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01 Jun 01 - 01:44 PM (#474574) Subject: THE TRUTH From: kendall Remember those rumors about the Clinton administration trashing the White House and vandalizing government buildings when they left? Well! I heard a report today on public radio, and, as a result of an investigation by the GSA (General Services Administration) the agency that takes care of government property, it was all a bunch of crap. It never happened! Good grief, was the truth about that bunch not bad enough that the right wingers had to make up this s..t? |
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01 Jun 01 - 01:50 PM (#474581) Subject: RE: BS: THE TRUTH From: mousethief They were just returning honor and integrity to the Whitehouse. LOL! Alex |
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01 Jun 01 - 01:59 PM (#474588) Subject: RE: BS: THE TRUTH From: Jim Krause Ha! I knew it!Jimwhohasbeenaccusedofbeingslightlyred |
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01 Jun 01 - 02:03 PM (#474590) Subject: RE: BS: THE TRUTH From: Clinton Hammond I did no such thing!! :-) |
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01 Jun 01 - 02:15 PM (#474603) Subject: RE: BS: THE TRUTH From: Jim Dixon Can anyone cite a source for this information? I'd love to read the full report. I'd like to know who started the rumor in the first place, and why the media so readily reported it. I hope whoever is responsible for this hoax gets hung out to dry. By the way, I heard that SOME of the furniture that the Clintons removed from the White House, and later returned, turned out to have been given to the Clintons after all. But this was never reported as widely as the original removal, was it? While I have no doubt this actually happened, I am inclined to attribute it to honest mistakes, rather than dishonesty and greed, as some have done. |
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01 Jun 01 - 02:19 PM (#474606) Subject: RE: BS: THE TRUTH From: Kim C I heard at the time, that it's a pretty common practice for the employees of the outgoing administration to do little pranks. Not vandalism, necessarily, but a little devilment. I won't argue that it was probably way overhyped. But where there's smoke, there may be fire. |
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01 Jun 01 - 02:44 PM (#474635) Subject: RE: BS: THE TRUTH From: CarolC It was the same thing with the news coverage (fabrication) of the infamous $200 haircut that held up airport traffic for hours. Remember that little bit of journalistic idiocy?
It never happened. The figure of $200 came from one of the news people calling the hair stylist who did Clinton's hair and asking what their most expensive hair cut cost. The actual cost of President Clinton's hair cut was somewhere around $20. And Airforce One never held up any air traffic, either. It was parked on a side runway that was not in use at the time. It's stuff like this that makes me laugh at people who think the media has a liberal bias. |
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01 Jun 01 - 02:54 PM (#474650) Subject: RE: BS: THE TRUTH From: BobP The press created it, the press tried to bury it. The NY Times (story origin) produced no documents issued by Bush Administration Officials supporting the notion that charges were made based on isinformation. A typical bugout mess was the language I recall hearing on the news the night the story broke. Think about it, someone ranksacks your office, so you inventory the damage and file a police, or at least an insurance report. Now imagine doing that anonymously. It's certainly not my job to defend repubs but there should be plenty of documented atrocities by now to "get them on". By the way, does anyone know where that feces laden Madonna hangs these days? |
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01 Jun 01 - 02:56 PM (#474655) Subject: RE: BS: THE TRUTH From: SDShad My favorite bit of all the prankery, far funnier than removing the Ws from keyboards, was the hanging of signs on various doors that said things like "Office of Strategery." But, consider that this White House team, led by Karl Rove, is the same bunch that ran--with success, sadly--a vicious whisper campaign against John McCain during the South Carolina primary suggesting that he, well, maybe wasn't too right in the head due to having been tortured in Vietnam. Tortured in Vietnam, mind you, at the same time George Walker Bush was sitting out the war in an Air National Guard assignment that he never really had to show up for, courtesy of Daddy. So is it any wonder that Rove and his bunch privately encouraged the rumors of vandalism, providing journalists with alleged details of the vandalism--"on background," mind you--while publicly downplaying the scandal with a quick wink and a nudge, saying they wouldn't get into all that because their boy is a uniter, not a divider, and came to change the acrimonious tone in Washington--all while never bothering to admit that none of it was true, and while fueling the fire behind the scenes. So apparently, this--along with the way they treated Jeffords and other moderate Republicans--is what they meant by "compassionate conservatism." I'd been wondering. Shad |
