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05 Feb 01 - 01:54 PM (#390556) Subject: Gathering of the Clan From: GUEST,Roll&Go-C I'm impressed with the multitude of verses for this bawdy old song in your data base. Some favorite verses I don't see are: Hairy Mary, she was there, She had us all in fits, Swinging from the chandelier And bouncing off her tits... The village bailiff he was there, It really was a farce, We took his chain of office And we shoved it up his arse... Old Matt McGinnis Was stamping on his hat, Forty acres of his corn, Fairly fuck-ed flat. I'm sure there's more out there; I learned my verses from Dennis Puleston of Brookhaven, Long Island, who must be in his eighties by now. |
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05 Feb 01 - 09:35 PM (#391004) Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Gathering of the Clan From: GUEST,Bruce O. I am certain that the day will never come when one can say that the last verse for "The Ball of Kirriemuir" has been written. The song was supposedly written about 1875, but I've never seen an early text of it. Meanwhile, I've added an ABC of the 17th century tune of "Bonny Jean of Aberdeen" (the Scottish Kirriemuir tune) to the 3 later versions in file S1.HTM on my website. [Scarce Songs 1 contains the very rare early 18th text of "Bonny Jean of Aberdeen", but this is apparently a polite reworking of a lost earlier version of the song.] Tunes from the Guthrie MS are always rather wild, and I'm not certain the 17th century tune should even be called a version of the same tune.
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05 Feb 01 - 10:43 PM (#391058) Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Gathering of the Clan From: GUEST,Bruce O. Another note Note that the model for "The Ball of Kiriemuir" is "The West-Country Jigg" in the Scarce Songs 1 file on my website. It's very close to 200 years earlier. The Scots tune used for it isn't the same one used for "The Ball of Kirriemuir", however. I ran into a song, "Hamilton Races", c 1770, in a Scots manuscript that on the whole was quite polite, but which had several verses that would fit nicely in "The Ball of Kirriemuir". The song commented on many people and their doings both at the races and at ball held after them. The tune "Hamilton Races" is in McGlashan's 'Reels', c 1781 and 1786, and I regret that I did not copy it when I had the chance. |
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06 Feb 01 - 01:13 AM (#391159) Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Gathering of the Clan From: GUEST,Murray on Salt Spring Roll&Go: I'm not surprised you didn't find the exact words in the DT, but variants of them are either there or in the Forum here [search -- I can't do the blue clicky thing] -- e.g. the farmer one is in the version of James Barke
Big Rab the fermer cursed and swore, That's in the Barke-Smith-Ferguson "Merry Muses". I got a slightly different version in Vancouver many years ago [main differs "spat an' grat", "fairly fuckit flat" -- which has a nice alliteration]. The Hairy Mary verse is really the same as one I heard in Scotland, but whose actor varies widely from place to place:
The District Nurse and she was there, Your bailiff verse is new to me, I think. In Scots we'd call him a bailie. -- There's seemingly no end to the folk who are portrayed as being at the Ball [please don't call it "The Gathering of the Clans"]. The first extant text of this can be dated about 1890 maybe, which gives sufficient time for a notorious orgy of a decade before to have made it into print, however surreptitious. |
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06 Feb 01 - 08:21 AM (#391277) Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Gathering of the Clan From: GUEST,Roll&Go-C Thanks for the comments. I noted a lot of variations as I sifted through the Forum. Clearly, if anyone sang all these verses there wouldn't be any energy left for any doin'. Another slight varient I had was: The village idiot he was there, Up to his same old trick, Pulling his foreskin over his head And whistling through his prick! Seems more musically feasible than some of the other varients. |