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27 Jul 01 - 01:57 AM (#515663) Subject: The last thing I want to read... From: Brendy ...on a nice bright sunny morning like today is chain-spam from one of our greatest bullshitters.....PRAISE/WYS...with attached disease in the form of the virus she was warning everybody about...I didn't realise you were such a fan of The Backstreet Boys Leave me to fuck OFF your mailing lists - virus and otherwise. You have infected this place quite enough, without attempting to get past my anti-virus server and my firewall I have e-mailed your ISP complaining about this intrusion, and I am waiting their reply. I don't want any of your PMs neither...you know, the ones and will advise you that each and every time you insist on spamming me, I'll spam the fuck out of your ISP, being as indignant as I possibly can in the process, and hopefully make life extremely difficult for you. I leave you the fuck out of my mailing lists Afford me the same courtesy. B. |
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27 Jul 01 - 02:07 AM (#515666) Subject: RE: Help: The last thing I want to read... From: wysiwyg "attached disease in the form of the virus she was warning everybody about" If you are saying the virus traveled on that message, speak plain English. This is not somthing to fuck around about. ~S~ |
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27 Jul 01 - 02:25 AM (#515672) Subject: RE: Help: The last thing I want to read... From: bobbi I was concerned as well... but thought I'd wait to see if what I thought you were saying was what I thought it was. Are you thinking that someone from Mudcats would deliberately infect others here? If this is so, I would like to know. So far, everyone I have dealt with, has been extremely friendly and kind... It is unthinkable that someone would intentionally infect anyone, especially a fellow member... If this is so, something should be done.. If not, then accusations should be more carefully considered before spoken. So, what exactly are you saying and why? b |
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27 Jul 01 - 02:35 AM (#515677) Subject: RE: Help: The last thing I want to read... From: wysiwyg bobbi, Brendy is my perennial pest. Can you help me be sure right now that I was NOT infected when I sent a courtesy warning to everyone in my address book? ~S~ |
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27 Jul 01 - 02:39 AM (#515678) Subject: RE: Help: The last thing I want to read... From: wysiwyg I am trying to get an update now from Norton. And watching this space. ~S~ |
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27 Jul 01 - 02:43 AM (#515681) Subject: RE: Help: The last thing I want to read... From: Sorcha brendy, just shut up. You're being an arsehole again. She was infected and just trying to stop it. I didn't notice any post/message from you about Bill's virus. You bloody well are not and will never be on my mailing list. If you get a worm, on your head be it. She tried. |
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27 Jul 01 - 02:43 AM (#515682) Subject: RE: Help: The last thing I want to read... From: Brendy "If you are saying the virus traveled on that message, speak plain English" I am saying... Take me off your fucking mailing list Sounds plain enough to me. Why? Cos I have enough to do without 'helpful' busybodies poking their noses into other peoples' lives unwarranted, for at least, in her case, what you get is not always what you see. Am I removed yet, Praise? No discussions.... Off NOW B. |
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27 Jul 01 - 02:44 AM (#515683) Subject: RE: Help: The last thing I want to read... From: wysiwyg DID YOU GET an INFECTED message from me Sorcha?? Don't talk to Brendy-- talk to ME. ~S~ |
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27 Jul 01 - 02:47 AM (#515684) Subject: RE: Help: The last thing I want to read... From: Brendy I didn't complain about Bill's virus....cos he was decent enough to not send to me. As for being Praise's pest....well...I'm not the one spamming her. Thank you Sarah, it delights me to know that I am not on any of your lists. Let's hope it stays that way. B. |
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27 Jul 01 - 02:48 AM (#515685) Subject: RE: Help: The last thing I want to read... From: Sorcha No, sooz, I did not. Can't sleep, I tried. I am not infected with either the Bill virus or the sooz virus. As far as I know, I am clean here. |
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27 Jul 01 - 02:53 AM (#515688) Subject: RE: Help: The last thing I want to read... From: Sorcha LOL! Now I am Sarah---whoooo--ee. Ain't that a kick, huh, sissie? Got lotsa names. Could get lotsa e mail addys too, huh? Ya'll watch out for the OrcaWail on hot mail, now......she's a spammin' bitch! No, I did not get an infected e mail from you, Whizzy. |
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27 Jul 01 - 02:58 AM (#515689) Subject: RE: Help: The last thing I want to read... From: wysiwyg Thanks bud. I bet if I had sent it out infected I would have a full mailbox or a slew of PMs at the moment suggesting I get a check up. Brendy, give it a rest. ~Susan |
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27 Jul 01 - 03:01 AM (#515691) Subject: RE: Help: The last thing I want to read... From: Brendy GET ME OFF YOUR MAILING LIST, THEN Is that such a big problem for you, or something? B. |
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27 Jul 01 - 03:02 AM (#515692) Subject: RE: Help: The last thing I want to read... From: wysiwyg This is the horrible awful spammie thing I sent to my address book: This is a blind-copy bulk mailing to keep all recipients' addresses private. If you had not heard, there are some bad viruses going around. One has this subject line: "yellow pods of" with a message about 50 seeds, and an attachment. I just got it but did not open the attachment. My address book is not infected as far as I know and I am on a new system with the latest virus killers, but please, be on the lookout. Any genuine messages from me in the near future will contain the word WYSIWYG in the subject line. Please virus check your system against this virus before sending me anything that could carry it without you knowing it. ~Susan Hinton |
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27 Jul 01 - 03:11 AM (#515696) Subject: RE: Help: The last thing I want to read... From: Brendy Any genuine messages from you, Praise will hopefully be in the past tense, or do I send a link to this page to the owner of this: 24.229.82.122 and convey to her/him my disgust that a user on their network is blatantly refusing to answer any requests from me to desist? B. |
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27 Jul 01 - 03:21 AM (#515699) Subject: RE: Help: The last thing I want to read... From: Joe Offer OK, Brendy, but the question still exists: did you receive a virus from Praise/WYSIWYG? Thanks. -Joe Offer- |
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27 Jul 01 - 03:23 AM (#515700) Subject: RE: Help: The last thing I want to read... From: Sorcha hee hee hee. How can someone complain to an ISP about posting on a public forum? Sis, I assume this craytur has been deleted from your address book? I wouldn't bother to ever notify it again about anything.It could be a worm for all we know........ |
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27 Jul 01 - 03:23 AM (#515701) Subject: RE: Help: The last thing I want to read... From: wysiwyg Joe, you got a quick and simple way we can check me out right now? I have been to Norton site and it's too thick for me to untangle. ~S~ |
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27 Jul 01 - 03:25 AM (#515703) Subject: RE: Help: The last thing I want to read... From: wysiwyg Sorch, right now I am too busy even to OPEN the address book. ~S~ |
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27 Jul 01 - 03:28 AM (#515705) Subject: RE: Help: The last thing I want to read... From: wysiwyg DUGHHH!!!! I am SO DUM! I sent that mail to JOE OFFER too! (And Max! LOL) If I infected them, they'll know all about it! Good NIGHT! ~Susan |
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27 Jul 01 - 03:31 AM (#515706) Subject: RE: Help: The last thing I want to read... From: Sorcha ROFLMAO about that. Sorry sissie, viruii are truly not funny. But this eejit is just over the top with its' rant. |
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27 Jul 01 - 03:33 AM (#515708) Subject: RE: Help: The last thing I want to read... From: Brendy Yes Joe: Backstreet Boys logg.doc.vbs And, Sarah..that is not the point. The point is to kick up enough stink, so as they either get sick of reading my shit, or go and do something about it. So far she has had seven posts to this thread, and not one apology, or a promise to get me to fuck off her mailing list... As I asked in my initial post I'm off to Sweden, now, and I'll be back sometime tomorrow evening. By that stage I wish to see a confirmation that I have been removed from her mailing lists B. |
