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01 Dec 98 - 11:49 AM (#47498) Subject: RE: Can you help find a protest song from the 60s From: Barry Finn I don't know if this is what you're looking for. Bob Dylan did a song about the death of a boxer inside the ring & no one would except blame. Not the other boxer, the ref, the fans. etcIt's called Who Killed Davey Moore
Who killed Davey Moore, why & what's the reason fro Don't remember much of the rest, if this is the one maybe others can fill inn the blanks. Good Luck. Barry |
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01 Dec 98 - 03:09 PM (#47521) Subject: RE: Can you help find a protest song from the 60s From: Pete M No, Barry was right, Dylan wrote "Who killed Davy Moore", in much the same vein as "Who killed Norma Jean". Both based on Who killed Cock Robin. Unfortunately I haven't got the lyrics. Others have used the format to produce similar protests about issues where no one is prepared to accept involvement or responsibility far less blame, usually including an acknowledgement to Dylan rather than Anon. Pete M |
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01 Dec 98 - 05:46 PM (#47536) Subject: Lyr Add: WHO KILLED DAVEY MOORE? (Bob Dylan) From: Barry Finn Got this off a Dylan webpage Who Killed Davey Moore by Bob Dylan WHO KILLED DAVEY MOORE? (Bob Dylan) Who killed Davey Moore, Why an' what's the reason for? "Not I," says the referee, "Don't point your finger at me. I could've stopped it in the eighth An' maybe kept him from his fate, But the crowd would've booed, I'm sure, At not gettin' their money's worth. It's too bad he had to go, But there was a pressure on me too, you know. It wasn't me that made him fall. No, you can't blame me at all." Who killed Davey Moore, Why an' what's the reason for? "Not us," says the angry crowd, Whose screams filled the arena loud. "It's too bad he died that night But we just like to see a fight. We didn't mean for him t' meet his death, We just meant to see some sweat, There ain't nothing wrong in that. It wasn't us that made him fall. No, you can't blame us at all." Who killed Davey Moore, Why an' what's the reason for? "Not me," says his manager, Puffing on a big cigar. "It's hard to say, it's hard to tell, I always thought that he was well. It's too bad for his wife an' kids he's dead, But if he was sick, he should've said. It wasn't me that made him fall. No, you can't blame me at all." Who killed Davey Moore, Why an' what's the reason for? "Not me," says the gambling man, With his ticket stub still in his hand. "It wasn't me that knocked him down, My hands never touched him none. I didn't commit no ugly sin, Anyway, I put money on him to win. It wasn't me that made him fall. No, you can't blame me at all." Who killed Davey Moore, Why an' what's the reason for? "Not me," says the boxing writer, Pounding print on his old typewriter, Sayin', "Boxing ain't to blame, There's just as much danger in a football game." Sayin', "Fist fighting is here to stay, It's just the old American way. It wasn't me that made him fall. No, you can't blame me at all." Who killed Davey Moore, Why an' what's the reason for? "Not me," says the man whose fists Laid him low in a cloud of mist, Who came here from Cuba's door Where boxing ain't allowed no more. "I hit him, yes, it's true, But that's what I am paid to do. Don't say 'murder,' don't say 'kill.' It was destiny, it was God's will." Who killed Davey Moore, Why an' what's the reason for? I don't believe there was a Davey Moore but I thought that around this time there was a death inside the ring & Bob had based this song on that event, but it's awhile back now. He's must've had a soft spot for fighters, his fight for right on behalf of Hurricane Carter was beyond any call. Barry
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01 Dec 98 - 06:19 PM (#47543) Subject: RE: Can you help find a protest song from the 60s From: Roger in Baltimore Barry, I have nothing to back up my belief except a fading memory. I believe Davey Moore was a boxer who died from wounds inflicted in the boxing ring. Perhaps Joe Offer, the Internet search wizard can do better than I in finding some information. I keep getting Dylan lyrics. Roger in Baltimore |
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01 Dec 98 - 06:39 PM (#47547) Subject: RE: Can you help find a protest song from the 60s From: Roger in Baltimore OK, I have some information. Davey Moore was a "featherweight" professional boxer from 1959 - 1963. On March 21, 1963 he was knocked out in the tenth round by "Sugar" Ramos, a cuban boxer. He died March 23, 1963. Davey Moore is the boxer in the song. Roger in Baltimore |
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01 Dec 98 - 07:10 PM (#47554) Subject: RE: Can you help find a protest song from the 60s From: Pete M Damn, beaten to it! As Roger says, the Davey Moore of the song was WBC Featherweight champion, who died two days after being knocked out in a title fight, (the site I found gave date of death as 25.3.63). There is another Davey Moore, a welterweight who was fighting in the eighties. If anyone is interested the site here gives an account of the fight, by the Cuban doctor who was one of Ramos's seconds. No, I'm not a fan of boxing, or have any interest in it, but I can't resist a challenge Barry! Pete M |
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01 Dec 98 - 08:11 PM (#47557) Subject: RE: Can you help find a protest song from the 60s From: Barry Finn Hi Pete & Roger, yup, you're right Roger, just came back from the same sites. I think that I had the Emile Griffith fight where he killed Benny Kid Paret in I think early 62. Davey "The Springfield Rifle" Moore the favored 5-1, died from injuries from Sugar (a very popular fight nickname) Ray Ramos, who left Cuba because Castro had outlawed boxing (wonder what led to that discussion). This song was part of his underground tapes, he did a nice version of 500 miles on it & some others that I can no longer recall. My the recording has long since been among the list of missing. Barry |
