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted-part V From: Sorcha Posted to the Post thread:
#120 ARBUTUS, CHILD 100 |
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02 Feb 01 - 08:53 AM (#388178) Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted-part V From: MMario files updated. |
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02 Feb 01 - 04:22 PM (#388609) Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted-part V From: MMario 304) THE BEGGAR MAN (2)-see http://www.mudcat.org/!!-supersearch99.cfm?MaxHits=1&Command=search&NumLines=4&file=fall99&request=%5BTHE+BEGGAR+MAN+(4)%5D 2254) MAPLE ON THE HILL - NWC file sent to joe files updated |
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04 Feb 01 - 12:13 PM (#389707) Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted-part V From: Malcolm Douglas I thought that I had already sent a midi for 2427) MY JOHNNY WAS A SHOEMAKER to Alan, but perhaps I didn't, after all. The DT text is taken from Steeleye Span's recording; they got it from Colm O'Lochlainn's Irish Street Ballads (Vol.II), and I've made a midi from the notation in that book. The version in question was noted from Alice Deady of Waterford; it's noticeable how much Gay Woods and Maddy Prior interfered with the rhythm when they recorded it, so I've also made a midi based on their re-phrasing of Alice Deady's set.
WILLIE O' WINSBURY This file already has a traditional tune attached to it, but the most widely-known melody used for the song nowadays (Pentangle, Gaughan etc.) was actually written by (I think) Andy Irvine -specifically for this set of words- in the 1960s; it was such a good piece of work that it was almost immediately assumed to be traditional. Midi made by ear; the phrasing is generic, as the arrangements I've heard of it differ.
FAREWELL FAREWELL Richard Thompson set his song to Irvine's tune, believing it to be traditional. Midi made by ear from Fairport's recording, with most of Sandy Denny's decorations omitted for the sake of clarity.
376) BLUE BLEEZING BLIND DRUNK As sung by Sheila Stewart of Blairgowrie; she learnt it from her mother, Belle, who in turn had it from "an old ploughman", probably in the early 1950s. It seems to acquire a different title every time it appears in print or on record; on the Stewarts of Blair (Lismor LIFL 7010 [1985], now available on CD) it's Mickey's Warning, while in Ailie Munro's The Folk Music Revival in Scotland it's When Mickey Comes Home I Get Battered. NOTE: The verses in the DT are not in the usual order. What appears to be a first verse is in fact the chorus, and should appear after verses 2 ("For when Mickey comes home") and 3 ("Oh but whisky I ne'er was a lover"). Midi made from the notation in the book, slightly modified to accommodate the DT text. Confusingly, I have given the tune for verse 1 and chorus together, though Sheila doesn't sing them together, because it would just be too complicated to have a note in the Midi pages explaining it all, until the DT entry is modified!
The tune for THE BEGGAR MAN (4) doesn't fit THE BEGGAR MAN (2) incidentally. I'm looking into it. |
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04 Feb 01 - 02:25 PM (#389802) Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted-part V From: MMario Thanks malcolm - I could have missed My johnny was a shoemaker the first time. it's possible. |
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04 Feb 01 - 03:21 PM (#389847) Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted-part V From: Sorcha Posted in the tunes thread:
509)BROOMFIELD WAGER3-- 3 tunes found in DT for Child #43 |
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06 Feb 01 - 02:07 PM (#391523) Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted-part V From: MMario 1768) IN SUMMERTIME ON BREDON -nwc file sent to joe 2031) THE LASS OF SWANSEA TOWN- nwc file sent to joe files updated |
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07 Feb 01 - 10:49 AM (#392109) Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted-part V From: MMario 1646) I HEARD A COW LOW - see songfile elfanurs |
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07 Feb 01 - 03:11 PM (#392407) Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted-part V From: MMario 1633) I CARE NOT FOR THESE LADIES - NWC file sent to Joe files updated.
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09 Feb 01 - 02:21 PM (#394323) Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted-part V From: MMario 58) ALL THE GOOD TIMES ARE PAST AND GONE - NWC file sent to Joe 169) BABBITY BOWSTER -NWC sent to Joe files updated |
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10 Feb 01 - 05:00 PM (#395240) Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted-part V From: Malcolm Douglas 686) COME ALL YOU GARNERS GAY This was recorded by Fred Hamer in 1960 from William (Billy) Bartle of Wrestlingworth in Bedfordshire. Midi made from the notation in Hamer's book Garners Gay (EFDS Publications 1967). Billy Bartle may be heard singing it on A Century of Song (EFDSSCD02, 1998).