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27 Jul 01 - 03:43 AM (#515710) Subject: RE: Help: The last thing I want to read... From: Sorcha MY NAME IS NOT SARAH, OK?? My name is Sorcha---I can't help it if the British decided that meant Sarah. It does not. Sarah/Sarai/Sara/Sadie etc. is from the Hebrew meaning "princess". Sorcha is from the Irish Gaelic and means "bright". So, stop calling me Sarah, and maybe tomorrow you wil be removed from the address book......... |
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27 Jul 01 - 03:48 AM (#515712) Subject: RE: Help: The last thing I want to read... From: Brendy Sarah, you're not qualified to hold that name, and if blackmail seems to be the only way to get removed from somebody's mailing list, around here...well, I'm sure the network administrator would be interested to read that kind of information, too B. |
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27 Jul 01 - 03:56 AM (#515716) Subject: RE: Help: The last thing I want to read... From: Joe Offer Well, Susan, there wasn't any attachment to the e-mail you sent me - but you did commit the sin of sending out a general message about an unverified virus. If you get something suspicious, check the Website of one or more of the antivirus firms - Symantec/Norton and McAfee are the best-known. If you find nothing, e-mail them and give them details of the suspect. Then wait for them to reply before you send out a general message. In the meantime, scan your hard drive for viruses right away. If you've had a virus, the last thing people want to receive from you is e-mail. It's like kissing people when you have stomach flu. If you're on the Internet, you should have antivirus software that's updated at least every two weeks, and you should do a full scan of your hard drive once a week. I didn't find any mention of the virus you describe, but I'm not all that good at finding them. We'll wait until the Big Guns like Jeri come in and have their say-so. She has an uncanny ability to find antivirus information. -Joe Offer- |
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27 Jul 01 - 03:56 AM (#515717) Subject: RE: Help: The last thing I want to read... From: wysiwyg Sorcha, Joe, be assured, I just got this in my box from someone who knows the virus well from his own sad experience: "Hiya! Your message arrived here attachment free." The rest speaks for itself and warrants no reply. Didja know there is a board that has a department called HELL where you can rant till you are all ranted out with no penalty? *G* When I get a chance I will post the guidelines for HELL. They are a riot! ~Susan |
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27 Jul 01 - 04:01 AM (#515720) Subject: RE: Help: The last thing I want to read... From: wysiwyg Joe, catch up on the threads tonight about viruses-- this was the real thing. Thanks for your help-- nite! ~Susan |
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27 Jul 01 - 04:02 AM (#515721) Subject: RE: Help: The last thing I want to read... From: Brendy Well, Joe, there you have it. I am not making this up. I, like you, have better things to do...and I really must head off for the taxi to the airport, now. Maybe Praise has singled me out for special attention, I don't know. Aløl I know was that it arrived, and Norton, and Zone Alarm Pro notified me of it's existence. It's that latest one...sirc...something No word from Praise, though. Verbose as she is on other subjects, she is still strangely silent about making any assurances to me about my secure removal from her bloody mailing list... "I'm still waiting.." B. |
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27 Jul 01 - 04:16 AM (#515727) Subject: RE: Help: The last thing I want to read... From: Joe Offer Oh, OK, maybe it's W32.Sircam.Worm@mm, which is also known as "Backdoor." You'll find a removal tool at the link. This one sends an attachment that takes its name from a file on the sender's hard drive, and the title of the message is the same as the attachment. It could also be W32.Magistr.24876@mm, which is what LEJ thought he had. Whatever the case, it sounds like you owe Brendy an apology, and a promise to remove him from your address book. Note what I said above - if you've had a virus, the last thing people want to receive from you is e-mail. -Joe Offer- |
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27 Jul 01 - 04:18 AM (#515728) Subject: RE: Help: The last thing I want to read... From: GUEST,Pagenpuss Praise do you know how irritating you can be? Not all of us want to be saved or appear on your mailing list. If Brendy wants off whats the problem? |
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27 Jul 01 - 09:53 AM (#515864) Subject: RE: Help: The last thing I want to read... From: Jeri I got the e-mail from WYSIWYG with no attached file or imbedded virus/worm. The sucker may attach itself to random e-mails though - I don't know. I can't help but think my ISP is blocking some of these. The only virus I got lately was from LEJ, and my up-to-date AV software doesn't even recognise it as a virus. |
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27 Jul 01 - 09:58 AM (#515866) Subject: RE: Help: The last thing I want to read... From: RichM Uncalled for. Sir, clean up your language, OR at least follow your own foul mouthed suggestions.
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27 Jul 01 - 10:10 AM (#515878) Subject: RE: Help: The last thing I want to read... From: McGrath of Harlow Well, I use Outlook Express, and it's got a facility called Block Sender (in the menu that opens when you click on Message at the top of the page). I imagine most emaio programs have something similar.
You can use it to block all future messages from a particular sender, and also to remove all previous messages from them, if you wish. It makes getting spam a bit like playing Space Invaders.
And that's what I'd do, if I wanted to stop someone sending undanted messages to me, rather than bothering to ask them to remove me from their mailing list.
And, as it happens, I wouldn't wish to use it on either WYSIWYG or Brendy. |
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27 Jul 01 - 10:21 AM (#515885) Subject: RE: Help: The last thing I want to read... From: Kim C Susan I got the message, with no problem. HOWEVER I have over the last couple of days got infected messages (not from anyone here that I know of) and just deleted them without opening the attachment. I wonder whatever happened to "thanks for the warning but please take me off your list"? |
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27 Jul 01 - 10:23 AM (#515886) Subject: RE: Help: The last thing I want to read... From: catspaw49 Jeri.....As I said in the other thread, the virus from Leej is this one which Joe linked above and my Norton grabbed it right away. Since my previous problems with Norton and kak, they've worked perfectly (had a bad disc originally which left off a good portion of their program). Also, I noted in the other thread that my ISP sent out a notice that they were blocking Sircam so perhaps yours is too. Since the one Leej sent can be repaired, maybe your ISP is running the software to do it before it's sent out. Repair is Norton's first option and it did work on Leej's e-mail. Sorry for the drift folks.......The whole virus thing has really taken off. Spaw |
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27 Jul 01 - 02:28 PM (#516140) Subject: RE: Help: The last thing I want to read... From: Uncle_DaveO WYSIWYG: I got your message, and my up-to-date Norton's never turned a hair at it. DAve Oesterreich |
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27 Jul 01 - 04:20 PM (#516251) Subject: RE: Help: The last thing I want to read... From: katlaughing We've just had two very long threads on the sircam virus, too,with all kind sof links for figuring things out. Anyone in doubt should check those threads, and no I am not going to hunt them down and link them. They've been up all the past week. kat |
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27 Jul 01 - 04:40 PM (#516271) Subject: RE: Help: The last thing I want to read... From: Roger in Sheffield I got the email from Susan too, no virus but I too would rather not be in anyones address book if they send out blanket emails to everyone in it. That said I did not take offence as the intention was well meaning I have just unchecked the box in my OE that automatically adds the senders of replied to emails to the address book, that way I hopefully won't have a huge address book if ever one of these viruses gets to it. I can still have the addresses on the actual emails of course until I choose to delete them, so I don't mind susan or anyone else keeping my emails as a reference and a reply address but I dont really need to be anyones address book that I don't communicate with regularly - if that makes sense? Roger |
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27 Jul 01 - 04:58 PM (#516286) Subject: RE: Help: The last thing I want to read... From: McGrath of Harlow If you block a sender, and then send them an email, that would put them in your address book (unless you'd unchecked that box) - but would the sender still be blocked from sending you email?