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04 Dec 98 - 10:52 PM (#48052) Subject: RE: Can you help find a protest song from the 60s From: rich r Pete Seeger recorded both "Who Killed Davey Moore?" and "Who Killed Norma Jean?" on his 1963 Carnegie Hall Concert. The Mitchell Trio recorded Paxton's "We Didn't Know". rich r |
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05 Dec 98 - 08:25 PM (#48199) Subject: RE: Can you help find a protest song from the 60s From: Bojangles I do recall that Pete Seeger sang, and (I believe) recorded the song. It should be available under Pete Seeger"s exhaustive discography. Peter Stanley |
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16 Dec 98 - 04:28 PM (#49807) Subject: RE: Can you help find a protest song from the 60s From: Benson Pete Seeger did indeed record "Who killed Davey Morre" on a "Broadside album" in conjunction with "Who killed Norma Jean....(Marilyn Monroe)....in the latter '60's..... |
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25 Jun 01 - 06:52 AM (#491223) Subject: Who killed Davy Jones? From: Michael in Swansea A friend came home on the weekend from cycling 'round Ireland for a week and he asked me if I knew a song that he'd heard there that started "Who killed Davy Jones?" That was all he could remember of it. He then went on to say "I think it was Davy Jones". (He likes traditional music). I asked him if he was taking the piss. Anyway I've searched the DT and forum for "who killed" and "Davy Jones" nothing comes to light. Any takers? Mike |
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25 Jun 01 - 06:56 AM (#491225) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Who killed Davy Jones? From: Wolfgang 'Who killed Davey Moore?'?? Wolfgang |
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25 Jun 01 - 06:58 AM (#491227) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Who killed Davy Jones? From: Wolfgang Bob Dylan, I should have added |
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25 Jun 01 - 07:10 AM (#491233) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Who killed Davy Jones? From: Michael in Swansea Wolfgang,
Thanks. I should have thought of that one but didn't. Mike |
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25 Jun 01 - 08:01 AM (#491249) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Who killed Davy Jones? From: Barry Finn Check this out in the threads, I think this Bob Dylan song was done some time ago. Davey Jones was a box who died in the ring. Barry |
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25 Jun 01 - 10:46 AM (#491364) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Who killed Davy Jones? From: LR Mole Boxed under water, didn't he? |
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25 Jun 01 - 11:25 AM (#491415) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Who killed Davy Jones? From: Steve Parkes Yeah, it was quite common to hold minor boxing matches at public swimming baths in the UK for years! Steve |
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25 Jun 01 - 12:41 PM (#491498) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Who killed Davy Jones? From: Rick Fielding Who REALLY killed Davy Jones was the American record buying public. Yes they enjoyed the Monkees, and elevated the former English jockey to Rock and Roll superstardom, but all things must pass, and so now the little guy who still looks 25 (but with the face of a sixty year old) sticks to Info-mercials hawking Golden Oldies. Davy Moore was the fighter in Bob's song. I seem to recall the line "......down to Cuba's shore, where boxing ain't allowed no more". Yah, sure Bob. Ever heard of Teofilo Stephenson? Rick |
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25 Jun 01 - 03:25 PM (#491607) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Who killed Davy Jones? From: nutty I have "Who killed Davey Moore" sung by Pete Seegar - I believe Davey Moore was also a boxer who died in the ring. Without getting the record out all I can remember is the first 2 lines:- "Who killed Davey Moore Why did he die and whats the reason for" |
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25 Jun 01 - 03:28 PM (#491609) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Who killed Davy Jones? From: nutty Didn't remember it quite right but the definitive version is here WHO KILLED DAVEY MOORE |
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25 Jun 01 - 03:32 PM (#491613) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Who killed Davy Jones? From: GUEST,Peter Tork I just spoke with Davy. He's very much alive. Peter Tork |
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25 Jun 01 - 03:52 PM (#491621) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Who killed Davy Jones? From: GUEST,Den at work They were probably aiming at Mickie Dolenz. Den |
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25 Jun 01 - 03:53 PM (#491623) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Who killed Davy Jones? From: Pene Azul The lyrics to "Who Killed Davey Moore" are also here (click) in the Forum. There's also more info in that thread. Jeff |
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25 Jun 01 - 04:04 PM (#491630) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Who killed Davy Jones? From: Rick Fielding Guest Peter, your album with James lee Stanley is a Killer! Giving it a ton of Canadian airplay. Rick |
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25 Jun 01 - 04:20 PM (#491644) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Who killed Davy Jones? From: GUEST,Peter Tork That's very kind of you to say so. Working with James is a lot of fun. Have you heard his new album with Michael Smith? Now, that one's a killer. That Michael Smith is one of the best singer-songwriters in the world. Peter Tork |