Although it's not on the missing list, this would be the moment to add another tune for JOHN BARLEYCORN, which seems to be a hybrid text. Verses 2, 3, 6 and 7, and the chorus, appear to be from the version of the song recorded by Fred Hamer in 1960 from William (Billy) Bartle of Wrestlingworth in Bedfordshire, of which Steeleye Span recorded an arrangement. Verses 1, 4 and 5 appear to have been added from other versions. The tune given is the best-known one, essentially the same as the one given in the Penguin Book of English Folk Song, and does not fit the text. Midi made from the notation in Hamer's book Garners Gay (EFDS Publications 1967).
2443) MY SON JOHN Transcribed from a record by Tim Hart and Maddy Prior: this was their arrangement of a song collected by Fred Hamer from David Parrott of Bedfordshire in the 1920s. I think they modified the tune a bit, but I haven't heard it in years; midi made from the notation in Hamer's book, as above. Hamer commented: Malcolm |
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11 Feb 01 - 04:15 PM (#395770) Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted-part V From: MMario FALSE SIR JOHN 2 - Child 4C; Bronson 4.83 - NWC file sent to Joe |
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12 Feb 01 - 08:38 AM (#396203) Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted-part V From: MMario files updated. |
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12 Feb 01 - 04:01 PM (#396575) Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted-part V From: MMario 228) BAMBOO BRIER - see bramble briar or Bruton Town 254) BARNACLE BILL THE SAILOR (2)- see songfile barnbill 3013) ROULEZ, JEUNES GENS, ROULEZ! - malcolm will have sent to Alan 422) BONNIE KELLSWATER - NWC file sent to joe 3014) ROUND AND ROUND THE EARTH IS TURNING - NWC sent to Joe -from Animaterra 224) BALLINDERRY - NWC file sent to Joe files updated |
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13 Feb 01 - 02:53 PM (#397231) Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted-part V From: MMario 1615) HUSH-A-BYE, MY BAIRNIE - midi sent to alan - Malcolm? 544) CAGARAN GAOLACH - midi sent to alan - Malcolm? files updated (Better late then never, I guess) |
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13 Feb 01 - 11:00 PM (#397591) Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted-part V From: Malcolm Douglas Additional to my comments on John Barleycorn above: Though Steeleye Span took the trouble on this occasion to acknowledge their source, and even dedicated their arrangement of the song to Margaret Hamer, they failed to quote Billy Bartle's words accurately, so the midi I've made is an uneasy compromise between the song as collected and their arrangement of it. No notes have been altered in pitch, but several have been lengthened (two 1/8 notes combined to form one 1/4 note) in order to match the tune to the text as given in the DT file. Bartle's version began:
There were three men came from the North,
These lines were spoken. S. Span substituted "West" for "North".
The lyrics I give with the midi are those for the first sung verse plus chorus. S. Span changed Bartle's words, and the DT transcriber ( or his/her source) changed them too:
They laid him in three furrows deep,
(Bartle)
They laid him in three furrows deep,
(Steeleye Span)
They plowed him in three furrows deep,
(DT text)
The embedded lyrics are those given in the DT, though I have changed the spelling of the nonsense words in the chorus back to those originally noted by Hamer.
1408) GREENLAND BOUND Version from A.L. Lloyd. The contributor mentions "an inferior variant in Ord, Bothy Ballads"; I don't see a great deal to choose between the two sets of very similar lyrics, though arguably the Lloyd set flows a little better as narrative. It seems likely that the tune will have been much the same (Ord, for example, got his tune from a lady in Saltcoats who had noted it from "an old gentleman whose grandmother used to sing it to him in his early childhood", and remarked that it was identical to the one he remembered from the North-East 40 years previously) so I've made a midi of Ord's tune. Unfortunately I've had to split a number of notes into two in order to accommodate Lloyd's rather uneven lines, but it can't be helped.
