12 Jul 01 - 09:38 AM (#504919) Subject: wierd search results... From: MMario was just searching for songs from the English Civil War - and though can literally find thousands of pages re: the War of Northern Agression/American Civil War/The War between the States - next to nothing on the English Civil War. anyone that can point me toward so web resources on the songs from that period? I can't believe there isn't stuff posted out there. |
12 Jul 01 - 09:49 AM (#504927) Subject: RE: BS: wierd search results... From: IanC Sometimes you have to be a bit clever with searches. Try Oliver Cromwell or King Charles 1st and you will get some hits. Civil War - even with English will be so flooded with US results, you won't see the English ones for dust. Alternately, you could start using Vivisimo, which "intelligently" categorises your search results. This can sometimes be very helpful.
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12 Jul 01 - 09:53 AM (#504930) Subject: RE: BS: wierd search results... From: UB Ed Sorry for no blue clickies:
http://easyweb.easynet.co.uk/~crossby/ECW/ These came up fairly quickly via dogpile.com, searching "Engalnd"+"Civil War". If you add "Songs" the search yields less. May be best place to start. Good luck. Ed
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12 Jul 01 - 09:54 AM (#504931) Subject: RE: BS: wierd search results... From: MMario that's what is so wierd...I use a search with "exact phrase" - and "songs of the English Civil War" yielded a total of THREE......
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12 Jul 01 - 09:57 AM (#504932) Subject: RE: BS: wierd search results... From: Sorcha You might try searching the ballad indices for the dates--1642-1650. Don't know if Bodlean is set up to search that way, but Levy is (yea, I know Levy is American only) |
12 Jul 01 - 10:00 AM (#504934) Subject: RE: BS: wierd search results... From: IanC MMario "Cavalier Songs" or "Roundhead Songs" will bring you back some of the stuff you want, including these
Civil War Songbook Roundhead is not so good as there was a punk band of that name! |
12 Jul 01 - 10:04 AM (#504936) Subject: RE: BS: wierd search results... From: Sorcha Aha! Use the "browse" function at Bodleian and choose Date from the pull down menu, then where it says From: use 1642. |
12 Jul 01 - 10:07 AM (#504938) Subject: RE: BS: wierd search results... From: IanC MMario Most search engines ignore "exact phrase" when sent to them. They just do an all-word match. I've got used to this when using WebFerret!
Cheers! BTW the "Civil War Songbook" link just points to one of the songs. You have to "peel" the link back (sorry). Also, some HTML genius may find I have hidden some more links under the 3 you have ?help? |
12 Jul 01 - 10:10 AM (#504940) Subject: RE: BS: wierd search results... From: Sorcha Civil War Songbook main index page. |
12 Jul 01 - 10:22 AM (#504950) Subject: RE: BS: wierd search results... From: MMario grazie all - sorry - one of my cousins is using the family brain cell today - I guess...
that's my story and I'm sticking to it |
12 Jul 01 - 11:23 AM (#504989) Subject: RE: BS: wierd search results... From: Noreen Ian, the two other 'links' you posted were nude... no URL or title... must have been lost for words! Noreen |
12 Jul 01 - 11:28 AM (#505003) Subject: RE: BS: wierd search results... From: IanC Oh hell ... there was some stuff but I must have deleted the ones with anything in instead of the empty ones (I was using a cut & paste template. Just shows you can get too clever! |
12 Jul 01 - 12:01 PM (#505039) Subject: RE: BS: wierd search results... From: Noreen :0) Ian, View Source enables you to see what HTML you actually submitted- and nick other peoples' clever HTML! |
12 Jul 01 - 12:11 PM (#505047) Subject: RE: BS: wierd search results... From: Sorcha I didn't have any trouble with the second one but it only takes you to the front page, the Song Index is at the bottom of that page. |
12 Jul 01 - 12:15 PM (#505051) Subject: Lyr Add: RED AND GOLD (Ralph McTell) From: mousethief Mmario, are you familiar with Fairport Convention's song "Red and Gold"? It's not FROM the E.C.W., but it's ABOUT the E.C.W. And a fine song at that, too.
Red and Gold
Red and bold are royal colours,
Through Cropredy in Oxfordshire the Cherwell takes its course
In 1644 the king in Oxford town did dwell
On June the 29th that year I was about my work
Now it did distress me so to watch my own blood flow
At first I thought the thundering was just inside my head
Now the king's men fought in red and gold
All that day and all the next the battle it was raging
And the dreams I had were red and gold
Now some were buried in the church and some just where they fell
And each year when the green corn once again turns into gold
For red and gold they are the colours
By Cropredy the Cherwell is still bidden to keep flowing
And the dreams I have are red and gold
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12 Jul 01 - 12:21 PM (#505055) Subject: RE: BS: wierd search results... From: MMario acxtually - I was trying to find some older songs I could use at faire...(my mind, as most of you know works in bizarre ways) but yes, looks like a nice song alex! |
12 Jul 01 - 12:48 PM (#505070) Subject: RE: BS: wierd search results... From: IanC Sorcha We were discussing the links that AREN'T there!
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12 Jul 01 - 01:03 PM (#505080) Subject: RE: BS: wierd search results... From: Les from Hull My old English Civil War Society mates' favourite would be Babylon is Fallen (it's in the DT along with another with a similar title). Mind you, you've got to remember that these friends were of the Cod and Halibut (properly, God and Parliament) persuasion and so were limited in their choice of stuff to sing - unlike those effete Royalists and their bawdy ways. Parliamentary Armies were much given to the singing of Psalms before and after (even during) battle. The 'wrong but romantic' side had the best songs probably. The 'right but repulsive' side were much more serious. So perhaps you've got to pick your side if you want to be true to the spirit of the time. Be careful which side you pick - Hull actually started that war by not letting King Charles 1 in, and we're ready to do it all over again if we have to.:-) Les from Hull - Parliament's most northerly stronghold in England. |
12 Jul 01 - 02:02 PM (#505128) Subject: RE: BS: wierd search results... From: Noreen Alex, could have saved yourself a lot of typing- Red & Gold lyrics are already posted here. Cropredy will be ringing to sounds less warlike again, shortly, but I won't be there this year. *sigh* Noreen |
12 Jul 01 - 02:06 PM (#505134) Subject: RE: BS: wierd search results... From: mousethief Thanks, Noreen. Actually I didn't type it; I swiped it from a website and formatted it for Mudcat. Alex |