That's just me being curious in case it ever comes up.
And I take it the rule still is that you can't catch anything nasty from an email, it's just the attachments you have to watch out for? (And of course, opening innocuous looking links could mean that you find yourself with a hard disk containing material which is illegal to have there, as well as nasty - but your computer can't get a virus that way. At least that's what I understand to be the case.) |
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27 Jul 01 - 05:10 PM (#516291) Subject: RE: Help: The last thing I want to read... From: Roger in Sheffield McGrath my first virus was a Kak worm, it was present in the actual email not an attachment. Just opening the email let it out, fortunately microsoft have plugged the hole with an update patch for win 98 (norton had a removal program and a link to the MS update site) Since then I have Norton scan the emails as they arrive and get the auto virus file updates, like Spaw when one arrives I get a big message and options |
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27 Jul 01 - 11:46 PM (#516475) Subject: RE: Help: The last thing I want to read... From: MAG I got the note from WYS too, and my Norton apparently grabbed it. No problem. No problem at all. |
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27 Jul 01 - 11:48 PM (#516476) Subject: RE: Help: The last thing I want to read... From: MAG PS: Hinton? Susan Hinton?? Did you by any chance write some adolescent novels?? |
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27 Jul 01 - 11:55 PM (#516477) Subject: RE: Help: The last thing I want to read... From: Brendy Hey, Richm? FUCK OFF OUT OF SUBJECTS THAT DON'T CONCERN YOU!! Uncall that! And before you start saying: "I say, I find you quite the most obnoxious...." I don't give two fucks what you think. Are we straight on that one, now? Now Fuck off and .....chat...somewhere, and keep your nose out of other peoples' business. Sweden was fine, nice crowd, good gig. Drove back from Karlstad, and at 4.30 this morning had to brake sharply as a mother elk, and her two calves nonchantly sauntered across the road. Where's a camera when you need one, eh? Or, indeed, where's a confirmation that one has been removed from certain address books, when you need one, either? B. |
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28 Jul 01 - 12:19 AM (#516481) Subject: RE: Help: The last thing I want to read... From: GUEST,PAH Like we give a flying fuck about the elk, the calves and your lack of a camera. And no need responding because I don't give two fucks about what you think either, so yes I guess everybody's clear on where you're coming from... My apologies RichM, I'm sure you can take care of yourself, I just couldn't listen to this asshole anymore.... PAH |
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28 Jul 01 - 12:30 AM (#516487) Subject: RE: Help: The last thing I want to read... From: Brendy I bet you you just love your job, as much as I do, don't you? How's life beneath the clouds in Greyville, PAH? Clingon warship, my ass! B. |
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28 Jul 01 - 12:38 AM (#516489) Subject: RE: Help: The last thing I want to read... From: GUEST,PAH Just what the hell are you talking about? PAH |
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28 Jul 01 - 12:58 AM (#516497) Subject: RE: Help: The last thing I want to read... From: Melani Brendy, are you like this all the time or only on Mudcat? After the way you have been comminicating, if I were Susan, I would never respond at all, since it would clearly drive you crazy. Are you familiar with the phrase, "You catch more flies with honey"? In case that's too obscure for you, I am suggesting that people are more likely to do what you ask if you ask politely instead of threatening them. |
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28 Jul 01 - 02:08 AM (#516519) Subject: RE: Help: The last thing I want to read... From: Brendy Melani. I am only like this with people who show equal disregard for the sensitivities of others. I think you will find...if you do a search on my User Name (a feat well-nigh impossible when you want to check out what Praise has contributed), that I save my sharp 'tongue' for those people who cross certain boundaries with me. One subject you will never 'hear' me 'raise my voice' in, is the subject that originally brings me here. And that is music. Support the oppression of ANY people in ANY part of the world, and you're not my 'kind of guy' Pontification on subjects that fall into the 'a little knowledge is a dangerous thing - but I think it's kewl, so I'll say it, anyway' category also gets up my nose. Attacking any of my friends on the Forum (and they themselves know who they are), well, you also go down in my estimation. So if you were Praise, you would (just out of spite, mind you), deliberately NOT remove me from your mail listings...well what would that say about you, then? I can't remember you and I ever engaging in argument. But, Melani. I wouldn't do that; my mind doesn't work that way, and it pisses me off that people who invoke Christianity at every turn, would, and do, show an amazing lack of it when it comes to putting it into practice. I do not want to belong to the 'Click Here and be Saved' mailing list. If you knew anything about my background, you would know that I have had religion, and all its' attendant miseries up to my back teeth. I don't want anything to do with religion. It divides and conquers, and affronts my sensitivities, big time. I don't go marching into other peoples' areas, I have no desire to control anything except my own particular scene. I don't get in peoples' faces, and tell them what they should be doing. I leave people alone. I'm actually a fairly laid back enough oul bloke when it comes down to it; the kind of fella that would get into something like driving back through the night just to see the sunrise, instead of flying back with the rest of the lads, the next afternoon. But, see when I see the little narrow minds (a trait, incidentally, that is not prevelant amongst most musicians), and the little wind-up merchants cybernetically pulling the wings off flies, I get pissed off, and I write the way I talk in situations like that. Most working class kids in Ireland, England, Scotland, and Wales would not be shocked at such utterences. Call it a cultural thing if you want, but if somebody wants to get into my face about something, I'm afraid that they lose control of any part of the situation, there and then. "If you can't do the time, then don't do the crime" Or..."You get in my face...you take what I give you" Not that kind of guy, I'm afraid, Melani. I want off her mailing list, and I can't for the life of me figure out why this is such a problem. Any other 'normal' mail has an 'UnSubscribe' line in it. Are we to be at the spamming mercy of someone who believes that she should be the one to save the day, and not only be the guardian, of our spiritual well-being, but cleft stick in general. We imparted more spirituality last night than Praise could shake a bible at, and that's my kind of religion. And that is the way I wish to keep it. Praise's spam is a distraction to me, and reminds me every time I get one, that she is still out there, insisting that we take notice of her. I don't want her next to near me, and I wont let it go until I get her assurances that she'll piss off out of my inbox for once and for all. Does that make it any clearer for you, Melani? B. |
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28 Jul 01 - 03:08 AM (#516536) Subject: RE: Help: The last thing I want to read... From: Roger in Sheffield I think that this latest round of virus infection should make us all limit OE address book to the people we regularly deal with and not include everyone we have ever had an email from. Some people don't have antivirus running (my boss for one tight sod) and would be devastated if their system crashed due to an email they sent to someone years back (which added their name to an address book). I don't like receiving blanket mailings that were not meant for me either and in OE you can create groups for this purpose rather than mailing to the entire address book. That said I would like to be asked before being included in anyones private mudcat or any other list, that way this kind of argument would never start What ever you think of Brendys way of putting his case it is a valid point and could have been sorted out long ago by a simple response saying that the email address had been removed from susans address book. |
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28 Jul 01 - 03:47 AM (#516549) Subject: RE: Help: The last thing I want to read... From: hesperis WYSIWYG - if you automatically save sent messages to a certain folder, you can look in the folder to see what messages you have sent. I don't know if viruses could turn it off or anything though. |
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28 Jul 01 - 04:02 AM (#516557) Subject: RE: Help: The last thing I want to read... From: Brendy Look, Hesperis, et al. The virus is not the problem. My mail gets scanned elsewhere....the virus goes straight to quarantine. Zone alarm Pro automatically renames the file extension, and thank goodness, I have yet to be infected. Live Update does its' thing in the background, and although tracing the odd 'ping' and 'blocked ICMP ' something or other at certain times of the day, and night can yield some quite curious results, life in cyberland has been unaffected. The virus thing is a pain in the arse, alright, but I actually wouldn't hold too many people accountable for that kind of thing, neither..cos shit happens, sometimes. But this is not the first time I have asked Praise to stop sending me stupid messages, in some godawful font. And it's not the first time she's refused. "If you knew Susie, like I knew Susie..." |
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28 Jul 01 - 05:49 AM (#516563) Subject: RE: Help: The last thing I want to read... From: McGrath of Harlow Well I'm glad Brendy didn't run into the elk family. When I'm in a temper it screws up my driving. But I can't see why it matters whose address book you are in if you can click the Block Sender option and the missives won't get through anyway.