3013) ROULEZ, JEUNES GENS, ROULEZ! Midi made from a recording by "The Shanty Crew" (Stand To Yer Ground, Screw Productions PROP 1885A, 1989). It was collected in Haute-Normandie (Seine Maritime) by Michel Colleu from Captain Vedieu (Saint-Pierre-en-Port, 1974) and M. Cuvier (Eletot, 1976). NOTE: "voiles d'été" ("summer sails") in the DT text should be "voiles d'étai ("staysails").
1553) HIND HORN The DT text appears to be Child's example H, which was taken from Buchan's Ballads of the North of Scotland (1828), though the spelling has been anglicised in parts and there are some minor alterations of words and a few typos; verses 23 and 24 have been omitted:
He took nane frae Peter nor frae Paul,
And frae them all he would take nane,
No tune is recorded for this particular version, but Bronson gives 23 variants. After some thought I have decided to go for his example 10, which comes from the Greig MSS., II, p.12, and was sung by Mrs. Rettie of Milbrex, in September 1906. Midi made from the notation of this; in order to accommodate the DT text, I have in two places split 1/2 notes into pairs of one 3/8 and one 1/8. Buchan and Child print the text in two-line stanzas, so there are two possibilities for matching it to the four-line tune; either in groups of two stanzas, or with an interleaved refrain such as that which occurs in many versions (see for example Hind Horn (2) ) -in many cases, the early collectors didn't bother to print such refrains. My feeling is that the narrative flow of this particular version works better without a refrain, so the midi contains text of verses 1 and 2 matched to the melody.
3123) THE SHEPHERD'S WIFE This is Robert Burns' rewrite of a traditional song, though the DT entry makes no mention of him. An earlier version and a bowdlerisation may be seen under
1658) I MAUN HAE MY GOON MADE The tune prescribed for this song is the same as that used for Let Me in this Ae Nicht. John of Brisbane sent a midi to Alan some months ago, but it hasn't appeared on the midi pages yet; a cross-reference should suffice when it does. |
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15 Feb 01 - 09:54 AM (#398524) Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted-part V From: MMario files updated. |
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15 Feb 01 - 04:36 PM (#398836) Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted-part V From: MMario 799) DARBY AND JOAN- NWC file sent to Joe 772) THE CUCKOO IS A FUNNY BIRD- NWC file sent to Joe 707) COMING TO US DEAD - see songfile comedead 780) DADDY PLAYED FIRST BASE - see "Daddy Played Bass" files updated |
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18 Feb 01 - 09:19 AM (#400773) Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted-part V From: Snuffy 1040) EVERYTHING GLOWS 1987) LA MARSEILLAISE posted to Tune Add: Please Post Tunes Here -2 Wassail! V |
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18 Feb 01 - 07:49 PM (#401103) Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted-part V From: Snuffy 357) BLACKBIRD - posted to Tune Add: Please Post Tunes Here -2 1183) THE FOLK SONG ARMY - MusicEase file with lyrics e-mailed to Dick Greenhaus Wassail! V
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20 Feb 01 - 09:22 AM (#402116) Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted-part V From: MMario files updated. |
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21 Feb 01 - 12:41 PM (#402861) Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted-part V From: MMario it's been a good morning. 640) A CHURCHY BALLAD - see also Song from Lucifer's Hammer - NWC sent to Joe 683) THE COLORED BRIGADE - NWC file sent to Joe 687) COME ALL YOU LOYAL LOVERS - two NWC files sent to Joe 2609) AN OLD LOG CABIN FOR SALE-Dale Rose will send to Joe files updated. |
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22 Feb 01 - 04:06 PM (#403979) Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted-part V From: MMario 895) DON'T BET YOUR MONEY ON DE SHANGHAI -sent NWC file to joe 690) COME AND DINE - NWC file sent to Joe 879) DIXIE, THE LAND OF KING COTTON -NWC file sent to JOe 887) DOCTOR IN FIFE - sent NWC file to Joe files updated |
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23 Feb 01 - 04:00 PM (#404773) Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted-part V From: MMario 915) DOODLE LET ME GO (Yeller Gals)- two version sent as NWC to Joe 960) THE DUMMY LINE - turkey in the straw - NWC file sent to Joe files updated |
