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12 Feb 01 - 11:55 AM (#396343) Subject: Phrase in Stanley Holloway monologue From: Grab There's a Stanley Holloway monologue in the DT called Three ha'pence a foot, which has the lines, "So Sam put his tongue out at Noah, And Noah made long bacon at Sam." Does anyone know what "long bacon" means? I've searched all the slang/colloquial/dialect references online that I can find, and none of them have it listed. Can anyone help? Cheers, Grab. |
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12 Feb 01 - 12:14 PM (#396360) Subject: RE: Help: Phrase in Stanley Holloway monologue From: Steve Parkes I remember year ago Bill Caddick said he thought it was "like this", and put his fingers in the corners of his mouth and pulled (sticking your tongue out is optional!). I don't know for certain, though. I'll see if I can find out. Steve |
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12 Feb 01 - 12:25 PM (#396374) Subject: RE: Help: Phrase in Stanley Holloway monologue From: Les from Hull Yes, that's what I always thought. But aren't these actually Stanley Holloway/Marriott Edgar monologues. It would be nice to credit the writer. |
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12 Feb 01 - 12:39 PM (#396391) Subject: RE: Help: Phrase in Stanley Holloway monologue From: bill\sables Three Ha'pence a Foot wes indeed written my Mariott Edgar in 1932 |
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12 Feb 01 - 12:58 PM (#396418) Subject: RE: Help: Phrase in Stanley Holloway monologue From: Fiolar According to the Cassell Dictionary of Slang a "long bacon" is 20th century slang for making the gesture of "thumbing one's nose." |
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12 Feb 01 - 02:07 PM (#396481) Subject: RE: Help: Phrase in Stanley Holloway monologue From: GUEST,Yorkie bill\sables is right. I have the "Stanley Holloway Monologues2 book, which says this was written by Marriott Edgar in 1932. (It' a great read!) |
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12 Feb 01 - 02:16 PM (#396487) Subject: RE: Help: Phrase in Stanley Holloway monologue From: Grab Cheers Fiolar, now I won't look as much of a tit if anyone asks me at the folk club. Looking a tit is by way of being compulsory anyway, but the extent is optional! :-) Les: yeah, I found that out during my searching. Incidentally, I found 2 Stanley Holloway sites off Google, and both gave Sam's name as "Oglethwaite", not "Oswaldthwaite". Different versions? "Oswaldthwaite" certainly sounds a better Lancashire name though. Grab. |
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12 Feb 01 - 02:23 PM (#396492) Subject: RE: Help: Phrase in Stanley Holloway monologue From: Greyeyes Surely Sam was from Yorkshire. In "Beat the retreat" he says "I'm British and Yorkshire bah gum, and she'd [his mam] beat the retreat on the seat of my pants if I beat the retreat on my drum." That's from memory so may not be accurate. |
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12 Feb 01 - 02:27 PM (#396495) Subject: RE: Help: Phrase in Stanley Holloway monologue From: Hollowfox When I last saw Tony Barrand perform this, he put a thumb to his nose, spread the fingers, touched the thumb of his other hand to the little finger of the first, stretched out the fingers of the second hand as well, and waggled the fingers that weren't being used as "anchors." Obviously, this takes longer to describe than to do. |
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12 Feb 01 - 03:12 PM (#396527) Subject: RE: Help: Phrase in Stanley Holloway monologue From: LR Mole I believe this gesture is also referred to as "cocking a snook".True? |
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12 Feb 01 - 07:34 PM (#396727) Subject: RE: Help: Phrase in Stanley Holloway monologue From: Snuffy Sam Oglethwaite was in Bury (Lancs). |
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12 Feb 01 - 11:35 PM (#396842) Subject: RE: Help: Phrase in Stanley Holloway monologue From: Anglo Pray do not confuse Sam Oglethwaite of Bury with the Yorkshire Sam Small (the latter of "Sam, Pick up thy Musket" fame, and other military extravagances including the one quoted above). |
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13 Feb 01 - 12:49 AM (#396874) Subject: RE: Help: Phrase in Stanley Holloway monologue From: Noreen Don't know why Sam's name is changed to Oswaldthwaite in the DT- presumably just mis-hearing of Oglethwaite. Rest of t'words are fine. Noreen in Bury (you know, where black puddings is made) |
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13 Feb 01 - 02:44 AM (#396903) Subject: RE: Help: Phrase in Stanley Holloway monologue From: Greyeyes I stand corrected. |
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13 Feb 01 - 04:19 AM (#396924) Subject: RE: Help: Phrase in Stanley Holloway monologue From: Bugsy Hollowfox is correct. That is how one makes long bacon. But you also stick your tongue out. CHeers Bugsy Whocoppedmanyathickearfordoingsame. |
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13 Feb 01 - 08:59 AM (#396985) Subject: RE: Help: Phrase in Stanley Holloway monologue From: Hollowfox Tony probably left that bit out as he was reciting the poem at the time. *g* |
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13 Feb 01 - 09:48 AM (#397005) Subject: RE: Help: Phrase in Stanley Holloway monologue From: IanC Folks Far as I'm aware, making "long bacon" is dropping your pants and showing your arse. Don't know about making faces - may be a polite way of doing it?
Cheers! |
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13 Feb 01 - 12:48 PM (#397122) Subject: RE: Help: Phrase in Stanley Holloway monologue From: GUEST,JohnB Of course it was a Yorkshire Sam beating a retreat, A Lacashire born Sam would never do such a thing. JohnB |
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13 Feb 01 - 12:55 PM (#397127) Subject: RE: Help: Phrase in Stanley Holloway monologue From: Jande LRMole: "cocking a snoot" is placing the thumb upside down against the nose and pressing the nose upwards until the nostrils show (while making a face or sticking out the tongue). I *think* that's a Cockney phrase. Anyone know for sure? ~ Jande |
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13 Feb 01 - 03:51 PM (#397281) Subject: RE: Help: Phrase in Stanley Holloway monologue From: Greyeyes JohnB, he didn't, that's the whole point of the monologue. |
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13 Feb 01 - 06:15 PM (#397416) Subject: RE: Help: Phrase in Stanley Holloway monologue From: GUEST,Yorkie Greyeyes; pretty close - "And she'd beat the retreat on me trousers, If I were to beat the retreat on me drum" that's from Sam, Sam, Beat the Retreat ( by R.P.Weston and Bert Lee, 1931) Stanley Holloway wrote the first Sam Small monologue; Old Sam,in 1929, then 'Alt Who Goes There, in 1930, and One Each Apiece All Round in 1931. Sam small was a Yorkshireman Grab; Sam Oglethwaite was a different fella, came from Bury 3 Ha'pence a Foot Reissued on Music For Pleasure 1114(33 1/3), 1975 |
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14 Feb 01 - 04:46 PM (#398103) Subject: RE: Help: Phrase in Stanley Holloway monologue From: Greyeyes Thanks Yorkie, actually I think mine scans better. :-) |
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14 Feb 01 - 06:46 PM (#398175) Subject: RE: Help: Phrase in Stanley Holloway monologue From: GUEST,Yorkie Greyeyes; not if you say it in a drumming rhythm! |
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15 Feb 01 - 09:02 AM (#398484) Subject: RE: Help: Phrase in Stanley Holloway monologue From: GUEST,Greyeyes I get it. |