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Info: Chickens in the Garden / Farmer's Daughter

10 Oct 99 - 11:11 PM (#122610)
Subject: Tune Add: CHICKENS IN THE GARDEN
From: John in Brisbane

Another one.

MIDI file: chickens.mid

Timebase: 96

Text: CHICKENS IN THE GARDEN
Key: A
Tempo: 060 (1000000 microsec/crotchet)
TimeSig: 6/8 36 8
Key: A
Start
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End

This program is worth the effort of learning it.

To download the March 10 MIDItext 98 software and get instructions on how to use it click here

ABC format:

X:1
T:Chickens In The Garden
M:6/8
Q:1/4=60
K:A
E6|A,2B,C2F|E2FA,2A|A2GB2A|F4GG|G5/8G3/4E5/8G2A2|
B2EEFF|FEAA2C|B,3C2B,|A,2B,C2F|E2A,3A|A2GBAF|
F5A|AB2AFE|A2AA,2C|CD2CB,A,|A,6|C2B,C2F|E3A,2A|
A2BBAF|F5A|G2GG2A|B2BE2F|F2AAC2|B,5B,|C2B,C2F|
E2FA,2E|A2GBAF|F5A|A2BAF2|EA2A,2C|B,6|A,3||

I can't get this tune to work right for me, so I'm going to pass it by.
-Joe Offer-

29 Aug 01 - 01:01 PM (#537555)
Subject: Chickens in the Garden
From: Kim C

Does anyone have any information about the origins/date of this neat little song the Watersons recorded? I checked the DT and Google and can't find anything.

29 Aug 01 - 01:05 PM (#537558)
Subject: RE: Help: Chickens in the Garden
From: IanC

There's various info on the forum, but here's someting useful from this site.

From A. L. Lloyd's notes: Martin Carthy and Norma Waterson heard a man named Joe Udal sing this at a shepherd's meet in the Lake District in 1974, and took a fancy to it. As well they might.

Cheers!
Ian

29 Aug 01 - 01:07 PM (#537560)
Subject: RE: Help: Chickens in the Garden
From: Kim C

That's in the liner notes of the album... but I have a feeling the song predates 1974, although I could be wrong...

29 Aug 01 - 01:09 PM (#537562)
Subject: RE: Help: Chickens in the Garden
From: IanC

Course it does, Kim. They got it from the singing of Joe Udall. You could try looking him up, now, on the net!

Cheers!
Ian

29 Aug 01 - 01:18 PM (#537567)
Subject: RE: Help: Chickens in the Garden
From: Kim C

(sheepishly) yes, I guess I could do that! ;-) why didn't I think of that before!! dang, my brain is full...

29 Aug 01 - 01:23 PM (#537570)
Subject: RE: Help: Chickens in the Garden
From: Wolfgang

Treat My Daughter Kindly (The Little Farm)

DESCRIPTION: The singer meets and falls in love with a girl. Her father asks him to "Treat my daughter kindly, never do her harm. When I die I'll leave you my little house and farm." The two are happily married and live a contented life
AUTHOR: James Bland
EARLIEST DATE: 1878 (sheet music for "The Farmer's Daughter, or The Little Chickens in the Garden" published)
KEYWORDS: courting marriage father
FOUND IN: US(MA,MW,NE,SE,So) Britain(England) Ireland
REFERENCES (7 citations):
Gardner/Chickering-BalladsAndSongsOfSouthernMichigan 119, "I Once Did Know a Farmer" (1 text plus an excerpt)
Randolph 668, "The Little Chickens in the Garden" (1 text plus a fragment, 1 tune)
Brown/Belden/Hudson-FrankCBrownCollectionNCFolklore2 175, "The Farmer's Daughter" (1 text)
Warner-TraditionalAmericanFolkSongsFromAnneAndFrankWarnerColl 77, "Treat My Daughter Kindly (or, The Little Farm)" (1 text)
Bronner/Eskin-FolksongAlivePart2 47, "I Once Did Know a Farmer" (1 text, 1 tune)
McBride-FlowerOfDunaffHillAndMoreTradSongsInnishowen 68, "Treat My Daughter Kindly" (1 text, 1 tune)
Williams-Wiltshire-WSRO Wt 337, "All the Little Chickens in the Garden" (1 text)
ST R668 (Partial)
Roud #2552
RECORDINGS:
Riley Puckett, "Farmer's Daughter" (Columbia 15686-D, 1931; rec. 1928)
Arthur Smith Trio, "The Farmer's Daughter" (Bluebird B-7893, 1938)
BROADSIDES:
NLScotland, L.C.Fol.70(62a), "The Chickens in the Garden," Poet's Box (Dundee), c. 1890
File: R668

Go to the Ballad Search form
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Go to the Ballad Index Instructions
Go to the Ballad Index Bibliography or Discography

That's my copy&paste job from the very useful Traditional ballad index.