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01 Jun 01 - 03:07 PM (#474664) Subject: RE: BS: THE TRUTH From: chip a Why is it that one report from N.P.R. has everyone here convinced that the many reports earlier were all wrong? Perhaps they were. Or maybe N.P.R. has it wrong. Can anyone produce the G.S.A. report? Just a thought.:-) A little right of center Chip A. |
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01 Jun 01 - 03:11 PM (#474666) Subject: RE: BS: THE TRUTH From: CarolC Well, chip a, concerning the report that I was talking about, the fact that it was a fabrication was documented a long time ago. (Several years ago.) I don't know where you could look now to see this documentation. Maybe someone who is better at doing searches could point you in the right direction. |
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01 Jun 01 - 03:26 PM (#474676) Subject: RE: BS: THE TRUTH From: GUEST,djh Do you all mean to tell me that the American Media can't be trusted, that even our most respected news organizations aren't above sensationalistic half truths and distortions that suit the political leanings of the organization doing the reporting? Next you'll tell me there is no Easter Bunny. On a more serious note; Anyone who believes the media here is liberal, probably believes it is revisionist history that Ronald Reagan's presidency was a failure that left us with a heap of dept, and broke the back of our labor unions. |
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01 Jun 01 - 03:28 PM (#474677) Subject: RE: BS: THE TRUTH From: dwditty That all depends on how you define the word "trash." |
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01 Jun 01 - 03:30 PM (#474679) Subject: RE: BS: THE TRUTH From: SDShad What on earth makes you think it's just NPR, Chip A? Just don't want to let go if it, even if it isn't true, huh? Okay, then, try: This article from the Kansas City Star. Or, perhaps, this article from Salon. Or, another, more in-depth article from Salon. AP and Knight-Ridder have run stories on the GAO review. The New York Times and Washington Post--you know, those borderline-commie bastions of the Liberal Media Elite(tm)--which had been so enthusiastic to run stories about the "scandal" when it broke, aren't too interested in trumpeting the egg on their face, and aren't apparently reporting the truth of the matter very aggressively. But give credit to Fox News. Granted, Fox is as biased in the conservative direction as the Times and Post are alleged to be in the liberal direction. But at least they had the cojones to fess up. Make sure you read all three pages of that last Salon article, where you'll find that Fox's Tony Snow unequivocally apologized for reporting the fake scandal, saying "OK, I'm sorry. The ex-president's pals have a legitimate beef." Or maybe, just maybe, those liberal Klinton-boot-lickers at the hated NPR made the whole GAO report up. Yeah, that's probably what happened. Shad |
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01 Jun 01 - 03:47 PM (#474689) Subject: RE: BS: THE TRUTH From: Charley Noble THE TRUTH IS OUT THERE! Or is it here? |
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01 Jun 01 - 04:38 PM (#474723) Subject: RE: BS: THE TRUTH From: Little Hawk Ah well, the Kuwaiti incubator story comes to mind doesn't it? All those dead babies that never really happened. Oh, those vicious Iraquis!!! (sarcasm) Remember? That was the incident that got the public onside for Daddy Bush and the Gulf War, and helped Bush the Elder finally do away with the "wimp" factor. You see, to the media, it's not whether something is true but whether it sounds true that really matters. Things that sound true get results, Bubba! They are actually in the entertainment business, to put it kindly...or the propaganda business, to put it less kindly. - LH |
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01 Jun 01 - 04:39 PM (#474724) Subject: RE: BS: THE TRUTH From: chip a Shad, Really, I was just responding to Kendall's post, in which only N.P.R. was mentioned. I wasn't too interested at the time of the alledged deed and I'm not too interested now. I certainly wasn't wanting to pick a fight.If you are, you'll need to go elsewhere. There are battles enough in my life already. Chip A. |
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01 Jun 01 - 04:43 PM (#474727) Subject: RE: BS: THE TRUTH From: SDShad Not picking a fight, either, Chip. Just a little tired of the old "if it's on NPR, you shouldn't believe it" reaction ya so often get from a lot of conservatives, and my perception of that is what I was reacting to. Sorry to have misinterpreted. Shad |
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01 Jun 01 - 05:01 PM (#474740) Subject: RE: BS: THE TRUTH From: Peg $200 ain't that much for a haircut; anyone who goes to newbury Street in Boston and tries to get a haircut in a Salon may well pay that much or more, depending on what they get done...
