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13 Jun 01 - 11:04 AM (#482436) Subject: Star of County Down..... Author ? From: GUEST,Bawn Does anybdy kmow of the Author of "The Star of the County Down" ta |
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13 Jun 01 - 11:10 AM (#482440) Subject: RE: Tune Req: Star of County Down..... Author ? From: IanC The tune's very old. There are already quite a few threads on this, so why not try the Lyrics & Forum Search?
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13 Jun 01 - 11:14 AM (#482442) Subject: RE: Tune Req: Star of County Down..... Author ? From: MMario but the basic answer does appear to be "no" |
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13 Jun 01 - 11:16 AM (#482444) Subject: RE: Tune Req: Star of County Down..... Author ? From: Sorcha I thought his name was Trad Anon. (grin) |
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13 Jun 01 - 11:31 AM (#482462) Subject: RE: Tune Req: Star of County Down..... Author ? From: The_one_and_only_Dai The original tune is (with a different time sig) called 'Dives and Lazarus'. I've seen Cotswold Morris done to it, but whether it's from yer actual Morris corpus is unbeknownst to me. Any hankie-wavers who know better? |
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13 Jun 01 - 11:45 AM (#482477) Subject: RE: Tune Req: Star of County Down..... Author ? From: pavane From a hankey waver (Ex Dubai-Sharjah Morris, ex Men of Sweyn's Ey, retired due to injury). Don't know about origins, but it is also used for a traditional song called Gilderoy (Scottish?). |
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13 Jun 01 - 12:40 PM (#482531) Subject: RE: Tune Req: Star of County Down..... Author ? From: Malcolm Douglas According to Colm O'Lochlainn (referred to by John Moulden a few months ago on the Ballad-L list), the Star of the County Down lyric was written by Cathal McGarvey (who also wrote the words of The devil and bailiff McGlynn) some time in the early 20th century. The tune, of course, is much older, and first appeared in Scotland; but you can easily search the Forum for more information about it, as people ask the same questions about it on a fairly regular basis. |
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14 Jun 01 - 03:13 AM (#483102) Subject: RE: Tune Req: Star of County Down..... Author ? From: GUEST I've done a search for it and have been unable to establish an author. We are thinking of recording it and want to ensure there are no copyright issues |
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14 Jun 01 - 04:53 AM (#483131) Subject: RE: Tune Req: Star of County Down..... Author ? From: IanC Guest I don't want to shout but it's very old. AT LEAST 500 YEARS. and THERE ARE NO COPYRIGHT ISSUES. Please see previous threads.
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11 Mar 12 - 06:55 PM (#3321467) Subject: RE: Origin: Star of the County Down From: GUEST,mg I just read somewhere that Cathal McGarvey wrote it...I shall go with that theory...mg |
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11 Mar 12 - 07:00 PM (#3321469) Subject: RE: Origin: Star of the County Down From: GUEST,mg Well, his family says he wrote it. mg http://ramelton.myfreeforum.org/archive/cathal-mcgarvey-writer-of-star-of-the-county-down__o_t__t_41.html can't make a click on this computer...mg |
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11 Mar 12 - 08:24 PM (#3321499) Subject: RE: Origin: Star of the County Down From: GUEST,Donal From the web address above 'did my great-grandfather have any children?' Is he serious?? |
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11 Mar 12 - 08:34 PM (#3321502) Subject: RE: Origin: Star of the County Down From: KHNic Occasional extra verses have been added to this classic song. |
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11 Mar 12 - 11:02 PM (#3321570) Subject: RE: Origin: Star of the County Down From: GUEST,leeneia This thread was started almost eleven years ago. No doubt the recording has been made and sold. Or not, as the case may be. |
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11 Mar 12 - 11:27 PM (#3321578) Subject: RE: Origin: Star of the County Down From: Jeri What recording is it that may or may not have been recorded? |
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11 Mar 12 - 11:35 PM (#3321583) Subject: RE: Origin: Star of the County Down From: Jeri GUEST,Donal, if something you read doesn't make sense to you, consider the possibility you simply didn't understand it. "I'm looking for some information on my great-grandfather (William McGarvey)'s brother, Cathal McGarvey. |
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12 Mar 12 - 07:58 AM (#3321660) Subject: RE: Origin: Star of the County Down From: GUEST,Donal Too right Jeri, I hang my head in shame. Donal |
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12 Mar 12 - 10:13 AM (#3321714) Subject: RE: Origin: Star of the County Down From: GUEST,leeneia No, Jeri, the mistake was mine. I posted to the wrong thread. |
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12 Mar 12 - 11:58 AM (#3321756) Subject: RE: Origin: Star of the County Down From: GUEST,Lighter I asked elsewhere if anyone knows when the song was wrottem. One website says 1920, but that does seem rather late. |
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12 Mar 12 - 12:09 PM (#3321763) Subject: RE: Origin: Star of the County Down From: Little Hawk There is also a church hymn that uses the same tune. It probably predates the popular version of the song. |