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24 Feb 01 - 04:58 PM (#405459) Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted-part V From: Malcolm Douglas The following midis were made from notation in My Song Is My Own (ed. Kathy Henderson et al., 1979): 2833) PRINCE HEATHEN This is the re-write made from traditional texts and a Hungarian analogue by A.L. Lloyd; presumably he put the tune to it. It belongs to the Cruel Mother/Hind Horn tune family. 3368) TESTIMONY OF PATIENCE KERSHAW Words and music by Frank Higgins, 1969. 487) BRIDGET AND THE PILL Words by Brian Pearson, 1968; set to a traditional tune that I can't quite put a name to at the moment. 898) DON'T GET MARRIED GIRLS Words and music by Leon Rosselson, 1973. Malcolm |
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25 Feb 01 - 11:43 PM (#406275) Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted-part V From: Malcolm Douglas 3265) STEPMOTHER'S CRUELTY Some searching through Child and the Bodleian reveals that this is properly called (The) Lady Isabella's Tragedy, or, The Stepmother's Cruelty. This one is a bit of a problem. It's a broadside text, not a song collected from tradition, and it is often quite impossible to determine to what tune (if any!) such things were sung. As it happens, there are two broadside copies at the Bodleian Library which specify tunes; one names "Fair Rosamond, or Chevy Chase", the other "The Ladies Fall". Some poking around at Bruce Olson's website turns up two "Chevy Chase" tunes, and a cross-reference from "Lady's Fall" to "In Peascod Time". A reference to another broadside specifies its tune as "Chevy Chase, or the Lady Isabell's Tragedy", so a "Chevy Chase" tune, of which there are many variants, looks on balance like the best bet. The two Bruce has are (B063) from an MS and (B064) from the Percy Collection: of these, and this is a purely subjective judgement, the first seems to have more the kind of flavour that goes with murder, cannibalism and getting boiled in lead, so I have made a midi from it. In order to fit the broadside text to it, it has been necessary to modify the tune slightly; specifically, the final quarter-note in bar 2 has been split into 2 eighth-notes of the same pitch, and the final note of each of the two lines, given in Bruce's abc file as one three-quarter note and a half-note of the same pitch have been replaced in each case by one whole note and a quarter rest. I have also transposed the tune down by one octave to bring it into what I hope is an easier range. While this makes a singable piece, I must emphasise that it's only an approximate guess at what might have been; I wouldn't want anyone at any point to think that this is THE TUNE; just a possibility.
3562) UP IN THE NORTH This is the version collected by John Baldwin from Freda Palmer of Witney, Oxfordshire, in 1969; a recording by Linda Adams of this version is the source of the DT text. Midi made from the notation in The Folk Music Journal, volume 1 number 4 (1969). Baldwin transposed Mrs. Palmer's tune from A Flat to G; I have retained this. The song has different numbers of lines from verse to verse; these are accommodated by repeating or omitting phrases as required. Malcolm |
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26 Feb 01 - 09:45 AM (#406452) Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted-part V From: MMario thank you Malcolm - files updated to reflect the latest "finds"
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26 Feb 01 - 11:47 PM (#406962) Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted-part V From: Maestrok Need chords or midi for Vatican Rag. filename [VATIRAG |
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27 Feb 01 - 04:11 PM (#407409) Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted-part V From: MMario I PM'd MaestroK. 557) CALYPSO - NWC file sent to Joe 994) EL CONDOR PASA - NWC file sent to Joe files updated |
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28 Feb 01 - 11:26 AM (#407987) Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted-part V From: Malcolm Douglas 2177) LOUDON HILL OR DRUMCLOG The text in this file is a duplicate of THE BATTLE OF LOUDON HILL. It might be best simply to delete it, but if not, a cross-reference to the tune in the other file would do the trick. 1086) FAREWEILL TAE WHISKY Matt was going to do this one, but hasn't done so far. On examination, it turns out to bear no relation at all to the well-known Niel Gow tune which I (and perhaps Matt, too) had supposed it to be; it is in fact a version of the song usually called Johnnie My Man. The DT text is quoted from memory, having been learned from a folk-club singer in the late 1960s, which presumably accounts for the eccentric spelling! Remembered remarkably well, actually, though verses 2 and 3 as given here should really be in reverse order, and the wife's name is usually Jean rather than Maggie. Midi made from the notation in Ord's Bothy Songs and Ballads, 1930, with a couple of notes split to accommodate the DT text. I've set the midi to play at half-speed, as it's usually sung a lot more slowly nowadays than it used to be. Malcolm |