Wolfgang

29 Aug 01 - 01:41 PM (#537584)
Subject: RE: Help: Chickens in the Garden
From: Marymac90

I don't know about the above, (though I do love the Watersons), but I do know a really nifty little 3-part rythmic (sp?) spoken word piece to teach to a group, and it mentions the same topic!

Divide the group into 3 parts, and teach each group one part.

Group 1:

The chickens (pause)
are eating (pause)
the toe-may-toes!

Group 2: Even the rabbits inhibit their habits when (mini-pause)
carrots (pause)
are (pause)
green!

Group 3: Squaaaaaaassssshh! (pause)
Squaaaaasssshhhhh! (pause)
Squuaaaaasssshhhh! (pause)

When each group completes their part, they start it over again. All three groups recite their parts SIMULTANEOUSLY!!! After they have gotten them down pat, they can walk around, and mill amongst the people with other parts. They then recite their parts TO people with another part, who are saying THEIR own part to back to them at the same time! If it's being done in the proper spirit, sooner or later everyone will dissolve into gales of laughter!!!

Marymac

29 Aug 01 - 01:48 PM (#537585)
Subject: RE: Help: Chickens in the Garden
From: Kim C

Thanks Wolfgang! where's the Traditional Ballad index?

(I couldn't find anything on Joe Udall.)

29 Aug 01 - 02:03 PM (#537591)
Subject: RE: Help: Chickens in the Garden
From: Malcolm Douglas

The Traditional Ballad Index

29 Aug 01 - 02:37 PM (#537609)
Subject: RE: Help: Chickens in the Garden
From: Mrrzy

I have this by the Wolfe Tones, very different verses (same idea, though), and the chorus goes Treat me daughter kindly, and shield her from all harm, which I like a lot. If anybody is interested in alternative versions but not added info, I'll post those lyrics too.

29 Aug 01 - 02:38 PM (#537611)
Subject: RE: Help: Chickens in the Garden
From: Mrrzy

Oops, I meant "and SHADE her from all harm" -- Had to sing it again to get it right!

29 Aug 01 - 02:38 PM (#537612)
Subject: RE: Help: Chickens in the Garden
From: Kim C

Thanks Malcolm. I have bookmarked it. :-)

29 Aug 01 - 03:57 PM (#537664)
Subject: RE: Help: Chickens in the Garden
From: GUEST,lingolucky

The late John A. Lomax jr. recorded this song on Folkways(FG3501 A) in 1956. It was one of the favorite songs , handed down in the Lomax family, he said. I've misplaced the printed copy.

29 Aug 01 - 07:39 PM (#537795)
Subject: RE: Help: Chickens in the Garden
From: Lynn W

There is sheet music for this song (pre 1885) on the Library of Congress site click here It is said to be written by James Bland- "Greatest success of the season"!

29 Aug 01 - 08:03 PM (#537808)
Subject: RE: Help: Chickens in the Garden
From: Guy Wolff

I love this soung! I think it could make a great text for a kids book. Country Life first though.. All the best Guy<><><><><><><><><><><><><

29 Aug 01 - 11:04 PM (#537899)
Subject: RE: Help: Chickens in the Garden
From: toadfrog

There is a folkways album of Dillard Chandler, with liner notes by John Cohen, giving the history of the song; unfortunately, I pitched my copy (so it's not Fokways Record FA2309, which I still have). If I recall correctly, it pretty much jibes with what Lynn W. says, i.e., fairly old but not traditional. However, her clickie seems not to work.

29 Aug 01 - 11:11 PM (#537901)
Subject: RE: Help: Chickens in the Garden
From: toadfrog

The song is at The Lester S. Levy Collection of Sheet Music Title: THE FARMER'S DAUGHTER, composed by James A. Bland, 1883.

30 Aug 01 - 10:08 AM (#538079)
Subject: RE: Help: Chickens in the Garden
From: Kim C

Hmm. That's very interesting. So where does the Traditional Ballad Index get 1897?

30 Aug 01 - 10:39 AM (#538107)
Subject: RE: Help: Chickens in the Garden
From: Wolfgang

The Traditional ballad index in that entry is to read 'not later than'.

Wolfgang