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05 May 02 - 06:28 AM (#704646) Subject: Does any one know this song? From: GUEST,ernie Does anyone know this folk song? probably from the british isles. G F# E D E D C B C B A D D B
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05 May 02 - 06:52 AM (#704648) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Does any one know this song? From: DMcG Sounds like the Catholic Hymn "Tantum Ergo"
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05 May 02 - 09:11 AM (#704688) Subject: G F# E D E D C B C B A D D B : what song From: GUEST |
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05 May 02 - 10:22 AM (#704711) Subject: RE: G F# E D E D C B C B A D D B : what song From: Amos Without timing it's awful hard to answer -- sounds a little like a phrase from Land of Hope and Glory, eckshually, eh?
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05 May 02 - 10:25 AM (#704713) Subject: RE: G F# E D E D C B C B A D D B : what song From: CapriUni Where did you find this, Guest? What's the context? Maybe that will help find the answer. |
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05 May 02 - 11:06 AM (#704731) Subject: RE: G F# E D E D C B C B A D D B : what song From: Willie-O Played in straight time, the G F# E D E D C B C B phrase is part of "Sailor's Hornpipe" (towards the end of the A part) The last four notes however don't fit or approximate that tune. So, uh? Where is this coming from? Willie-O |
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05 May 02 - 01:36 PM (#704791) Subject: RE: G F# E D E D C B C B A D D B : what song From: McGrath of Harlow It is surely only part of a tune - it can't end on that B. |
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05 May 02 - 01:48 PM (#704794) Subject: RE: G F# E D E D C B C B A D D B : what song From: Willie-O I must add that honourable Guest has set a new standard for brevity in opening posts, and right-to-the-pointness (?) in thread titling... Come on back, give us another line to work with...or a clue or somepin. Tune? Song? Nationality? Time signature? Got me all curious now. Who stole from Sailor's Hornpipe? W-O |
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05 May 02 - 03:33 PM (#704840) Subject: RE: G F# E D E D C B C B A D D B : what song From: C-flat The line makes musical sense in 3/4 time but I don't recognise it. Using the G and Fsharp to bring in the E as the first beat then using the same pattern through the line, makes a workable melody. |
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05 May 02 - 04:35 PM (#704878) Subject: RE: G F# E D E D C B C B A D D B : what song From: greg stephens There's agreat book whose name I cant remember that lists all known (well, nearly, mostly classical) melodies in this format in alphabetical order, all transposed to keynote C.So that you can lookup sources of tunes. Would be very handy for fealing with this qyuery. I'm flummoxed, anway. Cant help feeling it will become obvious if we were given a bit of rhythm. |
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05 May 02 - 07:14 PM (#704962) Subject: RE: G F# E D E D C B C B A D D B : what song From: Amos This is apparently a slightly more sophisticated than usual troll. Does anyone know the words of the song that starts "When I...." ??? I think it's about a girl, or maybe a boy.... **bg** A |
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05 May 02 - 07:20 PM (#704963) Subject: RE: G F# E D E D C B C B A D D B : what song From: Jon Freeman It's interesting whatever. Like Willie-O, I find most of it is part of the Sailors Hornpipe but the last few notes are wrong. I wonder what, if anything, it will turn out to be if we know the length of the notes. Jon |
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05 May 02 - 07:44 PM (#704968) Subject: RE: G F# E D E D C B C B A D D B : what song From: Sorcha I didn't even hear Sailor's Hornpipe, playing it as given....that is, with the abc "case indicative"....... |
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05 May 02 - 07:47 PM (#704970) Subject: RE: G F# E D E D C B C B A D D B : what song From: McGrath of Harlow I wouldn't call that a troll. Maybe an imp. |