But then I don't understand this stuff. I've never got round to using the "send mail to group" thing myself anyway. I prefer the one to one approach. Though you sometimes get some good jokes from group mailings.
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28 Jul 01 - 06:35 AM (#516570) Subject: RE: Help: The last thing I want to read... From: Brendy Thanks, Kevin...we did 'Eyelids...' Of course you can do the block sender bit and create all sorts of rules, etc. I just don't see why me performing that action makes the fact that she can send it in the first place, acceptable. I don't want to draw you into this, or anything, Kevin, but the person in question intimated to me by other ways...which can be documented... that stopping E-mailing me is the last thing on her mind. The last time I made that statement, one of our number called me a liar, which was later recanted via PM. That's not a nice thing to do in any man's language, is malicious, and shows a decidedly un Christian bent in a person. B. |
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28 Jul 01 - 08:44 AM (#516589) Subject: RE: Help: The last thing I want to read... From: alison this is just stupid... the deal is obviously not about viruses.... if Brendy or someone else asks to be removed from an mailing list (Praise's or anyone elses)... then the person they have asked should remove them..... please take him off the list and let him know that you have done so...... slainte alison |
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28 Jul 01 - 09:55 AM (#516618) Subject: RE: Help: The last thing I want to read... From: Noreen Brendy, by posting this thread you have made public your dispute with Susan, so it is rather unfair of you to criticise others for getting involved. I imagine you have already tried to sort this out privately by PM, in which case I understand the thread, but others do tend to get drawn in- as they would to a fight in a public place in the real world- though why they should want to I don't know. There does seem to be an easy solution to this, Susan? |
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28 Jul 01 - 10:34 AM (#516632) Subject: RE: Help: The last thing I want to read... From: Brendy "I imagine you have already tried to sort this out privately by PM" That is precisely the point, Noreen. What would you do? B. |
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28 Jul 01 - 10:44 AM (#516636) Subject: RE: Help: The last thing I want to read... From: Brendy FYI-- People who know me well know that your characterizations of me are inaccurate and deliberately offensive. I do not respond to attacks in the forum, and I do not respond to blackmail either in any venue. That is why my response to you in the thread focused on the technical problem you raised in the forum, and why my continuing discussion of the technical problem occurred in the help forum, not in the thread you started. Perhaps you had been unaware of the following: Subject: RE: Help... From: WYSIWYG, to All Volunteers Date: 27-Jul-01 - 04:25 AM This is in followup to Brendy's remark in his thread about a "sirc" virus he is associating with the arrival of an e-mail from me. According to my system info, my system is protected against: W32.Sircam.Worm@mm If you know of a more recent SIRCAM virus against which I may not be protected, please let me know. If YOU are protected from another SIRCAM virus against which I am not protected, and your system alerted you on a message I sent you, please let me know. I am also protected from: Js.KakWorm.D, Js.KakWorm.E@M, Js.KakWorm.F, G, and H, Js.KakWorm.Variant, and Js.KakWorm.Z. If you have greater protection from the KAK viruses, and were alerted upon receiving my message, please let me know. ~Susan Post - Top - Forum Home -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: RE: Help... From: WYS Cont'd Date: 27-Jul-01 - 04:30 AM ... and this is in followup to Joe's post: I am also protected from: W32.Magistr.24876@mm I did not HAVE the virus and then send a mail... and I will not respond further in Brendy's thread. ~Susan There are no system administration changes planned at my end until our return from vacation in mid-August. Until then your e-mail address, along with others of people who have harrassed me or otherwise harmed me, will remain in my address book because that is where I keep addresses. I will however restore the settings inadvertently lost in a recent system upgrade, which had placed these addresses in a "do not mail" folder, if there is time before we depart. I had not been aware these had been lost until you raised the issue. There are no bulk mails planned before our departure. I document all communications to and from you, as I do with anyone who has harrassed, harmed, or threatened me. Therefore when I have made these changes and any others affecting your address, I will inform you via e-mail, return receipt requested, and send a copy to Joe Offer. I am copying Joe on this message as well. ~S~ Don't inform me via E-mail, and I'll be getting back to your admin. Remember the old 56K days?
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28 Jul 01 - 10:50 AM (#516638) Subject: RE: Help: The last thing I want to read... From: Brendy To everyone else who has developed an interest in the proceedings everything up to ~S~ was a PM from herself. Why does she not understand that I want NO 'Private' E-mails from her? That means NONE What part of that word does she not understand? B. |
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28 Jul 01 - 11:09 AM (#516648) Subject: RE: Help: The last thing I want to read... From: GUEST YOU brought this issue to the Forum, YOU have attacked Susan in the Forum rightly or wrongly, and YOU have now taken to publicizing PM's. I don't disagree with you that she should take you off her list but the fact remains, no matter how right as asshole is, he is still an asshole... PAH |
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28 Jul 01 - 11:12 AM (#516650) Subject: RE: Help: The last thing I want to read... From: Brendy Pah...I wouldn't publicise unwanted PMs if I didn't get any. Welcome to Mudcat, by the way. B. |
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28 Jul 01 - 11:44 AM (#516661) Subject: RE: Help: The last thing I want to read... From: Bernard Very childish. Use the 'delete' key - that's what it's there for. My system is protected by Norton AntiVirus... I also received the email in question. It was not infected, and I was grateful for the timely warning. The lack of a link to verify that it wasn't a hoax was a little unfortunate, though. If anyone wants to stop unwanted emails, the most effective way is to automatically 'forward' them back to the sender - they'll soon get the message. Attempts at public humiliation of this kind is crass and insensitive, particularly when using such strong language. However angry, justifiably or not, this is simply inexcusable. You are forcing everyone who inadvertently stumbles across this thread - including children, don't forget - to read language they may prefer to avoid. That is exactly the violation of human rights you claim to be complaining about, but greatly magnified. Please don't do it again.