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28 Feb 01 - 11:37 AM (#407996) Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted-part V From: Malcolm Douglas I neglected to mention that the tune will also serve for 1887) JOHNNY MY MAN The DT text was transcribed from a Jean Redpath record which I don't have, but there is, so far as I know, only one tune for this song; since we cannot know whose variant (I have notation for a further 4) was used for either, Ord's is good enough. Redpath has "Maggie" rather than "Jean", too, so perhaps it's more common than I'd thought. Malcolm |
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28 Feb 01 - 11:42 AM (#408002) Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted-part V From: MMario !! We both picked the same day to do "Fareweill tae whisky" !! Ya beat me tho' files updated. |
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28 Feb 01 - 01:55 PM (#408126) Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted-part V From: Malcolm Douglas 2216) MACUSHLA Midi made from sheet music found at the Lester Levy Collection. Vocal line only, though the key-shift in the second part sounds rather odd without the prescribed piano accompaniment. NOTE: Ralph Butts, who transcribed the text for the DT has omitted a line from the first verse: "I hear its dear pleading; my blue-eyed Macushla," needs to be inserted before the 6th line in the DT file. Malcolm |
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28 Feb 01 - 04:22 PM (#408235) Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted-part V From: MMario 355) Black Socks - NWC sent to Joe 1887) JOHNNY MY MAN - NWC file sent to Joe - see also midi by malcolm 1086) FAREWEILL TAE WHISKY - NWC sent to Joe ;midi by malcolm sent to alan 1090) THE FAREWELL SHANTY - NWC file sent to Joe 1094) FAREWELL TO THE GOLD - NWC file sent to Joe 1103) FARNESOL - see jingle bells 2177) LOUDON HILL OR DRUMCLOG - see songfile [LOUDNHIL 1080) FAR EAST KITCHEN - see northwest passage files updated |
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01 Mar 01 - 02:42 PM (#408933) Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted-part V From: MMario 1138) FINLANDIA - NWC file sent to Joe 1239) THE FROGGY HE - NWC file sent to Joe files updated. |
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05 Mar 01 - 12:39 PM (#411222) Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted-part V From: Malcolm Douglas 3774) WILLIE'S FATAL VISIT The DT text is taken from Child, and there is no tune recorded for it. Bronson prints one from Christie's Traditional Ballad Airs (1876); Christie's text is similar (he said that he learned it from his paternal grandmother), so this is the closest match we are likely to get. Christie gives a second, variational strain to the melody, which apparantly was a habit of his; Bronson makes clear his opinion that these second strains were usually of Christie's own invention: I have therefore made a midi of the first strain only, and omitted Christie's decorations, which are also, presumably, editorial. This gives us a four-line melody; the first verse of the Child text is of six lines, so the second two melody lines should be repeated to accommodate the words in that case. 2262) MARRIAGE OF SIR GAWAINE There is no known tune for this ballad. Bronson gives what may perhaps be a very distant American relative, but is not entirely convinced that there is a real connection; best just to give up on this one. 1054) FAIR MARY OF WALLINGTON The text in the DT is Child's example #91C. Bronson comments: "The only trace of a tune for this ballad is connected with a traditional Norfolk version, beginning My father was the first good man, which was being sung in the early nineteenth century to some form of O Ponder Well. (Notes and Queries, series 2, XX, p.193)." Under the entry for The Hunting of the Cheviot (Child #162), Bronson comments further that this tune was used in The Beggar's Opera, and also sometimes used for The Children in the Wood, and refers to a version printed by Bruce and Stokoe in Northumbrian Minstrelsy (1882). I have made a midi, then, from the notation in that book. In order for the text of the first verse to fit, "seven" needs to be taken as one syllable ("se'en"); I have also split the eighth note at the beginning of line 3 into two sixteenth notes. Though we now have a singable set, it should be stressed that the joining of text and melody is pure conjecture, though based on Bronson's research: there is no evidence that this version of the ballad (or any of the other versions in Child) were ever sung to this particular melody. 