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05 May 02 - 08:37 PM (#704998) Subject: RE: G F# E D E D C B C B A D D B : what song From: Jeri I don't think anybody's going to do any major flaming over this. This version of A-Beggin' I Will Go has something similar near the end. |
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05 May 02 - 08:49 PM (#705004) Subject: RE: G F# E D E D C B C B A D D B : what song From: Big Mick If this is a troll, I like it! I am monkeying around with my my collection trying to find it! Mick |
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05 May 02 - 09:45 PM (#705026) Subject: RE: G F# E D E D C B C B A D D B : what song From: Hrothgar There are two songs like that, Amos. Which one do you mean? :-) |
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05 May 02 - 11:48 PM (#705051) Subject: RE: G F# E D E D C B C B A D D B : what song From: van lingle Sounds like one of Nirvana's tunes. |
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06 May 02 - 12:53 AM (#705070) Subject: RE: G F# E D E D C B C B A D D B : what song From: Amos Hroth: I think it was the other one... A |
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06 May 02 - 06:30 AM (#705119) Subject: RE: G F# E D E D C B C B A D D B : what song From: Jeanie Maybe this question is a Cunning Plan to anonymously pass on an encoded message, rather like those obscure notices that sometimes appear in the personal column of "The Times".... |
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06 May 02 - 06:35 AM (#705122) Subject: RE: G F# E D E D C B C B A D D B : what song From: DMcG I reckon its a musical form of the Rorschach Inkblot Tests, myself. Let's see now
Myself - Old Hymn Verry interesting. Now, What do you see in this one .... |
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06 May 02 - 08:08 AM (#705149) Subject: RE: G F# E D E D C B C B A D D B : what song From: okthen This hasn't got anything to do with Elgar has it? |
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06 May 02 - 09:25 AM (#705187) Subject: RE: G F# E D E D C B C B A D D B : what song From: GUEST,Ernie Pretty desperate to find this ditty which my late mother (who died six months ago of colon cancer) used to sing to me when I was a kid. first line : numbers = beats second line : notes are assigned to each beat. third line :H/L below each note indicates if the note is higher or lower in pitch than the previous one (A bit tough putting this out without the five lines format eh?) really appreciate all of your interest in this. It's a personal quest. And no. It isn;t a message from one CIA operative to another. 4/4 time
1 2 3 4 1 2 3 4 1 2 3 4 Added pre-format tags and line breaks so this would show up as typed. --JoeClone
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06 May 02 - 09:40 AM (#705194) Subject: RE: G F# E D E D C B C B A D D B : what song From: greg stephens Jesus, it's getting worse. Anybody got one of those Enigma machines we could put this through? |
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06 May 02 - 09:42 AM (#705195) Subject: RE: G F# E D E D C B C B A D D B : what song From: greg stephens Ernie: more help needed. The numbers and notes dont seem to match up. Do letters close together mean the notes are twice as fast? |
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06 May 02 - 09:52 AM (#705199) Subject: RE: G F# E D E D C B C B A D D B : what song From: DMcG Didn't Elgar have one of them there Enigmas? |
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06 May 02 - 10:05 AM (#705203) Subject: RE: G F# E D E D C B C B A D D B : what song From: Sorcha Ernie, I suggest that you go here--Click and learn to use the abc format for music. It really isn't that hard to learn. The note lengths(time value), register (higher/lower) are included in the format. Quite a few of us can use and translate it and it would give you a better shot at identifying your tune. |
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06 May 02 - 10:17 AM (#705210) Subject: RE: G F# E D E D C B C B A D D B : what song From: greg stephens Learning all the intricacies of abc notation might be unnecessarily sophisticated. Just put a barline/ in before the first note of each group of four beats.put a dot after every note that lasts a whole beat. No dot after a note that lasts a half beat. That will do fine. I'll put a guess in here.It bears little or no resemblance to the tune I know for "Going to the garden to eat worms" but I just wonder if this might be another tune for the same words? |
