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18 Mar 01 - 12:27 PM (#420448) Subject: Foot and mouth. From: Fergie I was at the Goilín singers club in Dublin on Friday and one of the Mudcatters got a rousing reception when he sang a song about the F&M outbreak in England, could he please publish the words for us all to see. Also has anybody got other songs about Foot and mouth. Also so that there should be no mistake The Republic of Ireland is totally foot and mouth free, all measures being taken here are to prevent the disease coming here from our nearest (and dearest) neighbour. |
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18 Mar 01 - 01:12 PM (#420463) Subject: RE: Foot and mouth. From: Jeri There's a song posted in uk.music.folk here: Fire in the Fields. Written by Tony Brode after the last outbreak in 1967. |
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18 Mar 01 - 05:26 PM (#420575) Subject: RE: Foot and mouth. From: Greyeyes Previous F&M threads can be found here Both contain relevant song lyrics.
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19 Mar 01 - 01:04 PM (#420952) Subject: RE: Foot and mouth. From: Mr Red I think we should cancel the general election - and local ones if that is legal. The pre-emptive cull is only a percentage tactic, so would cancelling the the election be. But if we are serious it is a minor annoyance and only to the encumbant government anyway. Either that or we could go for a pre-emptive cull of politicians. All those in favour......... I wrote to my MP on this matter. I am by and large a non-political animal so this is a first for me. I just hate this kind of political arrogance. |
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19 Mar 01 - 01:14 PM (#420964) Subject: RE: Foot and mouth. From: nutty Two cases have just been confirmed in Tony Blair's constituancy so he won't be able to dodge the issue now |
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19 Mar 01 - 01:47 PM (#421003) Subject: RE: Foot and mouth. From: McGrath of Harlow I haven't written one about foot and mouth - but click here for one I did about BSE, a few years back.
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19 Mar 01 - 05:42 PM (#421141) Subject: RE: Foot and mouth. From: GUEST,Martin Ryan That was me! I've put it in another thread but will link it here when I get a chance. Regards |
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19 Mar 01 - 06:11 PM (#421153) Subject: RE: Foot and mouth. From: Jeri The song is in the second link (the "and here" one) in Greyeyes' post above. |
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19 Mar 01 - 07:25 PM (#421205) Subject: RE: Foot and mouth. From: Lanfranc A non-selective cull of politicians to eliminate foot in mouth and Munchausen Syndrome (not to mention overweening arrogance) would get my vote! How many plagues did Egypt suffer? I reckon we've still got a few to go!
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20 Mar 01 - 05:31 AM (#421366) Subject: RE: Foot and mouth. From: Hawker Alan, Are you referring to plagues of politicians?LOL Seems to be getting more serious down here The handling by all still seems totally disorganised, they talk of culling healthy animals, but they can't even get it together on the culling of the sick ones here! what are they playing at? And we still have local farmers illegally moving livestock! Madness itself! Lucy |
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20 Mar 01 - 10:03 AM (#421521) Subject: RE: Foot and mouth. From: Mrs.Duck We have a theory that the whole way of dealing witht the current problem is the governments way of punishing the farmers for the fuel crisis. It is my understanding that in Argentina (where we get a lot of our corned beef) foot and mouth is indemic but not regarded as a major problem as it causes little or no harm to humans and cattle who survive become immune to it. Certainly the current situation where dead animals are stacked in fields for anything up to a week waiting for incineration can only be detrimental to public health and I would rather take my chances with foot and mouth. |
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20 Mar 01 - 12:15 PM (#421632) Subject: RE: Foot and mouth. From: Maryrrf The whole foot and mouth issue is kind of confusing to me. If it doesn't affect humans, and it isn't fatal to the animals, why is it such a big deal? It just seems so extreme to kill healthy animals and close off the countryside to tourists, etc. |
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20 Mar 01 - 12:46 PM (#421672) Subject: RE: Foot and mouth. From: Mr Red Maryrrf Yes but would you buy food that was "no longer" diseased or "never" diseased. Public perception and marketing i$ the an$wer. |
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20 Mar 01 - 02:00 PM (#421738) Subject: RE: Foot and mouth. From: Peter K (Fionn) F&M is no threat to humans and eating animals infected with it would be no worse than eating a human or dog that had a cold. (For my own part I am happy to avoid eating all species, infected or not.) BSE on the other hand can transmit to humans as variant CJD. Can't say I'm looking forward to the elections, such is the miserable choice, but equally I can't see a problem either. Mass meetings, hustings, heckling etc sadly fell by the wayside years ago, and most local campaigning/canvassing is totally eclipsed by a few soundbites on the news at ten. And thanks to new legislation since last time, we can all have a postal vote, just for the asking. |
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20 Mar 01 - 04:20 PM (#421850) Subject: RE: Foot and mouth. From: McGrath of Harlow Yes but would you buy food that was "no longer" diseased or "never" diseased. (Mr Red) There may be lots of reasons not to eat our fellow creatures, but the fact that they have had a few bouts of illness in their life and recovered aren't among them.