1165) FLODDEN FIELD According to Bronson, there is no tune known for this. LULLIN' THE LITTLIN' This isn't in the DT yet, but is marked as harvested. Midi made from the notation in Isla St.Clair's The Song and the Story (1981). LITTLE CHANCE This isn't in the DT yet, and isn't marked as harvested, either, but it's well worth it. Midi made from the notation in A.L. Lloyd's Folk Song in England (source, Jack Elliott of Birtley). 2338) MILLER TAE MY TRADE The DT text was taken from a recording by Ray Fisher, who learnt it from Lucy Stewart of Fetterangus. I don't have this version, though I have heard Ray sing it. Midi made from the notation in Sheila Douglas' The Sang's The Thing (1992) of a set from Willie MacKenzie of Elgin. The tune has had to be modified to accommodate the DT text (and my memory of tune and phrasing); specifically: Bar 11: second quarter-note ("trade") split into two eighths ("trade, aye") Bar 13: two eighth-notes ("made, an'") combined into one quarter ("made.") Bar 14: first (quarter) note replaced by one eighth; fourth (eighth) note replaced by one quarter. Bar 15: third (quarter) note changed to three-eighths; final note removed. Bar 16: one eighth rest and two eighth notes (A) interpolated at the beginning; original first note (quarter) replaced by two eighths, the second raised to A. The rest is unchanged, but obviously runs into an extra bar. 2953) ROBIN CAM' TO THE WREN'S DOOR Two variants are given in the DT file, one apparantly from the singing of Mrs. Burns. Another variant was contributed by Burns to the Scots Musical Museum; midi made from the notation in James Kinsley's Burns: Poems and Songs (OUP, 1971) and slightly modified in one place to accommodate the words. 2923) REYNARD THE FOX (3) More usually known as You Gentlemen of High Renown (not Reknown, as the file has it!) This appears to be the version recorded by The Young Tradition, who called it The Fox Hunt. The tune they used (I don't know where they got it) is fairly different from the Copper Family tune, though obviously a close relative. Midi made by ear from the YT's recording, with the usual caveat as to the accuracy of my ear and my knowledge of musical theory. The YT sang "brush" rather than "slabs" in the final verse, incidentally. 3172) SKEWBALL DT text apparantly transcribed by ear from a Steeleye Span record. There are a number of mistakes, beginning with the layout, which shows the song as eleven 2-line stanzas, where it should be six of four lines each. Bearing this in mind: Verse 1 line 3: "Oh, the marvel" should be Arthur Marvel Verse 4. The second half is missing, and should read: Up spoke the noble horse, "Ride on, my noble master For we're halfway round the course, and now we'll see who's faster." Verse 5 line 1: "for they have 200 guineas" should be for the good Two Hundred Guineas Verse 5 line 2: "The settle shall be of gold when we become the winners" should be (And) the saddle shall be of gold when we pick up our winnings S. Span said nothing about their source in their sleevenotes; in fact they got it from A.L. Lloyd, who remarked "This version is Irish in origin". Midi made from a transcription in The Song and the Story by Isla St. Clair and David Turnbull (1981). 2411) MY COLLIER LADDIE This is the version published by Burns, though the DT file makes no mention of him. Midi made from the notation in Kinsley's Burns: The Poems and Songs (1969). 1051) FAIR ELIZA This is the version published by Burns, though the DT file makes no mention of him. Midi made from the notation in Kinsley's Burns: The Poems and Songs (1969). Further to FAREWEILL TAE WHISKY/ JOHNNY MY MAN above, I now also have Belle Stewart's version, which she learnt from her brother, Donald MacGregor (Till Doomsday in the Afternoon,MacColl & Seeger, 1986) . It's different enough from the Ord set to warrant posting as an alternative, so I'll send that in too. Malcolm |
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07 Mar 01 - 09:45 AM (#412717) Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted-part V From: MMario the "Missing tunes" and "Found Tune" files have been updated. Just for FYI - latest estimates show 1325 tunes found out of the original 3874 for a 34.2 percent completion. not bad! |