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06 May 02 - 10:37 AM (#705221) Subject: RE: G F# E D E D C B C B A D D B : what song From: Barbara Shaw Ernie, I put the notes into my MusicTime program and it works as you've described it. Unfortunately, however, I don't recognize the melody. Do you have any of the words to help us along? |
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06 May 02 - 10:42 AM (#705224) Subject: RE: G F# E D E D C B C B A D D B : what song From: DMcG Barbara: If you export from MusicTime as MIDI or ABC and post it here, we can have another try. |
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06 May 02 - 10:43 AM (#705225) Subject: RE: G F# E D E D C B C B A D D B : what song From: greg stephens abc please, we cant all get midi |
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06 May 02 - 10:52 AM (#705230) Subject: RE: G F# E D E D C B C B A D D B : what song From: Barbara Shaw Arrrgh! I never learned how to use ABC! How would I post a midi file here? |
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06 May 02 - 10:56 AM (#705232) Subject: RE: G F# E D E D C B C B A D D B : what song From: greg stephens Trouble is, if we get Barbara Shaw's version, we will only have her interpretation of what Ernie means. May be even more confusing! |
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06 May 02 - 11:01 AM (#705233) Subject: RE: G F# E D E D C B C B A D D B : what song From: GUEST,ernie Let's try this again:(lower case is higher octave) (4/4) g1/4 f#1/8 e1/8 d1/2 | e1/4 d1/8 c1/8 B1/2 | c1/4 B1/8 A1/8 d1/4 d1/4 | B1 | d1/4 e1/8 f1/8 e1/2 | e1/4 f#1/8 g1/8 f#1/2 | a1/4 g1/8 f#1/8 e1/8 d1/8 d1/8 g1/8 | f#1/4 e1/4 d1/2 | |
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06 May 02 - 11:13 AM (#705237) Subject: RE: G F# E D E D C B C B A D D B : what song From: greg stephens Brilliant Ernie. All adds up.perfectly coherent piece of music. Unfortunately, I'm sure I've never heard it in my life! |
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06 May 02 - 11:14 AM (#705238) Subject: RE: G F# E D E D C B C B A D D B : what song From: sophocleese Thanks ernie for putting it into a more useful fashion. I still don't know it but have a better idea of what I'm looking for. Hope someone figures it out for you. |
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06 May 02 - 11:34 AM (#705248) Subject: RE: G F# E D E D C B C B A D D B : what song From: Barbara Shaw O.K. now it sounds VERY FAMILIAR, but I still can't identify it! Someone tell me how to post a midi file. |
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06 May 02 - 11:51 AM (#705253) Subject: RE: G F# E D E D C B C B A D D B : what song From: DMcG Barbara follow this link to get the MUDCAT-approved (!) MIDI to ABC conversion & posting tools |
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06 May 02 - 11:52 AM (#705254) Subject: RE: G F# E D E D C B C B A D D B : what song From: DMcG Try again! Is it here? If not, the non-clickable version is http://miditext.8m.net/miditext.html |
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06 May 02 - 11:55 AM (#705257) Subject: RE: G F# E D E D C B C B A D D B : what song From: Barbara Shaw I thought there was a way to just post a clickable midi. Here's the midi I put into MusicTime, converted to text and abc format - remembered that I had this program, but haven't used it in a few years! MIDI file: melody.mid Timebase: 240 TimeSig: 4/4 24 8
This program is worth the effort of learning it. To download the March 10 MIDItext 98 software and get instructions on how to use it click here ABC format: X:1
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06 May 02 - 12:13 PM (#705267) Subject: RE: G F# E D E D C B C B A D D B : what song From: SharonA Ernie: The version you posted on 06-May-02 - 11:01 AM is brilliant; very easy to understand. A further question: What key is it in? G? D? A minor key? Also: in the beginning of the third line (d1/4 e1/8 f1/8 e1/2 | e1/4 f#1/8 g1/8 f#1/2 | ), is that third note supposed to be f-natural as written, or f#? |