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28 Jul 01 - 11:46 AM (#516662) Subject: RE: Help: The last thing I want to read... From: Brendy Cause and effect, Bernard. B. |
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28 Jul 01 - 01:09 PM (#516681) Subject: RE: Help: The last thing I want to read... From: GUEST,name withheld Look, Brendy is a jackass whose response is way over the top. But he does raise a vaild point about spamming. I have never exchanged an e-mail or PM with WYSIWYG, yet I am on her spam list for Christian prayer chains and phony virus warnings. I presume that she harvested my e-mail address from the Mudcat Resources and if she took mine, she probably took everyone else's. To no avail, I have politely and privately asked WYSIWYG to remove my address from her spamming. She has never responded to my requests, so I do appreciate where Brendy is coming from.
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28 Jul 01 - 01:32 PM (#516694) Subject: RE: Help: The last thing I want to read... From: Brendy "Look, Brendy is a jackass whose response is way over the top." What, then do you make of the unsolicited spamming? Over the top, as well? Even if your name wasn't withheld.....that kind of thing doesn't worry me. Say what you want, and I will react to it on it's merits. Same goes for you, Hombre. B. |
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28 Jul 01 - 01:55 PM (#516700) Subject: RE: Help: The last thing I want to read... From: katlaughing At any rate, she's gone on vacation for two weeks, so it doesn't look as though you'll get an answer until then. So, no use going on about it, at the moment. I use the Block Sender and Delete. No problem. kat |
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28 Jul 01 - 02:06 PM (#516706) Subject: RE: Help: The last thing I want to read... From: Pinetop Slim The last thing I want to read. The heading of this thread, which gave no hint of the anger I'd find when opening it, jogged a memory of two notes I've received over the years. Both thanked me for newspaper columns I had written about two men and informed me that the columns were the last things the men had read before they died. What, might I ask, would be the last thing you would want to read, assuming you knew death was imminent and you chose to spend some of your final moments reading? (My own choice would probably be a favorite story from "Delta of Venus," though I might do better to choose some wise words about forgiveness, of which I will sorely be in need.) |
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28 Jul 01 - 02:39 PM (#516722) Subject: RE: Help: The last thing I want to read... From: Little Hawk Pinetop - The last thing I would want to read just before dying would be a spiritual text or a philosophical text reminding me of the goodness of life, humanity, and creation...I can think of several that would be appropriate...in several different traditions. Either that, or something hilariously funny...which might not be a bad idea. Main discussion - I am routinely suspicious of any message warning me about a virus. Such messages frequently are viruses themselves. I prefer not to receive emails warning me of viruses. If I do receive one, I call my server right away, and they have been very helpful. Due to their good advice, I did not follow the very sincere instructions sent to me by a well-meaning business associate...and delete a useful and necessary file off my hard drive (supposedly the file was a virus). Several other people in town got the same message (from friends and associates) and did delete the file...and had to spend some money getting their computers fixed. - LH |
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28 Jul 01 - 03:39 PM (#516748) Subject: RE: Help: The last thing I want to read... From: Peter K (Fionn) The last thing I'd want to read was that Praise/WYSIWYG/~S~ had put her prayer gangs to work on my behalf. Praise has promised/threatened to PM me, but mercifully so far without delivering, apart from breathlass little apologies that she has been so very busy, busy, busy, but she hasn't forgotten. Just can't imagine why anyone would trust her with an email address, or does she acquire them by sorcery? McGrath, as explained graphically by Bobbi in the "virus alert" threat, if you're using Windows and OE, you don't necessarily need to open a file attachment to get infected. Bernard and others who put such touching faith in anti-virus programs need to remember that at any point in time there will always be new viruses around that will defeat the best defences. Gratuitous, self-important gestures like WYSIWYG's will ensure that they propogate before counter-measures have been written. To anyone whose eggs are all in the Windows/IE basket, good luck - but you're a nassive target, and sooner or later the software vandals are going to zap you bigtime, with or without WYSIWYG's help. |
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28 Jul 01 - 04:07 PM (#516760) Subject: Unwanted Virus Warnings From: Joe Offer I think Little Hawk made an excellent point, and I'd like to put it in bold print: Main discussion - I am routinely suspicious of any message warning me about a virus. Such messages frequently are viruses themselves. I prefer not to receive emails warning me of viruses. If I do receive one, I call my server right away, and they have been very helpful. Due to their good advice, I did not follow the very sincere instructions sent to me by a well-meaning business associate...and delete a useful and necessary file off my hard drive (supposedly the file was a virus).It seems to me that I get virus warnings most often from people who have very little technical expertise. I usually follow through and check out the warning so I'm able to provide correct information - but most often, the virus warning e-mails I receive are just a well-intentioned nuisance. -Joe Offer- |
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28 Jul 01 - 04:23 PM (#516765) Subject: RE: Help: The last thing I want to read... From: McGrath of Harlow So, anyone on the Cat who wants to get in touch with me, send me a PM instead of an email. Aside from anything else, it doesn't get lost in the spam.
Moreover, the free email forwarders I use has just decided to ration users to 25 emails a day, so that doesn't leave all that much room for real emails once the spam has been deleted unreasd. I mean the real soam - all the get-rich-quick and the dirty postcard brigade. The Space Invaders whom I blast with Block Sender - but there are always more of them coming up behind.
I'm afraid I tend not to open any threads about viruses, because i can't understand them. And if I do understand them, I get worried. I'm the same with articles about illness.
"The last thing I want to read" is a nice ironic ambiguous phrase. For example, what Litle Hawk wrote: "The last thing I would want to read just before dying would be a spiritual text or a philosophical text reminding me of the goodness of life, humanity, and creation" - you could read that either way. In context it was clear LH meant it unironically. But I can imagine Brendy writing exactly the same words, and I wouldn't see it as meaning the same thing at all.
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28 Jul 01 - 05:24 PM (#516779) Subject: RE: Help: The last thing I want to read... From: GUEST,Bob Pacquin I think Brendy is a bit of an excitable boy, and, his expressions are a bit on the extreme edge, but that is about where I would be if I got an infected e-mail from someone that I didn't like, didn't want anything to do with, and I knew didn't like me, and who, nonetheless, had stubbornly kept my e-mail address in an active address book--And I wouldn't have been any happier if that infected e-mail was a warning from someone who was afraid that they were sending out contaminated e-mails--As Joe pointed out, that is not a very bright thing to do-- As always happens when someone blows off some steam, Brendy's gut reaction to all this has become the issue, and not Susan's action, which was really the problem--
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28 Jul 01 - 05:46 PM (#516787) Subject: RE: Help: The last thing I want to read... From: Bernard In my guise as an IT professional, I agree that anti-virus software is no guarantee against infection, but it is, sadly, necessary. I only started using Norton a couple of months ago because I was receiving infected mail quite regularly - which I was able to recognise and delete safely - but realised it is only a matter of time before the worst happens. I have never had a virus or worm on my system, but know dozens who have, many of whom I have had to disinfect... Vigilance, such as has been suggested by others above, is the first line of defence, and mailing lists are most likely to propagate such malicious software. As a member of a Morris side which needs to use a mailing list, I decided to use eGroups, which was later taken over by Yahoo. Such groups are less likely to cause the spread of email-borne viruses, as the providers screen such emails for viruses for their own protection, as the messages are retained on their servers for some considerable period. Such groups can be set up for the use of members only, which significantly cuts down the risk of spam - the group server returns such unwanted matter to the sender, or deletes undisclosed senders' messages. Unfortunately, viruses and worms are like car thieves - if they want to do their worst, you cannot stop them... just try to make it as difficult as possible for them!!