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07 Mar 01 - 02:16 PM (#412916) Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted-part V From: MMario 1649) I KNOW AN OLD CANALLER - see songfile[SIMONSLK 1684) I WONDER WHEN I SHALL BE MARRIED - NWC file sent to Joe 1687) I WOULD NOT DIE IN SUMMER TIME - NWC file sent to Joe files updated. |
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07 Mar 01 - 04:23 PM (#412960) Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted-part V From: MMario 1693) I'LL HAE NAE MAIR O' YER CHEESE - nwc file sent to joe 1767) IN PRAISE OF CHRISTMAS - see tunefile [allhail files updated. |
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08 Mar 01 - 03:46 PM (#413542) Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted-part V From: MMario 3101) SENOR DON GATO - tune posted in thread http://www.mudcat.org/thread.cfm?threadid=162&messages=60 - per joe submitted 1806) IT'S HARD TO BE HUMBLE - NWC file sent to Joe 1807) IT'S HARD TO BE HUMBLE (2) - NWC file sent to Joe 2557) OH LORD, IT'S HARD TO BE HUMBLE - NWC file sent to Joe 1820) JACK IN THE GREEN - NWC file sent to JOe files updated |
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12 Mar 01 - 12:10 AM (#415639) Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted-part V From: Malcolm Douglas 3009) ROSIE ANDERSON Two very similar tune variants from the James Duncan collection were published in the Folk Music Journal of 1966. I've gone for the one noted from Mrs. Gillespie in 1905; she had learnt it from her mother. Patrick Shuldham Shaw commented: "It appears that Rosie Anderson was the daughter of a Perth merchant. She was married at the age of sixteen to another merchant of Perth, Thomas Hay Anderson, a former Lord Provost of the city. The Lord Elgin mentioned was probably the seventh Earl (1766-1841) who, when British Ambassador at Constantinople, secured and brought home the famous Greek sculptures, now in the British Museum, known as the 'Elgin Marbles'." 3435) THREE JOLLY SPORTSMEN Though the original poster of this text put in a plug for her singing group, she neglected to credit her source. The song was in fact noted (as Three Jolly Huntsmen) by Dr. George Gardiner from William Taylor in Petersfield Workhouse, Hampshire, in 1908. Midi made from the notation in Frank Purslow's Marrowbones (EFDS 1965). The DT transcription contains a number of errors of no great importance. 1990) LADDIE WITH THE GOLDEN HAIR This is an incomplete set of Henry Whyte ("Fionn")'s English version of the Scottish Gaelic song Oigfear A' Chùil-Dualaich. Midi made from the notation in Alfred Moffat's Minstrelsy of the Scottish Highlands. I have posted both Gaelic and English texts to a new thread: Laddie With the Golden Hair. (With a temporary link to the midi until it gets to the Mudcat pages.) Malcolm |
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12 Mar 01 - 08:21 AM (#415701) Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted-part V From: MMario Thanks again Malcolm - files updated. |
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13 Mar 01 - 03:10 PM (#416780) Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted-part V From: MMario 1991) LADDY LYE NEAR ME - see songfile ladlinr2 2259) MARCHING THROUGH ROCHESTER - see tunefile WALTZMAT - NWC file sent to Joe 1999) LADY KEITH'S LAMENT - NWC file sent to joe 2000) THE LADY LEROY - NWC files sent to joe 2001) THE LADY LEROY 2 - NWC file sent to joe 2002) LADY MARGARET - NWC file sent to Joe 2200) LUCKY LINDY - on alan's midi page - sent by J_I_B files updated |
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13 Mar 01 - 07:08 PM (#416957) Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted-part V From: Snuffy 1130 FIGHT FIERCELY, HARVARD! - MusicEase file sent to Dick Greenhaus 1854 JIMMY BROWN THE NEWSBOY - MusicEase file sent to Dick Greenhaus
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14 Mar 01 - 03:57 PM (#417566) Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted-part V From: MMario Thanks snuffy - I've updated the files with those changes plus... 2278) MARY'S DREAM - NWC file sent to JOe 2291) MAY MORNING CAROL - tentative midi sent to Joe 2381) MOTHER, I COME HOME TO DIE - levy box 93, item 39 - NWC file sent to Joe 2382) MOTHER, MAY I GO OUT TO SWIM (BATHING SONG) - from Bruce O's site - NWC file sent to Joe 2435) MY MASTER AND I - NWC file sent to Joe
