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07 Feb 01 - 08:11 PM (#392682) Subject: Big Sciota From: GUEST,jofield Howdy all. Long time no write. A group I pick with over in Paris have discovered a fiddle tune called "Big Sciota". I listened to a rendition on the Web by something called Rhythm Exchange. The tune doesn't do much for me -- no blues in it. Anyways, my French "copins" are wondering if anyone has any information about the tune. They are under the impression that Sciota refers to the town in Pennsylvania and that there is a river of the same name nearby. They also allude to a connection with the Iroquois indians. Anyone able to shed further light on this? |
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07 Feb 01 - 10:43 PM (#392797) Subject: RE: Big Sciota From: jofield OK, my cookie is active, and I feel much better. So...I have since discovered that there is a Sciota River in or near Cincinatti, Ohio, and that the word means "deer" in Iroquois. There also seems to be some connection between the name Sciota and the Mormon church. Anyone care to relate these shards of info to the tune? |
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07 Feb 01 - 10:48 PM (#392801) Subject: RE: Big Sciota From: Sorcha Well, besides Ohio, the best well known Sciota is in PA, but there is also a township in IL called Sciota, and IL is where the Mormans began their migration to Utah from....(I think) |
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07 Feb 01 - 11:03 PM (#392808) Subject: RE: Big Sciota From: catspaw49 Living basically on the Scioto River, I can vouch for the fact it runs through Ohio and has some beautiful scenery and some really awful spots as well. It is west of me here and joins with the Olentangy in Columbus. The river bisects the southern half of the state (E/W) and enters the Ohio at Portsmouth. I think the name is actually Mingo, an Iroquois tribe that lived along the Ohio and Scioto Rivers whose most famous chief was Logan and tried for years to maintain a peace. Sorry, not much other info for you from here in Ohio where we are "eat up" with Indian names for rivers.....Tuscarawas, Muskingum, Olentangy, Scioto, Mohican, Ho-Hocking, Ohio................ Spaw |
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08 Feb 01 - 01:42 AM (#392913) Subject: RE: Big Sciota From: Ebbie Spaw, how is 'Sciota' pronounced? We play the tune but no three of us pronounce it the same. Would you pretty please give us a phonetic hint? Thanks. Eb |
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08 Feb 01 - 01:55 AM (#392916) Subject: RE: Big Sciota From: Sorcha Finally remembered the town in IL that the Mormons left from, it was Navoo, or Nauvoo.........don't know what it has to do with Sciota yet, tho. |
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08 Feb 01 - 05:02 AM (#392969) Subject: RE: Big Sciota From: catspaw49 Ebbie, the word here is spelled S-C-I-O-T-O .....with an O on the end, so it maybe different. Oddly enough, the word is pronounced as the O as "uh".....Anyway, its pronounced sy-OH-tuh (emphasis on the middle OH) with the c being silent (sy or sigh for "sci"... as in science) Spaw |
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08 Feb 01 - 12:26 PM (#393231) Subject: RE: Big Sciota From: Ebbie Thanks, Spaw. Eb |
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08 Feb 01 - 04:26 PM (#393487) Subject: RE: Big Sciota From: GUEST,Les B From "Ceolas - fiddler's companion" site (sorry too lazy to figure out blue clicky) BIG SCIOTY/SCIOTA, THE. Old-Time, Breakdown. USA, West Virginia. G Major. Standard. AABB. A popular tune in the old-timey revival repertoire. It is named for the Scioto/Sciota River, which flows through Ohio and emptys into the Ohio River. The source for most of the versions, Marlinton, West Virginia, fiddler Burl Hammons, evidently played different versions of the tune (or perhaps it was a tune in evolution), for recordings of his playing by different collectors reveal variations of the melody. These different versions have influenced different revival bands -- contrast, for example, the Red Clay Rambler's version (learned from