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01 Jun 01 - 05:10 PM (#474746) Subject: RE: BS: THE TRUTH From: chip a Newberry Street? I spent (wasted away) many moons on and around Newberry in the sixties. I once knew every inch of every alley and "every lock that ain't locked when no-one's around" there. Back Bay Boston. When all the unmarked cruisers had lisence plates beginning with 417! Well, that was in another life. Thanks for the memories! Chip A. |
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01 Jun 01 - 06:08 PM (#474794) Subject: RE: BS: THE TRUTH From: Jim Dixon I just spent the last couple of hours trying to track down the $200 haircut story. There are lots of references to the story, mostly put up by Clinton-haters or jokers. It was hard to find any facts. I found a web site called Frankly Speaking (which, according to another site, belongs to Frank Mancuso) which contains the following chronology: (edited by me for clarity): May 20, 1993 - "HairGATE" begins with allegation that $200 Clinton haircut by Beverly Hills hairstylist Cristophe at LAX on May 18 closed two of four runways for nearly an hour.Here's a transcript of the Press Briefing on May 20 by Dee Dee Myers. Here's a transcript of the another Press Briefing on May 20, by George Stephanopoulos. Here's a transcript of an interview in which Clinton answered some questions about the haircut. Here's the transcript of a PBS Frontline interview with Dee Dee Myers about "A $200 Haircut at LAX" Here's the transcript of a PBS program called The Power Game, hosted by Hedrick Smith and based on his book by the same name. |
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01 Jun 01 - 06:14 PM (#474799) Subject: RE: BS: THE TRUTH From: Sorcha TRUTH??? YOU WANT TRUTH???? haaaahhhaaa hhaaaaaahhhaaa(Scorch goes away cackling to herself.....) |
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01 Jun 01 - 06:21 PM (#474806) Subject: RE: BS: THE TRUTH From: Little Hawk Several spiritual books I have read suggest that "the truth" is something we, as creative beings, are constantly in the process of making up or reinventing...like our social mores and moral concepts. Thus there are many truths, each one applicable and reasonable within its own frame of reference. There is an ultimate truth too, but it is not likely to be found in political debates. - LH |
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01 Jun 01 - 07:11 PM (#474840) Subject: RE: BS: THE TRUTH From: CarolC Thanks for those, Jim Dixon. I particularly enjoyed this bit...
REP. NEWT GINGRICH/HOUSE SPEAKER [ON TAPE]: It is perfectly American to be wrong. It is perfectly American to have bad judgment. He really did have a way with words, didn't he? |
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01 Jun 01 - 07:27 PM (#474848) Subject: RE: BS: THE TRUTH From: kendall I am a hard core liberal, but, I value the truth way above any political loyalty. Has Mr. O'Rilley apologized? he was screeming FELONY at the time. Apparently, Dubbya sees no reason to apologize, after all, it was someone elses reputation, not his.
Who steals my purse steals trash |
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01 Jun 01 - 07:33 PM (#474851) Subject: RE: BS: THE TRUTH From: wdyat12 Truth is an abstract of perfection. The world is not perfect. Plato? Things can seem better than they actually are. wdyat12 |
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01 Jun 01 - 07:42 PM (#474858) Subject: RE: BS: THE TRUTH From: Jim Dixon Here's one: A few years ago a lot of people switched from throwing rice at weddings to throwing birdseed, because a story went around that birds would eat the rice and then the rice would swell up in their bellies and kill them. I'll bet that story was hokum, too. Anybody know for sure? |
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01 Jun 01 - 07:47 PM (#474862) Subject: RE: BS: THE TRUTH From: wdyat12 Good thing it wasn't peanut butter. wdyat12 |
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01 Jun 01 - 07:57 PM (#474870) Subject: RE: BS: THE TRUTH From: MarkS I heard the birds exploded. My daughter is getting married at the end of this month and we will use soap bubbles instead of rice or birdseed in deference to neither killing nor attracting the birds. Too bad! Exploding birds! That would be a sight to see! MarkS |
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01 Jun 01 - 08:28 PM (#474884) Subject: RE: BS: THE TRUTH From: Jim Dixon I searched the Washington Post's archives for stories about the $200 haircut. Unfortunately, the Post charges for downloads of complete articles. All you can get free is the headline and first paragraph or so. Here's what I was able to find: Joann Byrd |
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01 Jun 01 - 08:56 PM (#474896) Subject: RE: BS: THE TRUTH From: Sorcha Twenty bucks for Public Information??? What does this tell you?
RE: Exploding Birds--did you see the baseball video? The one where the pitcher actually hit a bird in flight? It was a WOW! The bird really did explode. And it really happened.
Peanut butter? What does peanut butter do to birds? Does this mean I can't feed my ducks peanut butter? (Ms. Know-Nothing about Birds)
Apologize???--When was the last time a pol apologized? When was the last time El Shrub apologized? Surely you don't really expect this............. (cackling again...........from the (maybe?)Wicked Witch of the West) |
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01 Jun 01 - 10:04 PM (#474931) Subject: RE: BS: THE TRUTH From: Jim Dixon Woops! That message of mine above about birdseed vs. rice wasn't meant for this thread. It was supposed to go into the one called Darn!Another Absolute Certain Fact Wrong. Sorry. But I see you're having fun with it anyway. |
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01 Jun 01 - 10:42 PM (#474945) Subject: RE: BS: THE TRUTH From: marty D I still want to know what Clinton did with that cigar, and that's the truth. Oh never mind, it might turn me into a Republican. marty |
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02 Jun 01 - 08:48 AM (#475095) Subject: RE: BS: THE TRUTH From: kendall I heard he was more concerned with where it came from than where it went. |