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28 Jul 01 - 07:31 PM (#516837) Subject: RE: Help: The last thing I want to read... From: GUEST,PAH Do you all really think that this discussion is about virus alerts and such.....look a little closer. this is about one person's total dislike for someone else and he has decided to use this thing (the virus issue) as an opportunity to launch an attack. I can disagree with someone about their beliefs and how they go about them and in fact I DO disagree with the lengths that susan goes in that regard but be clear about this. This thread was NOT a discussion about virus alerts and infected computers, this was about one man's need to be an arrogant, macho, need to be a big man, cyber-asshole and that's what he did. No thanks on the welcome there Hombre, it means nothing here..... PAH |
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28 Jul 01 - 07:49 PM (#516843) Subject: RE: Help: The last thing I want to read... From: McGrath of Harlow I saw it as a last straw thing, and maybe a misunderstanding as well. I can't see how the "macho" remark really adds up. Thee are plenty of women around who are every bit as liable to erupt.
Getting back to Pinetop Slim's appropriate bit of thread drift, and the ambiguity I remarked upon in the thread title, I suppose the way we express the difference is that if we say "The last thing I want to read" it means you don't wan tot read it, whereas "the thing I want to read last" means you do want to read it.
I think the thing I might want to read last could well be a poem I just posted on another thread.
And the related question is, what is the thing I would least like to be the last thing I said or wrote to a friend. And that is a whole other kettle of fish. |
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28 Jul 01 - 07:58 PM (#516849) Subject: RE: Help: The last thing I want to read... From: Peter K (Fionn) Good point on the ambiguity McGrath - I hadn't noticed. It's like they say in that old advert,"Nothing works faster than Anadin.") And spot on, Bob - you hit two nails on their heads in one post. |
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28 Jul 01 - 08:56 PM (#516883) Subject: RE: Help: The last thing I want to read... From: katlaughing As Brendy said, The virus is not the problem. My apologies, apparently vacation hasn't started, yet, according to some other postings of today. It seems we should all adopt a policy of not adding anyone to a list unless they give their permission. I know I've made some mistakes in the infrequent times I've sent out healing requests, but I've also made a point to remove someone's name when they've asked and I now have the names in my address book marked, permanently, of those who do NOT want to receive such. kat
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28 Jul 01 - 09:34 PM (#516902) Subject: Fighting the KAK Worm & others... From: Joe Offer If there are people you'd like to keep on file, but don't want to risk sending accidental e-mail to them, copy their e-mail address to the "other" section of the person's entry in your Windows Address Book. Then delete the e-mail address from its regular location. You'll still have the address on file if you need to refer to it, but you won't accidentally send out e-mail to the person. I think this would also eliminate the chance of a worm or virus sending e-mail to that particular person. People who send and receive lots of e-mail are bound to pick up a virus or worm along the way. I think they have a responsibility to be aware of that, and to take special precautions to protect others. -Joe Offer- |
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29 Jul 01 - 04:17 AM (#516997) Subject: RE: Help: The last thing I want to read... From: Roger in Sheffield .....in the morning is this thread again. Can it go now?. susan just delete the address, let him know and let it go What a place this must seem to be to anyone looking at mudcat for the first time, and every new comment drags it back to the top again Its all been said, just let this thread die |
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29 Jul 01 - 04:55 AM (#517009) Subject: RE: Help: The last thing I want to read... From: Brendy Well. whatever about the last thing I would want to read before I pass on, I certainly know that the last thing I wanted to read on a 28 degree C morning with the sun splitting the stones, was sad little cries for attention from one of Mudcat's self-appointed evangelists. Pah...sorry, man...you are on the wrong track. This is about geeting removed from Praise's mailing list. Whether I show my annoyance by four letter words or by 15 letter words is my prerogative. If she can spam me, I can 'fuck her from a height' And if you remember far enough back (it's amazing how closely people read between the lines, yet fail to read the actual ones closely enough) I did ask for no discussion; I wanted off the mailing list then..or as I put it at the time..NOW!...You know...GET ME TO FUCK OFF YOUR MAILING LIST!! Here's one more unsolicited spam mail I received from her: ________________________________________________________________________ From: The Hintons To: abuse@ptd.net Cc: Joe Offer ; Brendan McKeever Sent: Saturday, July 28, 2001 1:52 PM Subject: Possible E-Mail Abuse Allegation Dear PenTeleData Abuse Department, Please be advised that at a public internet forum at which I am an active member in good standing, another member of that forum is threatening to blackmail me through complaints to you about my unsolicited "mailings" to him. I will be more than pleased to respond with the facts (and documentation of his ongoing harassment of me at that forum), if he does pursue a complaint through you, but we will be out of town until mid-August.. He is alleging that he has informed me privately that he does not desire mail from me, but I have not, to my knowledge, ever received such a private notice or a request to me to be removed from my address book. He may have notified me-- we had a housefire in December and some details may have gotten lost in the aftermath. But I have certainly not intentionally spammed him as he alleges. I do a lot of group mailing in connection with a number of activities I coordinate and as a member of that community, using addresses provided in good faith and used member-to-member widely throughout that community. I am careful to use addresses discreetly and appropriately, and never for commercial purposes. As a former Red Cross director and as a pastor's wife, I have wide familiarity with boundaries in general and with all the levels of confidentiality there are. However, I recently upgraded my system, and when sending a mail of that sort earlier this week, I did inadvertently mail to him recently in connection with a verified virus warning-- when I upgraded systems a few weeks ago, the old address book folders did not transfer with all subfolders intact. As a result, his address, which had been segregated in a "Non-pub" folder of addresses of people who do not want to be mailed and/or who have harassed or threatened me, was transferred into my main address book. So when I sent a group mail on BCC he received it and seems to have assumed I was harassing him individually. My husband and I are people of good reputation, well known in our community for helping, not harming. We would anticipate that any efforts to malign us through PTD will be in vain. We will be out of town through mid-August and not available to respond until then if a complain is received. Until then I am documenting all of this individual's communications so that they will be available if needed. A copy to the individual (and to one of the referenced forum's volunteer administrators) is sent with this mail. ~Susan Hinton ______________________________________________________________ PAH...close your eyes for a minute. Pretend you are one of these JoeClones. Now you are whizzing through the innerspace of the Mudcat servers. In fact any Joe, or Clone has my express permission to read it. In it are a few seroius unsubstantiated allegations, plus the qualifier at the end. Now PAH...you would want to be very sure...and I mean VERY SURE that you knew what the fuck you were talking about, and without the added knowledge that I KNOW that she is barking as far up the wrong tree as she could possibly imagine....because I KNOW, my