If I ever run up against cannibals, I hope they are as squeamish and consumerist as Mr Red assumes the rest of us are. "Honest, I can prove it - I had flu last winter. You don't want to eat me!" (After all, if I caught foot and mouth, the symptoms would be very similar to those in a moderate bout of flu.)
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20 Mar 01 - 04:49 PM (#421878) Subject: RE: Foot and mouth. From: Penny S. I have heard accounts that the effects of the disease can be worse than unpleasant in some beasts - I haven't heard of people's tongues dropping out from flu, or sores eating right through a leg. It is therefore a welfare issue. However, the current methods seem a bit extreme, especially as they aren't working. Penny |
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21 Mar 01 - 01:50 AM (#422190) Subject: RE: Foot and mouth. From: Sourdough It isn't fair to think that just because F&M doesn't affect humans we should let it run rampant. Farming methods are the reason for the spread of the disease. I think that one important reason for taking F&M so seriously is that it can run rampant through wildlife. One of the problems of a market based economy is the drive to lower prices without regard to the price the environment pays so F&M spreads because of the factory methods of livestock farming and the need to move stressed animals around the country. Stressed animals get sick and become a reservoir of sickness infecting otherwise healthy animals. Does anyone here have some first-hand information about F&M? I am reciting some predigested (if you will excuse the expression) news stories. Sourdough |
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21 Mar 01 - 04:27 AM (#422211) Subject: RE: Foot and mouth. From: Llanfair Sourdough, try the MAFF site, it gives a lot of information. The Foot&Mouth II thread also has some information. Whatever the pros and cons of the action being taken, communities are being devastated, buisinesses are being ruined (and not just farmers), and a lot of animals are dying. Bron. |
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21 Mar 01 - 05:00 AM (#422213) Subject: RE: Foot and mouth. From: nutty The MAFF site ( www.maff.gov.uk ) is even more frightening than what you read in the papers. At least when reading the paper you can pretend that it's journalistic licence whereas when reading this site - the whole thing becomes even more horrific as you realise just how much of the country is affected |
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21 Mar 01 - 05:18 AM (#422215) Subject: RE: Foot and mouth. From: Wolfgang One can only hope, Fergie will find the song information she has asked for among all those posts. Wolfgang |
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21 Mar 01 - 08:52 AM (#422291) Subject: RE: Foot and mouth - song From: Jeri Wolfgang, I believe it was found when Greyeyes linked to the other threads. Martin Ryan sang the song, and posted it. It's here - Foot and Mouth Disease (J Burke, Donegal). |
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21 Mar 01 - 09:02 AM (#422300) Subject: RE: Foot and mouth. From: Wolfgang Yes, Jeri, I believe so too. It was my very very indirect way of saying that there are two foot and mouth threads for discussions already running and this thread here was a request for one particular song and other songs about foot and mouth. It is just my personal preference that these things should be kept in different threads. Wolfgang |
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22 Mar 01 - 08:36 PM (#423671) Subject: RE: Foot and mouth. From: Fergie Eh! this she is by the way a he, yes I have got the words of the song and yes it was Martin Ryan sang the song and he did a very good rendition of it as well, thanks Martin. But the dreaded F & M is now in Ireland agus is more an trua e sin. Thanks everybody for their contribution. |
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22 Mar 01 - 08:41 PM (#423674) Subject: RE: Foot and mouth. From: GUEST,peg in florida For those of you familiar with The Witches' Voice (www.witchvox.com), Wren and Fritz received word from some witches and others in Ireland that they will be holding a major healing ritual for the hoof and mouth epidemic which now has its first confirmed case in the Irish Republic. It will be Saturday March 24th at 9 pm Ireland time... I would imagine any prayers, magic or thoughts you could offer would be welcome at that time! Other witches across Britain have been working magic nightly at 9 pm...lighting white candles and praying for healing and a halt to the spread of the disease. Peg
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23 Mar 01 - 03:11 AM (#423848) Subject: RE: Foot and mouth. From: Wolfgang sorry about the 'she'; second time I wrongly assumed in Mudcat I could tell the gender from a name. Wolfgang |
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23 Mar 01 - 08:39 AM (#423959) Subject: RE: Foot and mouth. From: GUEST,Greyeyes The reason we are not eating the contaminated meat is because it is theoretically possible for the virus to mutate and become a risk to humans, precisely as has happened with BSE/CJD. Anyone who feels comfortable about eating meat contaminated with foot & mouth should think very carefully about the possible consequences. It was only a few years ago that a Tory MP was filmed publicly feeding his small children beefburgers to demonstrate how safe British beef was, so certain were the government that humans couldn't catch BSE from the meat of infected cattle. |