21 Sep 01 - 01:18 PM (#555918) Subject: Give my love to Nell From: Louie Roy Can any one furnish the history on this tune?I know the lyrics and the only info I have it was recorded by Bradley Kincaid no date when.I also have info it was written in 1931 author unknown,but I firmly believe it was an Irish Ballad written many many years ago.Comments and thanks.Louie Roy |
21 Sep 01 - 01:24 PM (#555922) Subject: RE: Help: Give my love to Nell From: JenEllen The recording I have (not at hand) was by Dave Miller on the 'West Virginia Hills: Early Recordings From West Virginia' album. Someplace that might have more info is the Old Homestead Recordings? The e-mail address is oldhomestead@cac.net Hope it helps, ~J |
21 Sep 01 - 02:17 PM (#555974) Subject: RE: Help: Give my love to Nell From: Lin in Kansas Louie Roy-- I found the song in Songs of the Pioneers, Book 1, copyright 1970 by Albert E. Brumley & Sons, Powell, Missouri. Unfortunately, it gives no information on where the song might have been found before that, only that it was a "folk" or "pioneer" traditional song. It's possible they might know more about its origins. The book gives a mailing address of:
Pioneer Song Book Lin |
21 Sep 01 - 02:26 PM (#555981) Subject: RE: Help: Give my love to Nell From: McGrath of Harlow Weren't they Charles II's last dying words? Nell Gwynn being the Nell concerned. |
21 Sep 01 - 02:39 PM (#555995) Subject: Origins: Give my love to Nell From: Malcolm Douglas More on the lines of Be kind to poor Nelly, IIRC. The earliest Give My Love to Nell reference I can find offhand is to a songbook of 1931: Walter Peterson, "The Kentucky Wonder Bean": Sensational Collection of Mountain Ballads and Old Time Songs: Old Time Country and Western Music Souvenirs and Song Books. However, Bruce E. Baker's More Than Square Dance Music implies that the song was known at least as early as 1915, and perhaps before. I can't say that it strikes me as in any way Irish, or particularly old, but one never knows. |
21 Sep 01 - 05:04 PM (#556114) Subject: RE: Help: Give my love to Nell From: Louie Roy Thanks for all of the helpful info and I do track down all leads and if I find something more about this song I will post the info Thanks again Louie Roy |
21 Sep 01 - 05:10 PM (#556121) Subject: RE: Help: Give my love to Nell From: kendall What are you trying to do? Posting a question about music. The nerve of some people! *BG* |
21 Sep 01 - 10:46 PM (#556332) Subject: RE: Help: Give my love to Nell From: Louie Roy kendall,when you don't have the answer to a song you ask the advice of the many well versed people in Mudcat and they normally come through with the correct answers,but apparently you don't fit this elite group Louie Roy |
22 Sep 01 - 12:51 AM (#556427) Subject: RE: Help: Give my love to Nell From: M.Ted BG actually means something like *BigGrin*--and he is being wry on account of a the thread where some take issue with the fact that there is talk about things that are not strictly music related--Kendall actually knows a few things about music himself(or so he tells us)-- |
17 Sep 02 - 04:04 PM (#786072) Subject: ADD Version: Give My Love to Nell From: Joe Offer This is almost the same as what we have in the Digital Tradition, but there are a few differences that might be helpful. I see no reason why it should be added to the database. -Joe Offer- GIVE MY LOVE TO NELL Three years ago since Jack and Joe Set sail across the foam Each vowed a fortune he would make Before returning home In one short year Jack gained his wealth And started home that day And when these pals shook hands to part Poor Joe could only say: REFRAIN Give my love to Nellie, Jack And kiss her once for me The sweetest girl in all this world I'm sure you will agree Treat her kindly Jack, old pal And tell her I am well His parting words were, "Don't forget To give my love to Nell." Three years had passed when Joe at last Gained wealth enough for life He started home across the foam To make sweet Nell his wife But when he learned that Jack and Nell One year ago had wed With sobs and tears he now regrets That he had ever ever said: REFRAIN They chanced to meet upon the street Joe said, "You selfish elf, The next girl that I learn to love I'll kiss her for myself But all is fair in love, they say As you have gone and wed I'll not be angry with you, Jack," So once again he said: Source: Alfred E. Brumley's "Songs of the Pioneers," Volume 1 There's a recording at the American Memory Collection (click) of the Library of Congress. I don't know how to link directly to the recording - search for the exact phrase Jack and Joe. |