a 1970 field recording of Hammons by Malcolm Owen, Blanton Owen and Bert Levy) with versions based on the Alan Jabbour-collected recording of Burl which appears on the Library of Congress recording "The Hammons Family." See John Salyer's "Kentucky Winder" for a Magoffin County, Ky., variant of "Big Sciota." Sources for notated versions: Burl Hammonds (Marlinton, West Virginia) via Ship in the Clouds (Indiana) [Brody]; Zenith String Band (Connecticut) [Carlin]; Bill Christopherson & Tom Phillips [Phillips]. Brody (Fiddler's Fakebook), 1983; pg. 41. Phillips (Traditional American Fiddle Tunes, Vol. 1), 1994; pg. 24. Bay 209, "The Gypsy Gyppo String Band" (1977. Learned from Burl Hammons via Jenny Cleland {of the Highwoods Stringband}). Carryon Records 005, "The Renegades" (1993). Flying Fish, Red Clay Ramblers - "Stolen Love" (1975. Collected from Burl Hammons in 1970). Folkways 31062, Ship in the Clouds - "Old Time Instrumental Music" (1978). Green Linnet, "Pigtown Fling." Reed Island Ramblers - "Wolves in the Wood" (1997). Rounder 0018, Burl Hammonds - "Shaking Down the Acorns." Rounder 0132, Bob Carlin - "Fiddle Tunes for the Clawhammer Banjo" (1979). Wheatland Records, the Henrie Brothers - "Wheatland Festival 1978." T:Big Scioty L:1/8 M:4/4 K:G |:DE|GA BG AGED|EDEF G2 ((3D/E/F/|G)ABG AGED|EDEF G2 ({DEF}G2)| GFGA Bc d2|e3 f e2 d2|BAGB AGEG|E G2 F G2:| |:z e|gfga gedg|egab a3 e|gfga gedc|Bdef e3 (e|e)fgf edBd|B e2 f e2 (e2|e)fgf edBd| B e2 f e2 A2|BAGB AGED|D {EF}G2 F G2:| WE'LL ALL GO TO HEAVEN WHEN THE DEVIL GOES BLIND. Old-Time, Breakdown. G Major. Standard. Reminiscent of Burl Hammons' "Big Scioty" or John Salyer's "Kentucky Winders." Rounder 0421, Bruce Molsky - "Big Hoedown" (1997. From the 1930's Library of Congress recording {by Jean Thomas} of fiddler Ed Morrison of Breathitt County, Ky.).
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08 Feb 01 - 05:48 PM (#393547) Subject: RE: Big Sciota From: jofield Well, I was just about to humorously inquire if we could please get back to my original question when Les nailed it. I have e-mailed his post to my buddy in France. Merci bien, Les. |
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07 Jun 02 - 05:09 AM (#725059) Subject: RE: Big Sciota From: BanjoRay I heard someone singing some Lyrics to Big Scioto recently. Does anybody know them and where they came from? Cheers |
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07 Jun 02 - 11:03 AM (#725259) Subject: RE: Big Sciota From: GUEST,Russ Spaw, With all due respect and deference to your answer, West Virginians tend to pronounce it sy-OH-tee. |
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07 Jun 02 - 11:11 AM (#725265) Subject: RE: Big Sciota From: catspaw49 What can I say Russ......The WVA state bird is a fly. But I know you are probably right and I don't doubt you 'cause, as you know, in WVA they teach the the R's quite well......Readin', Ritin', and Route 33 to Ohio. (:<)) Ya' know I luvya Russ!! Spaw |
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07 Jun 02 - 11:24 AM (#725275) Subject: RE: Big Sciota From: masato sakurai "The Big Scioty" (sound clip) is on The Hammons Family: The Traditions of a West Virginia Family and Their Friends. ~Masato
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07 Jun 02 - 12:11 PM (#725313) Subject: RE: Big Sciota From: mousethief I assume that's gaelic, and pronounced "bee sah"? Alex |
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07 Jun 02 - 12:36 PM (#725329) Subject: RE: Big Sciota From: GUEST,Russ Spaw, The esteem is mutual. I forgot to mention that the reason I added my comment is because if you suggest playing "Big sy-OH-tuh" in an old time jam the response will probably be "Do you mean Big sy-OH-tee?" |
