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13 Dec 01 - 09:51 AM (#608948) Subject: Help: Gaelic pronunciation help, please From: GUEST,TNDARLN at work Can someone please help me with the pronunciation for this: Nollaig sona agut! Many thanks and Nollaig sona agut to you! T |
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13 Dec 01 - 10:09 AM (#608963) Subject: RE: Help: Gaelic pronunciation help, please From: GUEST,Nollaig We say Nollaig shona duit. Something like null-egg hunnah ditch. some people say dhuit (something like gitch). Stress on first syllables (though 'agut' would have more stress on the second syllable) HAPPY NOEL TO YOU also. |
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13 Dec 01 - 12:06 PM (#609045) Subject: RE: Help: Gaelic pronunciation help, please From: GUEST,TNDARLN at work 'Preciate that quick response! Thanks! |
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13 Dec 01 - 08:09 PM (#609363) Subject: RE: Help: Gaelic pronunciation help, please From: alison I would go for "dwitch" or "gwitch" for the last part "noll-egg shunna gwitch" Aine will probably be along soon to give you more advice slainte alison |
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13 Dec 01 - 08:12 PM (#609365) Subject: RE: Help: Gaelic pronunciation help, please From: George Seto - af221@chebucto.ns.ca In the Scottish Gaelic, we've got Merry Christmas as Nollaig Chridheil. I would be saying it as Knowl-laik Kree-uhl. For "Dhuit" (to you), I'm used to saying it as Goot |
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13 Dec 01 - 08:20 PM (#609369) Subject: RE: Help: Gaelic pronunciation help, please From: Big Mick I am glad you posted George. TNDARLIN, because it is a worldwide forum, you should be more specific on the language. The only language that is properly called Gaelic is Scots Gaelic. The language of the Irish people is called An Ghaeilge. In english we would simply refer to the language as Irish. THE FAIR ONE has given you two good pronounciations for the last word. There are several different regional dialects (just as we have in the states) each with different pronounciations. Mick |
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14 Dec 01 - 10:58 AM (#609645) Subject: RE: Help: Gaelic pronunciation help, please From: gnu So... where does my cousin get "Naulickg Shyohna" ? Is there ANY basis for his phonetics here ? |
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14 Dec 01 - 11:28 AM (#609661) Subject: RE: Help: Gaelic pronunciation help, please From: GUEST,TNDARLN at work Thanks again to all who have replied to my request. I have a book called "An Irish Night Before Christmas", [The author is Wexford-born Sarah Kirwan Blazek] that includes this line on the last page. I would never try to pronounce it w/o having asked. [and besides, I'm from the South -that's southern USA, y'all- and you know how we pronounce things anyway...] Among the other things I cannot pronounce correctly is "An Ghaeilge", and I usually don't write using words that I cannot pronounce; while I do know to say "Gallic" for Scots Gaelic, I would probably just say "Scots". I meant no offense: perhaps I should have just put the line in question as the subject...and I'm glad for the incredible resource the Mudcat is. T |
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14 Dec 01 - 11:37 AM (#609666) Subject: RE: Help: Gaelic pronunciation help, please From: George Seto - af221@chebucto.ns.ca Ah, but Scots is a different language. It is sometimes known as Doric or Broad Scots or High Scots. All mean the same thing. It's a language/dialect which is distinct from English and incorporates a number of Norse, French, Gaelic and older English forms. |
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14 Dec 01 - 01:47 PM (#609771) Subject: RE: Help: Gaelic pronunciation help, please From: GUEST,dreoilin Nollaig shona means simply happy Christmas and is pronounced Nollig Hunna. " Dhuit" means "to you" and has different pronunciations depending on the dialect. I would say "ghu-it". Nollaig shona díbh! |
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14 Dec 01 - 01:53 PM (#609777) Subject: RE: Help: Gaelic pronunciation help, please From: GUEST,Inia See also the pronunciation guides at: http://www.eusa.ed.ac.uk/societies/comann_ceilteach/home.htm and http://www.ibiblio.org/gaelic/ |
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15 Dec 01 - 06:22 AM (#610281) Subject: RE: Help: Gaelic pronunciation help, please From: GUEST,Oor Wullie George, What about Ulster Scots, then? The lied, Ah mean, no the fowke. Wullie |
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15 Dec 01 - 06:25 AM (#610282) Subject: RE: Help: Gaelic pronunciation help, please From: GUEST,Annraoi Alison, NIce to know you're still about. Will you be home for Christmas ? Have a good one, in any case. H. |
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15 Dec 01 - 08:23 AM (#610313) Subject: RE: Help: Gaelic pronunciation help, please From: George Seto - af221@chebucto.ns.ca Sorry, Oor Willie, I don't know that version. |
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15 Dec 01 - 09:55 PM (#610767) Subject: RE: Help: Gaelic pronunciation help, please From: alison not this year Annaroi... my dad and sister were both over here this year..... don't see me going back for a few years yet!! have a great Christmas slainte alison (alison@easy-pulse.com) |
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15 Dec 01 - 10:25 PM (#610780) Subject: RE: Help: Gaelic pronunciation help, please From: Áine Here's another 'spanner' to throw into the works ;-) -- I pronounce 'dhuit' with a Donegal accent, which means that the 'dhu' is not exactly a 'gwu' sound, but almost swallowed in the back of the throat. It's impossible to explain without hearing it; although, one of my students once described it as 'the sound a cat makes when it heaves a furball'. As for the 'it' on the end of 'dhuit', I pronounce that like the English word 'itch'. -- Áine |
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16 Dec 01 - 08:51 AM (#610925) Subject: RE: Help: Gaelic pronunciation help, please From: Fiolar Aine: I recall when I sat my Inter Cert more years ago than I care to remember that the Irish paper for that year contained an extract from a book by Seamus O Grianna better known as "Maire." It was in Donegal Irish and to us poor Munster people seemed almost incomprehensible. Luckily we did make some headway in it, but I think that there were questions asked in the Dail later about the reason for it. Nollaig Faoi Mhaise Dhuit. |
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16 Dec 01 - 04:46 PM (#611169) Subject: RE: Help: Gaelic pronunciation help, please From: GUEST,Keltes I speak Munster dialect and Nollaig Shona is promounced Null-ig hunna and dhuit would sound as gwit. That is as near as I can get it for you, as you would really have to hear it spoken . I will be at the following E-Mail address for the next thirty six hours only( as I am leaving for Ireland !), so If you want to hear it spoken in my dialect e-mail me and let me have your tel nr and I will ring you and let you hear what it sounds like: kennedytruscott@btinternet.com Dont worry I'm a 54 year old female and I am seriously NOT into any smutty stuff, so it is safe to contact me. Good luck and best wishes for Christmas. Keltes. |