17 Sep 02 - 04:38 PM (#786109) Subject: Origins: Give My Love to Nell From: Joe Offer Ah, there's more, so let's tag this thread as an origins thread. -Joe Offer- Jack and JoeDESCRIPTION: Jack and Joe set sail to seek their fortunes. Jack is quickly successful. As he prepares to go home, Joe ask him to "Give my love to Nellie, Jack, Kiss her once for me." When Joe at last heads home, he finds that Jack has married NellieAUTHOR: William B. Gray EARLIEST DATE: 1894 KEYWORDS: love work exile return infidelity marriage FOUND IN: US(Ap,MW,Ro,SE,So) REFERENCES (4 citations): Randolph 813, "Jack and Joe" (1 text, 1 tune) McNeil-SFB1, pp. 116-118, "Jack and Joe" (1 text, 1 tune) BrownII 274, "Jack and Joe" (3 texts plus 1 excerpt and mention of 10 more) Abrahams/Foss, pp. 67-68, "Jack and Joe" (1 text, 1 tune) Roud #782 RECORDINGS: Blue Ridge Mountain Singers, "Give My Love to Nell" (Columbia 15580-D, 1930) Roy Harvey & the North Carolina Ramblers, "Give My Love to Nell" (Paramount 3065, 1937/Broadway 8080, c. 1931) Bradley Kincaid, "Give My Love to Nell" (Supertone 9350, 1929) (Brunswick 403, c. 1930) Asa Martin, "Give My Love to Nellie, Jack" (Conqueror 7745, 1931) David Miller, "Give My Love to Nell, Jack" (Challenge 392, c. 1928) Riley Puckett, "Jack and Joe" (Columbia 15139-D, 1927) George Reneau, "Jack and Joe" (Vocalion 15182, 1926) Ernest V. Stoneman, "Jack and Joe" (OKeh 40408, 1925) ALTERNATE TITLES: Give My Love to Nell Notes: The author, William B. Gray, is also responsible for "She's More to Be Pitied Than Censured." - RBW File: R813 Go to the Ballad Search form The Ballad Index Copyright 2003 by Robert B. Waltz and David G. Engle. |
02 Oct 03 - 02:41 PM (#1028158) Subject: GIVE MY LOVE TO NELL^^^ From: GUEST,haxciniaflame@hotmail.com My grandfather used to sing this to me when i was a kid. It was my favorite song...this is how i remember it... GIVE MY LOVE TO NELL Three years ago since Jack and Joe Set sail across the foam Each vowed a fortune he would gain Before returning home In one short year Jack gained his wealth And started home that day And when the pals shook hands to part Poor Joe could only say. REFRAIN: Give my love to Nellie, Jack And kiss her once for me The sweetest girl in all this world I'm sure you'll say is she Treat her kindly Jack, old pal And tell her I am well His parting words were don't forget To give my love to Nell. Three years had passed when Joe at last Gained wealth enough for life He started home across the foam To make sweet Nell his wife But when he learned that Jack and Nell One year ago had wed With sobs and tears he now regrets That he had ever ever said. REFRAIN They chanced to meet upon the street Joe said, you selfish "ELF" The next girl that I learn to love I'll kiss her for myself But all is fair in love, they say As you have gone and wed I'll not be angry with you Jack So once again he said. REFRAIN ^^^
-Joe Offer- |
02 Oct 03 - 03:23 PM (#1028187) Subject: RE: Lyrics: Many years ago, Jack and Joe From: Pinetop Slim Neat song. I first heard it on I.D. Stamper's album "Red Wing" (Appalshop)and it reminded me of the story line from "North to Alaska" (John Wayne and Stewart Granger?). I.D. said he learned it from "the Adams boys." Guessing from the DT notes, they might have picked it up from Bradley Kincaid. |
02 Oct 03 - 03:44 PM (#1028202) Subject: RE: Lyrics: Many years ago, Jack and Joe From: kendall I must have a hundred of these old things in the back of my head. |
02 Oct 03 - 04:21 PM (#1028225) Subject: RE: Lyrics: Many years ago, Jack and Joe From: Q (Frank Staplin) American Memory, Voices from the Dustbowl, has "Jack and Joe," sung by a Mrs. Prather. |
02 Oct 03 - 08:52 PM (#1028417) Subject: RE: Origins: Give My Love To Nell From: Joe Offer Brown North Carolina Folklore has 4 versions, and there's one each in Randolph's Ozark Folksongs and McNeil's Southern Folk Ballads. The versions are all so similar that I see no need to post them. The notes from McNeil are interesting, however:
Gray's song has been reported from traditional singers in Kentucky, Tennessee, Missouri, Illinois, Florida, Utah, and North Carolina. It is likely, though, that the ballad would be reported even more often except that many collectors are prejudiced against material that originated in Tin Pan Alley and have simply ignored it. Most texts reported to date show only minor variations and changes from version to version, suggesting that it is still largely dependent on mass media sources such as commercial records. |
02 Oct 03 - 09:33 PM (#1028446) Subject: RE: Origins: Give My Love To Nell From: Q (Frank Staplin) Max Hunter has three versions, one of which is very different, called "Two Little Lads." Sheet music is given, as well as audio. Twelve verses, about Jack and "Tom." After a while, Jack dies, and Tom marries the gal- not a happy marriage for Tom- but comic for us. Two Little Lads |
04 Oct 03 - 02:05 PM (#1029636) Subject: RE: Origins: Give My Love To Nell From: Q (Frank Staplin) Lyr. Add: TWO LITTLE LADS Two little lads, they had been friends Ever since childhood days Until one day, they met a fair maid An angel with charming ways. Both fell in love, each tried to win This little maiden fair Till sad was the day, the words she did say They sent Tom away, in despair. Years passed on, Jack won her hand Just as the story goes Until one day, in the middle of May In th alter those two were made one. Rush honeymoon, they returned soon, Jack met poor Tom one day Brace up my lad, don't look so sad, Then Tom, to Jack, did say- Jack, how I envy you I envy you, Jack, yes I do I know you won her fair an' square I hope she'll be true to you. I wish you much joy, ole boy And here is my hand on it too Jack, I'm not mad, for she loved you, my lad Tho' I envy you Jack, yes I do. They lived happy, both Jack and his wife Until one fatal day Sickness came on, poor Jack wasn't strong And it called his dear life away. His wife at the grave, O, how she did rave For she knew not what to do Till Tom came along, with a voice clear and strong Says, sweetheart I'll marry you. Years passed on, after the wed Children, they now have four Baby cries at night, Papa and Mamma, they fight And Papa sleeps on the floor. Poor Tom'll look back and think of poor Jack While passing his grave, each day He would stop with a sigh, for th tears filled his eyes And those are the words he would say- Jack, how I envy you Why, I envy you Jack, yes I do I know your troubles are o'er and passed I'd gladly change places with you. How happy you must be I once't was happy too You're far away, I'll be with you some day Tho' I envy you Jack, yes, I do. Mrs. Pearl Brewer, Pocahontas, Arkansas, 1958, with sheet music (two tunes- one for verse 1-4, 7-10 and another for 5 and 11) and audio. Quite a different take from the original "Jack and Joe." From Max Hunter Coll., link given in post above, Q, 02 Oct 03. Haven't found the original by Gray, 1894. There is a version in the Wolf Coll., but it offers nothing new. Classmates.com has taken the "Give My Love to Nell," Bradley Kincaid version (in the DT), given it a fancy background, and use it as an adv. on Genealogy-Rootsweb. |
26 Aug 08 - 08:23 PM (#2422932) Subject: RE: Origins: Give My Love To Nell From: GUEST,Eve The words that Q sent were nearer to the one that I remember my husband singing when I first met him back in 1942 |
08 Mar 09 - 06:48 PM (#2584184) Subject: RE: Origins: Give My Love to Nell From: GUEST,Schmaltz You can hear the recording by the "Blue Ridge Mountain Singers" at the link below: http://www.raeproductions.com/music/lvnel.html |
12 Apr 09 - 11:25 AM (#2609681) Subject: RE: Origins: Give My Love to Nell From: GUEST,Ron I have the recording done by Chet Atkins and Les Paul. |
19 Aug 14 - 01:53 AM (#3651931) Subject: RE: Origins: Give My Love to Nell From: GUEST,Guest, Floyd In the early 1940s, I remember sitting by mother at the piano. She graduated from high school in Greer County Oklahoma, in 1913 her diploma shows that one of her subjects was music. Mother and dad married in 1917. I always assumed (though she never said so) that this was one of the songs they would sing back in their courting days. |