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07 Nov 01 - 08:31 AM (#587333) Subject: Is 'Streets of London' a folk song From: GUEST 'Streets of London' by Ralph Mctell, is a folk song by most criteria - apart from the fact that we know who wrote it. Comments welcomed |
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07 Nov 01 - 10:02 AM (#587406) Subject: RE: Is 'Streets of London' a folk song From: Scabby Douglas OK.. |
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07 Nov 01 - 10:23 AM (#587421) Subject: RE: Is 'Streets of London' a folk song From: MMario depends on the definition of "Folk Song" In classifying, Laws allowed a known author, he also allowed much younger songs as "folk" and distribution other then oral. Others don't. it's an opinion call. |
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07 Nov 01 - 10:30 AM (#587425) Subject: RE: Is 'Streets of London' a folk song From: GUEST,Roger the skiffler No, it's an A-Z map. RtS (emptying out the old jokes bin) |
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07 Nov 01 - 11:29 AM (#587471) Subject: RE: Is 'Streets of London' a folk song From: Rick Fielding Not sure what criteria it passes for being a 'folk song' at all. Thought it was simply a very good ballad composed in the sixties (and used as the theme music for a British sex comedy called "The Amorous Vicar"). Rick |
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07 Nov 01 - 11:59 AM (#587485) Subject: RE: Is 'Streets of London' a folk song From: Lyndi-loo Here we go again trying to stick labels on things. What does it matter whether it's a folk song or not? just enjoy without categorising. Ppl who say they don't like folk may not even bother to listen if they think a song is classed as a "folk" song and many good songs lose out on listeners that way |
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07 Nov 01 - 12:01 PM (#587486) Subject: RE: Is 'Streets of London' a folk song From: Lyndi-loo Whoops sorry, replied to this one before I saw the other thread of the same name |
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07 Nov 01 - 12:05 PM (#587490) Subject: RE: Is 'Streets of London' a folk song From: Trevor Dunno whether it is or not but don't you just get fed up of being asked if you can 'do it'? |
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07 Nov 01 - 12:08 PM (#587493) Subject: RE: Is 'Streets of London' a folk song From: GUEST,JohnB I know a few difernet folk who sing this, you must be correct. There again, when Cleo Laine and Johnny Dankworth do it, does it become a Jazz classic? Maybe it's just a good song which crosses a few different boundaries. Perhaps we should consult the "Good Song" Nazi's and get their opinion. JohnB |
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07 Nov 01 - 12:23 PM (#587506) Subject: RE: Is 'Streets of London' a folk song From: GUEST,Steve Parkes It's not a traditional song, unless you've learned it from someone else with different words or music (sounds like Lonnie Donnegan!). Good tune, though: it's Varsity Rag slowed down; shame about the lyrics! Steve |
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07 Nov 01 - 12:36 PM (#587512) Subject: RE: Is 'Streets of London' a folk song From: Larry124 One evening about three years ago, I played "Streets" in a summer camp dining hall open stage to maybe 300 adult "folkies". That audience all knew the song and sang the choruses along with me. I was nervous, and mid-song I forgot the chords. I stopped playing but kept singing. So did the audience. We finished together, and everyone gave themselves a round of applause. Later someone thanked me for "ending the song that way, and giving us an chance to sing" So it's a folk song. |
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07 Nov 01 - 01:19 PM (#587539) Subject: RE: Is 'Streets of London' a folk song From: Don Firth Doesn't matter if it's a folk song or not. If you like it, sing it. If it isn't a folk song now, it may become one. That's how it works. Don Firth |
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07 Nov 01 - 02:37 PM (#587633) Subject: RE: Is 'Streets of London' a folk song From: weepiper "Let me take you by the throat, In case you sing 'The Streets of London...'" |
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07 Nov 01 - 02:39 PM (#587636) Subject: RE: Is 'Streets of London' a folk song From: vindelis Isn't this where the word 'Contemporary' comes into the equation? - Well for another half a century or so, at least. |
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07 Nov 01 - 02:41 PM (#587637) Subject: RE: Is 'Streets of London' a folk song From: SINSULL When Bert sings it, it is a folk song...and I had never heard it before last year. Must have been popular during my jazz stage or when I listened only to Dylan. |