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22 Apr 09 - 12:17 PM (#2616341) Subject: RE: Big Sciota From: GUEST,vincentbanjo Getting back to one of the original questions, I have ever only heard one person singing lyrics for the tune. And since his singing style is not easy to understand, I simply asked him what the lyrics are. Sung to the "a" part of the tune, they are: Well I lived on the river all of my life never knew nothing but sorry and strife tomorrow's another day.. tomorrow's another day well the river's wide and oh so deep the banks are muddy and oh so steep better not go at night... better not go at night... FYI - he told me that he also sings two other verses from time to time, but usually can only remember them while in the middle of the tune. So I will just have to wait until the next time he's playing it to catch what they are. :) Mike in Aspen |
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22 Apr 09 - 12:42 PM (#2616360) Subject: RE: Big Sciota From: GUEST,BanjoRay The words I remember being sung to Big Scioto sounded a bit like: "I was raised in Idaho Where I come from I don't know" And had lots of "What'll we do with the baby-oh?" Searching doesn't find anything, unfortunately. Ray |
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22 Apr 09 - 01:16 PM (#2616377) Subject: RE: Big Sciota From: GUEST,nickp (cookieless) Ray's lyrics come from (via) Richie Stearns (Horse Flies) when he was in the Rnegades with James Leva, June Drucker and Carol Elizabeth Jones. A compilation of their now out of 'print' recordings (1993 & 1995) can be found as FRC605 from the Field Recorders Collective - www.fieldrecorder.com - and well worth every penny/cent (as are all of their catalogue. If I get the time I'll listen to the lyrics and list them but it may not be for a few days so someone may be quicker. They call it Big Scioti Nick |
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22 Apr 09 - 01:17 PM (#2616378) Subject: RE: Big Sciota From: GUEST,nick again Needless to say that should have been 'Renegades' |
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22 Apr 09 - 04:17 PM (#2616498) Subject: RE: Big Sciota From: open mike i posted this a couple of yours ago and it never showed up - trying again. searching on J C's tunefinder ( a marvelous reference site) John Chambers occasionally posts on mudcat... http://trillian.mit.edu/~jc/cgi/abc/tunefind?P=big+sciot&find=FIND&m=title&W=wide&limit=1000&thresh=5&V=1&fmt=single i have always heard it called big Scioti like rhyming with coyote sky oat tea, ki oat tea, .but i see now that the sky is silent... |
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22 Apr 09 - 06:48 PM (#2616580) Subject: RE: Big Sciota From: GUEST,BanjoRay Thanks, Nick - that's great Ray |
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22 Apr 09 - 07:02 PM (#2616588) Subject: RE: Big Sciota From: catspaw49 Forgot about this thread but I want to apologize to any and all for the West Virginia jokes especially in light of the tornado laden band of storms that just passed through there. Lots of destruction and even the governor is homeless as one took out the Governor's Mansion in Charleston. I saw some pictures and the entire trailer park was flattened................... Spaw |
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23 Apr 09 - 02:21 PM (#2617131) Subject: RE: Big Sciota From: GUEST,nickp still cookieless coz I'm lazy.. As far as I can make them out (A's & B's of music) A1 Born and raised in Idaho Where I'm bound I don't know You stay home with the baby-o You stay home with the baby-o A2 blank blank you stay home with the baby-o You stay home with the baby-o B1 & B2 no lyrics When I come home from far away You can go and I will stay I will stay with the baby-o I will stay with the baby-o blank blank I will stay with the baby-o I will stay with the baby-o And for you I sing this song (indistinct) All about my baby-o It's all about my baby-o blank blank All about my baby-o All about my baby-o pattern changes no lyrics for A B1 What you gonna do with the baby-o Where oh where did my baby go blank What you gona do with the baby-o B2 blank A bit hasty but I think I've got it right. |
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23 Apr 09 - 07:56 PM (#2617361) Subject: RE: Big Sciota From: GUEST,BanjoRay Cheers, Nick |
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24 Apr 09 - 06:37 AM (#2617645) Subject: RE: Big Sciota From: nickp I've emailed Richie and will pass on any response |