man.....I know the FULL STORY...and I don't give a fuck who you are, but you don't..... Joe. You (if you want to, mind you), can delve into that message if you want, and confirm for me (again, if you want to), and to the assembled masses here, that she was planning to do this, and would cut off any E.mails I would send her back complaining about this, by forwarding my mail on to anybody she chose. Praise is wrong about a couple of things...I never claimed to have asked her PRIVATELY to desist. That would be a bit counter-productive, wouldn't it? If she is going to document 'all of this individual's communications', there would little sense in it, would there?, and jackass or no, there's one thing I am not...and that is stupid. I publish these PMs only because there is a new mailing list, now. One which Joe Offer and I seem to be the persent recipients. And I have said that I don't want any mails from her. Purely conjectural, here, but if I decided to start a mailing list, and arbitrarily add people to it...what's to stop me? Or Fionn, for instance (no offence, man), or kat (again, darlin'...no offence). Anybody, in fact. But do you get the drift? Spam from 'Ikea Customer Services Department' (God Forbid!), or whatever, can be dealt with. I am running the E-business part of a 3D business that is owned by a mate of mine, and I get attachments like 'joke.exe' all the time. I'm running Office XP, and automation is the sweetest thing, believe me. I get shitloads of spam every hour, for chrisssakes, that I have no control over. That sirc virus has been in and out of here since it started, and there's people in and out of here who know their stuff a hell of a lot better than I do, who check this yoke, here on a daily basis for trojans and spybots, and all sorts of nasty things.... But I can't go off to some of these wankers and say..."Excuse me..can you take yourself and the rest of your fucking spam mail, and not kindly at all, Fuck OFF", because I don't know who any of these assholes are. They're from Taiwan, Argentina, Malawi, The Seychelles, for God's sake. Praise is here..I can contact her here....and I did...78 posts back. I also did it a few months ago...publicly. I want NO intimacy or privacy with Praise, whatsoever. I do not send her PMs, and I don't want her to send me details of what she's up to, where she's been, where she's going, what she thinks I need. If we were in a pub, and that was me getting into some woman's face, despite repeated 'Fuck offs' from the lady in question, I'd end up with a baseball bat or golf club over the back of the head. And do you know something....I'd deserve it! STOP SENDING ME YOUR SHIT, PRAISE...I DON'T WANT IT. B. |
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29 Jul 01 - 05:11 AM (#517013) Subject: RE: Help: The last thing I want to read... From: Joe Offer Well, Brendy, I suggested to her that it would be in her best interest to remove you from her Windows Address Book and not have any contact with you. Apparently, she's even more stubborn than you are. But not much... I think this is a personal matter between the two of you. The rest of us can't help. Good night. -Joe Offer- |
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29 Jul 01 - 05:49 AM (#517023) Subject: RE: Help: The last thing I want to read... From: Brendy Why, though, is she stubborn, Joe? Why does she refuse to remove me from her mailing list? I have no control over who has my name and address in their Windows or other address book, and as such can't effectively complain about it. But to be part of a mailing list is a different sack of spuds, Joe, and she got BOTH e-mail addresses from this site. Fair enough, my fault for letting e-mail addresses lying around....it's odd, really, but if she took the trouble to look out there, she would find all the information she ever wanted to find out as how how to get in touch with me. You are absolutely right, however. She is going to be the one who decides whether she listens to not just me, but a few others up there, who have expressed their discomfort at the idea of this. The fact that I do not like the way she evangelises on this site, has meant that I must suffer her spam. In a way, too, the actual spam itself is as 'harmless' as the next piece of shit that I receive, but yes, she is leaving me on her list out of spite. Which is what I have said, already. I see her to be a hypocrite on this site...I always have, and I have told her so. I get told to fuck off by half of you every time I come in here. Received any spam from me, lately? And I don't even claim to be a Christian. B. |
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29 Jul 01 - 07:29 AM (#517063) Subject: RE: Help: The last thing I want to read... From: John P Susan, I would also like to be removed from your mailing list. I found it disconcerting to be part of a mass email from someone on Mudcat. How and why did you get my email address? Why did you save it in your address book? Why did you choose to use it? It makes you look like a spammer. John Peekstok |
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29 Jul 01 - 07:35 AM (#517066) Subject: RE: Help: The last thing I want to read... From: McGrath of Harlow If someone doesn't want your emails they'll have almost certainly put a Block Sender on them, so they won't get through. So there's really no point on sending them any email, or even keeping the address.
All right, they could use a different computer or a different email account. But that'd be a bit weird.
But in any case the sensible thing with an address you aren't going to use, but don't want to lose, in case of some kind of emergency, is to write it down in a book, not rely on the computer with all its funny little ways of screwing things up. |
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29 Jul 01 - 07:37 AM (#517067) Subject: RE: Help: The last thing I want to read... From: John P Wow, sorry about the multiple postings. It looked from here like the Mudcat site froze up and didn't take my message, so I opened another version of it and sent it again. I don't know where the third one came from. JP
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29 Jul 01 - 08:03 AM (#517076) Subject: RE: Help: The last thing I want to read... From: McGrath of Harlow Well,as Lewis Carrol put it, John P:
"Just the place for a Snark!" the Bellman cried, As he landed his crew with care; Supporting each man on the top of the tide By a finger entwined in his hair. "Just the place for a Snark! I have said it twice: That alone should encourage the crew. Just the place for a Snark! I have said it thrice: What I tell you three times is true."
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29 Jul 01 - 12:05 PM (#517163) Subject: RE: Help: The last thing I want to read... From: McGrath of Harlow I think that's only electronic data bases. Otherwise everyone with an address book in their desk drawer would be at risk, and every journalist would be in jail.
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29 Jul 01 - 12:44 PM (#517178) Subject: RE: Help: The last thing I want to read... From: Bernard No, the law includes any records kept without the permission of the 'owner' of the information - policing it is by complaint... Documents such as invoices which must be legally kept for Inland Revenue/Customs and Excise purposes are exempt, but must not be used as mailing lists. As I said, 'without going into the finer points'!! :o) |
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29 Jul 01 - 12:55 PM (#517184) Subject: RE: Help: The last thing I want to read... From: Bernard Data Protection Act Journalists are specifically mentioned! |
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29 Jul 01 - 01:03 PM (#517189) Subject: RE: Help: The last thing I want to read... From: McGrath of Harlow So if I write down my address in my pocket diary and I haven't asked your permission I'm in breach of the law? Or if some shady character doesn't want a journalist to have his name in his contact book, he can force him to remove it? I can see some difficulties making that stand up in court.
Still looks clear enough that, in this case, once Brendy has asked to be removed from a mailing list, however acerbically that demand may have been expressed, WYSIWYG has no legal option but to comply.
Always assuming that the law in the States is similar, which I imagine it would be.