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07 Nov 01 - 02:41 PM (#587639) Subject: RE: Is 'Streets of London' a folk song From: John MacKenzie I refer you to Leadbelly, as quoted in previous threads. Jock |
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07 Nov 01 - 02:54 PM (#587646) Subject: RE: Is 'Streets of London' a folk song From: Jim Hancock Just some thoughts on what makes music folk music 1. Cultural expression A musical form specific to a culture, written & performed by the common people for the common people. It probably expresses the beliefs, ideas and everyday concerns of the culture. e.g. if a farmhand sings songs about farming to farmhands it's probably folk music. 2. A musical style Music using traditional rhythms, instruments and styles of presentation. 3. At the end of the day the common people will decide what contemporary stuff counts as folk music, It's the Music which the ordinary people of 2001 decide is good enough to spend time learning, singing to their friends and passing on to their children, which brings us back to paragraph 1 |
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07 Nov 01 - 03:58 PM (#587713) Subject: RE: Is 'Streets of London' a folk song From: McGrath of Harlow Here's a link to the duplicate thread, which was taking off in a slightly different direction from this, about the merits of digging up old threads on well travelled issues such as What is Folk. |
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07 Nov 01 - 05:45 PM (#587791) Subject: RE: Is 'Streets of London' a folk song From: GUEST,Kernow John Love the song, don't have a problem with the words having been homeless and slept on the streets and in the shop doorways of London at a dark time in my youth. I never tire of being asked to play and sing it. Makes me think how lucky I am now. KJ |
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07 Nov 01 - 05:56 PM (#587801) Subject: RE: Is 'Streets of London' a folk song From: GUEST Rick Fielding, Yo say that 'Streets of London' doesn't pass many folksong criteria I would be interested to know what your criteria are (if you have the time to post) Many thanks Sorry if this is digging up old stuff, but it's quite new to me |
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07 Nov 01 - 06:17 PM (#587814) Subject: RE: Is 'Streets of London' a folk song From: Tattie Bogle I always thought of Ralph McTell as a folk singer too. We saw him once in Exeter: had to sit on the floor in some students' union, that made it seem more folkie?? Tattie B |
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07 Nov 01 - 06:23 PM (#587816) Subject: RE: Is 'Streets of London' a folk song From: Gareth Who cares !! It's a damn good song !! Gareth |
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07 Nov 01 - 07:12 PM (#587855) Subject: RE: Is 'Streets of London' a folk song From: GUEST,Guest Yup, it's a folk song. The folks like it!! |
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07 Nov 01 - 07:16 PM (#587861) Subject: RE: Is 'Streets of London' a folk song From: GUEST,Wanderer I think if you can sing two lines and can sit back and the rest of the bus will sing the rest, that's a folk song. |
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07 Nov 01 - 07:21 PM (#587863) Subject: RE: Is 'Streets of London' a folk song From: GUEST Wanderer I think you have hit the nail on the head apologies for reposting the last message, but it's the best definition that I've ever heard: if you can sing two lines and can sit back and the rest of the bus will sing the rest, that's a folk song |
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07 Nov 01 - 08:52 PM (#587923) Subject: RE: Is 'Streets of London' a folk song From: Art Thieme The tune to "Streets Of London" is "Canon" by Pachelbel. Art Thieme |
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07 Nov 01 - 10:10 PM (#587960) Subject: RE: Is 'Streets of London' a folk song From: Big Mick I sing it quite frequently. It is never received poorly. But Rick beat me to the punch. Lots of folks with an opinion in the affirmative or the negative, but no one gives the criteria they use to make the distinction. on what are you making your judgements? Mick |
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08 Nov 01 - 02:06 AM (#588063) Subject: RE: Is 'Streets of London' a folk song From: Liz the Squeak It isn't actually out of copyright yet, and Ralph gets very upset if people sing it with even one changed lyric.... he even tried to sue the BBC when they broadcast a football crowd singing it, substituting their home town for London..... I don't think it can be for that reason, but hey, who am I to say?? LTS |