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24 Apr 09 - 03:04 PM (#2618010) Subject: RE: Big Sciota From: GUEST,Russ Spaw, I an truly touched. By the way, when I left WV I had to go east. Ohio had closed the border with WV. Russ (Permanent GUEST and expat West Virginian) |
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24 Apr 09 - 03:07 PM (#2618013) Subject: RE: Big Sciota From: John Hardly Spaw lives near the Big Sciota. The irony is that he's got a Tiny Scrota. |
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22 Aug 09 - 01:47 PM (#2706238) Subject: RE: Big Sciota From: GUEST,Jim Junker I have come across a great version of the Big Scioty that was video recorded at Clifftop 2009. It sounds like they are singing the words that nick p noted above. Rachel Eddy (fiddle), Elizabeth Fitch (fiddle), Kristian Herner (banjo), Kevin Fitch (banjo uke), and Ashley Carder (guitar) play Big Scioty under a tarp while it rains at Clifftop 2009. Big Scioty - Clifftop 2009 - In the rain |
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01 Sep 09 - 12:38 AM (#2713451) Subject: RE: Big Sciota From: GUEST,Erin Does anyone know the lyrics to Big Sciota by Old Crow Medicine Show? I think they are different from the versions previously submitted. |
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15 Sep 09 - 07:16 PM (#2724452) Subject: RE: lyr/Origins: Big Sciota From: GUEST Whyz people got put words to good tunes... fine with outem |
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20 Oct 09 - 08:30 PM (#2749070) Subject: RE: lyr/Origins: Big Sciota From: GUEST,CatMando What matters to me is that this great old song get some performance time. Try it this way, folks. Big Sciota Born and raised in Ohio Where I'm bound for I don't know You stay home with the baby-o You stay home with the baby-o Repeat first A part X2 You stay home with the baby-o You stay home with the baby-o B1 & B2 no lyrics When I come home from far away You can go and I will stay I will stay with the baby-o I will stay with the baby-o Repeat first A part X2 I will stay with the baby-o I will stay with the baby-o B1 & B2 no lyrics The river's wide and oh so deep The banks are muddy and oh so steep Better not go at night-o... Better not go at night-o... Repeat first A part X2 Better not go at night-o... Better not go at night-o... Cordelle up in the pouring rain Turn around go down again All about my baby-o It's all about my baby-o Repeat first A part X2 All about my baby-o It's all about my baby-o Well I lived on the river all of my life Never knew nothing but sorrow and strife Tomorrow's another day-o Tomorrow's another day-o Repeat first A part X2 Tomorrow's another day-o Tomorrow's another day-o B1 & B2 no lyrics What you gonna do with the baby-o What you gonna do with the baby-o Where oh where did my baby go Where oh where did my baby go Repeat first A part X2 What you gonna do with the baby-o Where oh where did my baby go Outro: B1 & B2 no lyrics |
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21 Oct 09 - 06:06 AM (#2749275) Subject: RE: lyr/Origins: Big Sciota From: nickp Hey CatMando, interesting set of lyrics. The extra ones got a source or are ones you've put together? Nick |
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21 Oct 09 - 10:03 AM (#2749438) Subject: RE: lyr/Origins: Big Sciota From: GUEST,leeneia "The West Virginia state bird is a fly." Thanks, Spaw, for the good laugh. You are one in a million. |
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21 Oct 09 - 07:07 PM (#2749818) Subject: RE: lyr/Origins: Big Sciota From: GUEST,Catmando Nickp: Pieced together from this thread and what I could make out of Jim Junker's lead to this YouTube bit: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wpXPD72hZis&feature=channel_page Sings well, tells a story audiences like. |
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22 Oct 09 - 04:14 AM (#2750035) Subject: RE: lyr/Origins: Big Sciota From: nickp Thank you. I'll check him out. |
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21 Oct 14 - 12:09 PM (#3671041) Subject: RE: lyr/Origins: Big Sciota From: GUEST,Pickin' Slim The "c" is silent, so, like "sigh" + "oh" + "tah". |