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12 Mar 12 - 01:41 PM (#3321803) Subject: RE: Origin: Star of the County Down From: GUEST,Lighter "Written," not "rotten." |
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09 Jan 13 - 06:37 PM (#3463748) Subject: RE: Origin: Star of the County Down From: Jack Campin For anyone who might like to experience this tune as played in Kuala Lumpur on moon lute, bawu, violin and electric organ with added angel wings: Shanghai Angels |
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09 Jan 13 - 07:01 PM (#3463767) Subject: RE: Origin: Star of the County Down From: GUEST,Lighter What fun, Jack! Plus "The Musical Priest"! |
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09 Jan 13 - 08:54 PM (#3463807) Subject: RE: Origin: Star of the County Down From: ripov There is a cornish tune in the same family, "the Marigold", in "RACCA - cornish tunes for cornish sessions". Which says 'collected in 1830'. |
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10 Jan 13 - 09:21 AM (#3463933) Subject: RE: Origin: Star of the County Down From: GUEST,Lighter "The Marigold" is certainly a close relative, with a similar shape and tonality, but it isn't quite "The Star." An early melody virtually identical to "The Star" may exist somewhere under another title, but there are so many relatives around that it seems pointless to search for a precise match. It could easily have evolved without notice. We don't even know if McGarvey set the tune himself: someone else may have turned McGarvey's verses into a song. |
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10 Jan 13 - 11:07 AM (#3463971) Subject: RE: Origin: Star of the County Down From: Leadfingers I heard (Cant give a source) that The Star of the County Down was a Beauty Contest . Anyone know this ? |
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10 Jan 13 - 12:27 PM (#3464019) Subject: RE: Origin: Star of the County Down From: Snuffy Well the Rose of Tralee started as a song, but is now also a beauty contest, so they could easily have done the same in County Down |
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10 Jan 13 - 12:39 PM (#3464028) Subject: RE: Origin: Star of the County Down From: Jack Campin The Star of the County Down is, in one version of the song, a dog. |
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13 Jan 13 - 09:06 AM (#3465424) Subject: RE: Origin: Star of the County Down From: GUEST,John Moulden Jack, I'd be interested if you could cite a source or quote the song where the Star of the County Down is a dog. The song has been much parodied - as in the Belfast based "Star of the Eglantine" In a snug retreat down in Garfield Street one evening last July, Down the steps of a tram came a leg like a ham, And she smiled as she passed me by She looked so fat from the crown of her hat, To her shoes that were size seventeen, With a musquash coat from a long dead goat And a face like a new wide screen" There's a chorus which is even less funny. |
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13 Jan 13 - 04:44 PM (#3465631) Subject: RE: Origin: Star of the County Down From: Jack Campin Somebody in Edinburgh sings it. I'll try to record it next time. If I remember the storyline right, the dog is a greyhound that never wins anything, gets used as a guard dog, and in that capacity gets stolen by a burglar, to its owner's relief. |
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13 Jan 13 - 06:35 PM (#3465682) Subject: RE: Origin: Star of the County Down From: Tattie Bogle Other songs to same tune (and other threads about them!) Van Diemen's Land Crooked Jack |
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14 Jan 13 - 02:11 AM (#3465788) Subject: RE: Origin: Star of the County Down From: Georgiansilver Wikipedia says! Wikipedia can be wrong but hey it's always worth a look eh? |
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14 Jan 13 - 08:44 AM (#3465877) Subject: RE: Origin: Star of the County Down From: GUEST,Gealt < From a hankey waver (Ex Dubai-Sharjah Morris, ex Men of Sweyn's Ey, retired due to injury).>> Fell out of a tree, I should imagine. Familial location risk. |
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14 Jan 13 - 10:57 AM (#3465938) Subject: RE: Origin: Star of the County Down From: GUEST,crazy little woman My copy of the Catholic song book 'Breaking Bread says that the tune used for 'Star of the County Down' is: called 'Kingsfold' is traditional English was adapted by Ralph Vaughan Williams appeared in 'English Country Songs', 1893 My Lutheran hymnal says the same but doesn't mention 1893. ========= People new to folk music may not realize that the tune of a song and its lyrics can live entirely separate lives. The lyrics seem to have been written by an Irishman, so that makes the 'Star of the County Down' Irish, in a sense. However, if you want to record the tune, the fact that it was collected sometime in the 19th C. and then published in 1893 makes it a really safe bet. |
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14 Jan 13 - 04:22 PM (#3466086) Subject: RE: Origin: Star of the County Down From: GUEST,John Moulden It was Irish before that: Colm O'Lochlainn knew it to a 19th century ballad sheet song called 'My Love Nell'. Also about 8 of the songs in the Sam Henry collection use the tune or a variant. |
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14 Jan 13 - 05:20 PM (#3466108) Subject: RE: Origin: Star of the County Down From: GUEST,crazy little woman Okay. If it's even older than 1893, it's even more sure to be public domain. |