Here is a link to lots of stuff about that Maybe someone who understands things like that might have a look through it and clarify the position. |
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29 Jul 01 - 01:47 PM (#517212) Subject: RE: Help: The last thing I want to read... From: Bernard I suppose they have to draw a line somewhere. As it is 'policed by complaint', the chances of Joe Public being prosecuted is pretty remote. Unfortunately, 'ignorance of the law is no excuse'. Daft old world, innit?! |
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29 Jul 01 - 03:17 PM (#517264) Subject: RE: Help: The last thing I want to read... From: GUEST,PAH i DO know what I am talking about. I'm talking about how you jumped down the throat of anyone who had an opinion, like Sorcha (who by the way, prefers not to be called Sarah, why is that so hard for YOU to understand?), Richm, and others. I don't care what happens between you and Susan but you seem to think it's important enough to bring it up to everyone here and then when they respond, you jump down their throats. If you don't want the opinions and the response, don't start the thread, it doesn't take a brain surgeon to figure that one out. Roger in Shefield, I know this keeps bringing things up to the top but hey, is this really worse than the "prayer paranoia" thread a while back? However, I do agree that this kind of thing keeps people away, but what can you do? PAH |
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29 Jul 01 - 04:48 PM (#517302) Subject: RE: Help: The last thing I want to read... From: GUEST,publius One has to question the mental health & stability of a self-proclaimed "Christian" who maintains a Nixon-style enemies list( presumably to forward to the Lord so that He may appropriately smite the wicked, or at least those she so designates?), persists in sending messages to someone who has repeatedly requested she not do so, and continually spews her personal brand of religious garbage where it has been made manifest t is not appreciated or welcome. Is she unbalanced? infantile? or, like the majority of religious nut-cases in the world, simply unable to desist from doing what she mistakenly sees as "God's Work"- as with the Nazi belt buckle, emblazoned proudly "Gott Mit Uns". Whatever the cause,I pity her husband's congregation. Let us pray: Dear Lord, protect us from your followers! Particularly the more deeply disturbed ones. Name witheld to avoid Praise, the Oracle of Holy Spam. |
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29 Jul 01 - 05:55 PM (#517328) Subject: RE: Help: The last thing I want to read... From: toadfrog This has to be the yuckkiest thread of all! |
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30 Jul 01 - 10:53 AM (#517672) Subject: RE: Help: The last thing I want to read... From: SharonA Question: If there are people you'd like to keep on file, but don't want to risk sending accidental e-mail to them, how do you accomplish this using Outlook Express 5, Macintosh edition? SharonA |
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30 Jul 01 - 01:36 PM (#517786) Subject: RE: Help: The last thing I want to read... From: Peter K (Fionn) WYSIWYG's whingeing to ptd.net (or mewling and puking to borrow Shakespeare's phrase) just about takes the biscuit. She says she is an active member of this forum, "in good standing", but might equally have said she got up so many noses here that she flounced away promising never to return. Promises, promises.... And what is "that community" to which she mysteriously refers? I dread to think. Anyway, if her complaint comes to anything, it looks like there will be no shortage of catters prepared to fill in ptd.net on some of the detail WYSIWYG forgot to mention. There's plenty on the record at Mudcat to show I'm not immune from Brendy's temper, nor spared it. But my only concern about lining up with him in this present spat is that WYSIWYG will be just itching to be martyred. |
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30 Jul 01 - 03:02 PM (#517851) Subject: RE: Help: The last thing I want to read... From: Greg F. I'm hardly an expert on Outlook, Sharon- I don't use it because of some of the real problems with it mentioned in the several "Virus" threads(Take a look at Eudora if you get a chance- there's a version you can get for free) but you should be able to set up separate Folders and /or Groups in Outlook by clicking the "New" button then "Folder" or "Group"& then send multiple mailings only to those addresses saved in a particular group or folder. There's folks better acquainted with Microsoft products that I that will probably jump in here to help. Good Luck! Best, Greg |
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30 Jul 01 - 04:09 PM (#517888) Subject: RE: Help: The last thing I want to read... From: Jeri Viruses don't forward themselves to just one person. A few of us received the same warning from her, and there was no attachment. I can't see Susan intentionally e-mailing Brendy. I can't see her intentionally sending him a virus. I can't see Brendy lying about having received one. These are two basically decent people who have traits and tendencies that the other person can't stand. Brendy and WYSIWYG also have enough folks around here who absolutely hate one of them enough to join the party and revel in that hatred.
What I can see is (and forgive me for being paranoid) someone realising: There are a few people around here who possibly hate both Brendy and WYSIWYG, or perhaps hate only her and know Brendy will just do what they expect him to do. There are some people around here who are fully capable of doing something as sinister and illegal as this. I hope for the sake of the truth, Brendy really did complain to someone who can figure out where the message originated. And yeah, this is just speculation - just another possibility. |
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30 Jul 01 - 04:16 PM (#517892) Subject: RE: Help: The last thing I want to read... From: McGrath of Harlow Question: If there are people you'd like to keep on file, but don't want to risk sending accidental e-mail to them, how do you accomplish this using Outlook Express 5, Macintosh edition?
Why not eliminate all risk and use a pencil and paper. Or if you want to be more up to date, a ball-point pen. Older technologies have a lot of advantages sometimes. (Look at the instruments we like playing, after all.) |
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30 Jul 01 - 09:34 PM (#518061) Subject: RE: Help: The last thing I want to read... From: Greg F. Ah, McGrath, a Luddite after my own heart. Heck, I still write with a fountain pen you have to fill from a bottle! Cheers, Greg |
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30 Jul 01 - 09:46 PM (#518067) Subject: RE: Help: The last thing I want to read... From: Little Hawk Carrier pigeons are the new age way to go. Much more personal. As for me, I have never yet had the urge to send out a mass emailing to all or even some of the people on my address list. Why do so, when I can just post a thread on the Mudcat? That way, they who want to read it can, and they who don't can ignore it...or hurl abuse at it...whatever makes them happy. Speaking of which, my computer may be down with a virus. It's in for repairs as we...ummm...surf? - LH |
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31 Jul 01 - 12:33 AM (#518162) Subject: RE: Help: The last thing I want to read... From: John Kidder This entire thread, now read, is at least close to the bottom of the list of things I might ever want to read. What an astonishing amount of energy that might have been used for something more useful, i.e., almost anything else. |
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31 Jul 01 - 12:48 AM (#518169) Subject: RE: Help: The last thing I want to read... From: Sorcha o for pity's sake, it's over 100 posts, let it die a decent, dignified death. Nobody's right, nobody's wrong; it's just a mess, OK? Take a Chill Pill, ya'll. |
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31 Jul 01 - 04:45 PM (#518596) Subject: RE: Help: The last thing I want to read... From: Peter K (Fionn) Wrong on both counts Sorcha. Brendy's right, WYSIWYG's wrong. Hopefully no-one's going to argue, but if they do, I'll be happy to create a continuation thread. |
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31 Jul 01 - 09:47 PM (#518757) Subject: RE: Help: The last thing I want to read... From: GUEST,Quincy Sorry I thought this WAS about a favorite or least favorite book. Didn't know I'd stumbled on an argument. Riveting tho'. I'll tell you something tho','dignified' it ain't. I don't care how irritating the person may be, I sure wouldn't apologize to anyone who uses that kind of language right off the bat. Quincy |
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31 Jul 01 - 10:00 PM (#518763) Subject: RE: Help: The last thing I want to read... From: Sorcha Fionn, see the help forum, under the Help thread......... |
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31 Jul 01 - 10:04 PM (#518766) Subject: RE: Help: The last thing I want to read... From: GUEST,PAH No Fionn, WYSISYG's wrong and Brendy's an idiot. He's handled himself poorly here and has treated anyone with a differing opinion like dirt.....he has shown his true colors with this one..... PAH |
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31 Jul 01 - 10:20 PM (#518776) Subject: RE: Help: The last thing I want to read... From: Coyote Breath ye GODS! I'm new to Mudcat. I'm beginning to think your're a bunch of whiney dogs. And please, watch your language! potty mouthisms are completely inappropriate in such a public forum. |
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01 Aug 01 - 09:37 AM (#519005) Subject: RE: Help: The last thing I want to read... From: SharonA Welcome, Coyote Breath. I'm kinda new here too. My impression is that they (we) are not ALL whiney dogs... some of us are just whiney! ;^) Seriously, though, I must agree with those who are dismayed by the extent of Brendy's f***ing foul language. I think that Brendy's point would have been taken much better without it. |
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01 Aug 01 - 01:55 PM (#519192) Subject: RE: Help: The last thing I want to read... From: Peter K (Fionn) Well I promised a continuation thread, so here it is. Please post any further comments at The last thing I want to read (2). For the benefit of any newcomer, this is because threads with 100-plus posts can be a pain to load on some machines. |