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31 Dec 00 - 01:18 AM (#366066) Subject: Historical events behind some irish song From: paddymac Many of the Irish songs and ballads so commonly discussed here reflect a vision of particular events in Irish History. Short commentary on some of those events is included in my "Today In Irish History" calendar, gleaned from my readings over the years. A few 'Catters are on the recipient list, but others may have an interest in receiving such notes. I've copied today's notice below, as an example. If you would like to be added to the list, send me a PM with your addy & I'll add you to the list. There is no cost to recipients, and I try to get the notes out on a "nearly daily" basis. I hope the New Year is kind and gentle to all of you. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * It's no secret that happy events get far less coverage in contemporary news (and in Today In Irish History) than the more sad and sober kinds of things. Thus, it's a special pleasure to be able to close the year with reference to what must surely have been one of the most positive events in all of Irish history. Here's hoping that the coming year and the coming millenium (or the part of it relevant to you)are happy and helpful to "all ya'll!" 31 Dec 1759 Thirty-four-year old Arthur Guinness paid 100 pounds down and signed a 9000 year/45 pounds per year lease from Mark Rainsford III for the then dormant Rainsford brewery at St. James' Gate. The brewery had been established at an outer defense to the old walled Gity of Dublin by Giles Mee in 1620, and passed down through his son-in-law Mark Rainsford I, to Mark Rainsford II, and thence to lessor Mark Rainsford III. (IE, LXX( ) @ 25) The rest, as the saying goes, is history!
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31 Dec 00 - 01:27 AM (#366070) Subject: RE: BS: Historical events behind some irish song From: katlaughing WOW! 9,000 year lease! Talk about confidence!! Thanks, Paddymac! That is indeed a cheery note for the end of this year/millennium! Happy New Year! kat |
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31 Dec 00 - 02:16 AM (#366088) Subject: RE: BS: Historical events behind some irish song From: Haruo As I noted in my PM to paddymac, seems to me with a lease like that they oughta be able to reduce the price of their stout. ('Course I don't drink, but still just the principle...) Liland |
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31 Dec 00 - 11:35 AM (#366230) Subject: RE: BS: Historical events behind some irish song From: GUEST,Sarah Liland, It's okay -- they raised the "kick" instead. Sarah |
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31 Dec 00 - 11:43 AM (#366234) Subject: RE: BS: Historical events behind some irish song From: GUEST,Sarah What am I missing here, paddymac? PM you where? St. Patrick's is just ahead, and this is obviously historical info I could use... Sarah |
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31 Dec 00 - 12:14 PM (#366244) Subject: RE: BS: Historical events behind some irish song From: Amergin Sarah, you can join up here (it's free) and then you could go to the drop menu in the upper right side of the screen, scroll down to send some one a private message...click on that, then type his name into the box.... |
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31 Dec 00 - 12:45 PM (#366259) Subject: RE: BS: Historical events behind some irish song From: McGrath of Harlow Murphy's is great stuff too. Either weay "a pint of plain is your only man!
When things go wrong and will not come right,
When money's tight and is hard to get,
When health is bad and your heart feels strange,
When food is scarce and your larder bare,
In time of trouble and lousy strife, Flan O'Brien's tribute to the black stuff - and here is a link to a thread with a bit more about it |
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31 Dec 00 - 03:21 PM (#366347) Subject: RE: BS: Historical events behind some irish song From: paddymac OOPS! I was just reviewing today's message regarding the lease on the St. James Gate brewery in Dublin, and suddenly realized what I think is a typographical error. I can't find a source to check with at the moment, but I believe that the term of the original lease was NOT 9,000 years, but was 900 years. One too many zeros. Still a good deal, but just not "that" good. While I'm at it, let me add that if any reader sees an error in any of the history posts, I would be most happy if you would send me a correction, with a reference source. Kevin - thanks for posting that "Pint O' Plain" poem. I have heard it before as a recitation. Is there a melody to which it is sung? |
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31 Dec 00 - 04:32 PM (#366376) Subject: RE: BS: Historical events behind some irish song From: Nynia AAAAAAGGGGHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!! That means there's only 658 years of Guinness left. (Mass suicide in Dublin). Happy New Year Nynia :-) -) ) |
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31 Dec 00 - 04:49 PM (#366393) Subject: RE: BS: Historical events behind some irish song From: McGrath of Harlow AS I say in that link, there's a sort of natural tune that is likely to assert itself if you ever sing it in the appropriate circumstances. It's really more of a recitation with a chorus line to sing out on. |
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31 Dec 00 - 05:31 PM (#366431) Subject: RE: BS: Historical events behind some irish song From: Jimmy C Thank God for leases. |
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31 Dec 00 - 10:08 PM (#366576) Subject: RE: BS: Historical events behind some irish song From: GUEST,Mickey191 Some of you may know this Guiness Tribute, but for the few who don't: Some Guiness was spilt on the barroom floor when the pub was shut for the night. Wen out of his hole crept a wee brown mouse and sat in the pale moonlight. He lapped up the frothy brew from the floor then back on his haunches he sat, And all night long you could hear him roar, "Bring on the GodDamned cat." Slainte Maithe |
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01 Jan 01 - 01:10 AM (#366607) Subject: RE: BS: Historical events behind some irish song From: paddymac Mickey191 - My band does "the mouse" a capella after an instrumental version of "The Girl I Left Behind Me". If my memory serves correctly, I think the "inspiration" came from Seamus K's rendition of it. A fine fella, and gifted performer. We couldn't have "covered" a better version. |
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02 Jan 01 - 12:04 AM (#366961) Subject: RE: BS: Historical events behind some irish song From: paddymac Sarah - Since Amergin's post regarding joining Mudcat and personal messages, I've been expecting a PM from you. There is a "sarah" who is a member, but not knowing whether it is you, I chose not to send her a PM. I would be happy to add you to the list, but I need your e-mail address. Slan! |
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24 Jan 01 - 06:48 AM (#381099) Subject: RE: BS: Historical events behind some irish song From: Brendy Just got back from the back of beyond, and was delighted to read all the back issues that were waiting in my mailbox. Good man, Paddy. And keep 'em coming. B. |
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24 Jan 01 - 06:48 AM (#381100) Subject: RE: BS: Historical events behind some irish song From: Brendy Just got back from the back of beyond, and was delighted to read all the back issues that were waiting in my mailbox. Good man, Paddy. And keep 'em coming. B. |
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24 Jan 01 - 06:49 AM (#381101) Subject: RE: BS: Historical events behind some irish song From: Brendy and coming...and coming! B. |