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14 Mar 01 - 04:02 PM (#417570) Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted-part V From: MMario there's another 26 songs! see - it's easy. Well - reasonably easy. But as Joe can tell you - matching lyrics to some of these tunes ain't easy. (I'm inundating him.....chortle, chortle, chortle) The most frustrating ones are ones that you can SING to the tune - but can't fit the bleedin' lyrics to the dots. if I seem to be babbling - I probably am - couple more postings to this thread and will roll over to another new one. Did I mention the updated tune files are available anytime anyone tells me they want them, assuming I have your e-mail? requests can be PM'd to me and/or e-mail lpola@edutech.org |
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14 Mar 01 - 07:26 PM (#417752) Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted-part V From: Malcolm Douglas Matching lyrics can indeed be a real bugger, especially when it turns out to be the wrong tune, though sharing a title; it's also often the case that people have transcribed lyrics so badly that they wouldn't fit the right tune anyway! If I can't match them, I don't post them; when I can, I usually specify any changes I've made. If you do sometimes have trouble fitting the two, please feel free to ask me for a second opinion; I'm certainly no expert, but appear to be developing a (probably regrettable) talent for such things... Malcolm |
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15 Mar 01 - 04:39 PM (#418514) Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted-part V From: MMario 2444) MY SWEETHEART WENT DOWN WITH THE MAINE ~levy box 86 item 59 - NWC file sent to Joe 2445) MY SWEETHEART'S THE MAN IN THE MOON ~ levy box 142 item 112 - NWC file sent to Joe 2451) McSORLEY'S TWINS - Music for the Nation - NWC file sent to Joe 2455) THE NANNY'S HYMN - variation on southern harmony hymn "prospect" - NWC file to Joe 2480) THE NEW MORNING DEW - NWC file sent to Joe 2505) NOAH'S ARK SHANTY - tune = roll the cotton down - NWC file sent to Joe. 2510) NOBODY KNOWS YOU WHEN YOU'RE DOWN AND OUT-NWC file sent to Joe files updated |
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15 Mar 01 - 04:56 PM (#418530) Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted-part V From: MMario also sent joe an NWC file of Nelson's Farewell - converted from Snuffy's abc posted in that other thread where abc's get posted. |
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16 Mar 01 - 03:42 PM (#419334) Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted-part V From: MMario 2525) NOWHERE MAN - NWC file sent to Joe 2538) O, FOR ANE AND TWENTY, TAM - NWC file sent to Joe 2563) OH! BOYS CARRY ME 'LONG - NWC file sent to Joe both the "missing tunes" and the "found tunes" files updated. |
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16 Mar 01 - 06:37 PM (#419486) Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted-part V From: Snuffy 2455) THE NANNY'S HYMN - variation on southern harmony hymn "Prospect" - the DT entry says "To the tune of the Seaman's Hymn". From the words and structure of the Nanny's Hymn, it could be the same as 3092) THE SEAMEN'S HYMN - DT says "written by Bert Lloyd for a BBC docudrama; tune from a welsh hymn"
Is Prospect the same tune that Lloyd used?
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16 Mar 01 - 10:30 PM (#419649) Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted-part V From: MMario I believe so snuffy - wish I had bookmarked the reference that pointed me to the hymn tune! |
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19 Mar 01 - 12:16 PM (#420911) Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted-part V From: MMario part six
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19 Mar 01 - 01:30 PM (#420987) Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted-part V From: GUEST,Bruce O. MMario, Notes - Larry Grogan/ Aileen Aroon, and Fyvie O/Peggy of Derby got put in DT separated from the songs. Songs and tunes are in DT (and on my website) |
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19 Mar 01 - 01:35 PM (#420989) Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted-part V From: GUEST,Bruce O. In fact those notes should be tossed out. I used angle brackets to denote titles, ok if you download DT, but on the web they get interpreted as nonsensical HTML and give an incomprehenize mess.
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19 Mar 01 - 01:49 PM (#421006) Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted-part V From: MMario Thanks bruce - |
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01 Aug 01 - 07:07 AM (#518932) Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted-part V From: pavane I have a tape of someone singing (in a folk club) 'My Johnny was a shoemaker' to a tune quite different to the one used by Steeleye Span, and with the last line of each verse repeated as a chorus. Does anyone know where it might have come from? |