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06 May 02 - 12:21 PM (#705274) Subject: RE: G F# E D E D C B C B A D D B : what song From: Sorcha I think it's a hymn........... |
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06 May 02 - 12:26 PM (#705275) Subject: RE: G F# E D E D C B C B A D D B : what song From: SharonA By the way, Ernie, I'm sorry to hear about your mother's passing. I hope that remembering this tune, and finding out more about it, keeps her close in your thoughts. |
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06 May 02 - 01:28 PM (#705311) Subject: RE: G F# E D E D C B C B A D D B : what song From: Sorcha This may not be it, but it's awfully close to "I Would Be True". |
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06 May 02 - 04:15 PM (#705431) Subject: RE: G F# E D E D C B C B A D D B : what song From: GUEST,vissjoy@superiway.net Is it "Caro mio Ben?" |
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06 May 02 - 05:51 PM (#705496) Subject: RE: G F# E D E D C B C B A D D B : what song From: Sorcha It darn sure could be, click here for sheet music and sound file for Caro Mio Ben. Because of a wrong date setting on a Mudcat server, this message may appear out of order. It was actually posted on 6-May, not 5-May. --JoeClone, 7-May-02. |
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06 May 02 - 07:19 PM (#705567) Subject: RE: G F# E D E D C B C B A D D B : what song From: Sorcha (This is a repeat post, so please excuse if it shows up twice) It certainly could be. Sheet music and sound file here. |
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06 May 02 - 07:35 PM (#705574) Subject: RE: G F# E D E D C B C B A D D B : what song From: McGrath of Harlow No recollection whatsoever of any of the words? |
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06 May 02 - 07:45 PM (#705578) Subject: RE: G F# E D E D C B C B A D D B : what song From: Barbara Shaw I guess we'll have to hear from Ernie. The first two measures of the melody are the same, but then it differs from "Caro Mio Ben." By the way, I've been humming this thing ALL DAY!! Someone tell me what the heck I'm humming . . . |
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06 May 02 - 07:59 PM (#705583) Subject: RE: G F# E D E D C B C B A D D B : what song From: sophocleese Well my husband tells me, along with several others here, that the first two lines are Caro Mio Ben. He also tells me that I sang it a few years ago. I can't remember singing it but at the moment I am desperate for sleep so I could be wrong or he's thinking of another woman. Anyway here are the words to Caro Mio Ben. Perhaps some other song borrowed the first two lines. by Giuseppe Giordani* (1744-1798) Caro mio ben, credimi almen, senza di te languisce il cor, caro mio ben, senza di te languisce il cor. Il tuo fedel so spira ognor. Cessa, crudel, tanto rigor! Cessa, crudel, tanto rigor, tanto rigor! Caro mio ben credimi almen, senza di te languisce il cor, caro mio ben credimi almen, senza di te languisce il cor.
*There is evidence that the piece was actually composed by _Tommaso_ Giordani (no relation). A 1782 collection lists only the last name, and someone may have selected the wrong composer. |
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06 May 02 - 08:22 PM (#705594) Subject: RE: G F# E D E D C B C B A D D B : what song From: McGrath of Harlow But Caro Mio Ben is not exactly "probably from the British Isles" (that doesn't mean it mightn't be the tune - the same tunes crop up in all kinds of places, either havingh travelled or having been re-invented. |
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07 May 02 - 04:29 AM (#705759) Subject: RE: G F# E D E D C B C B A D D B : what song From: GUEST,ernie I really can't remember much except that it was something about winter and springtime or whatever. I will check up Caro Mio Ben and see. Yep, maybe the song used this tune. |
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07 May 02 - 04:45 AM (#705765) Subject: RE: G F# E D E D C B C B A D D B : what song From: GUEST,ernie Hi everybody! Yes! it is Caro Mio Ben!!! The second part of the tune I posted actually occurs quite a few bars down, and not exactly as I put it. There must be an english version to the song somewhere. Thank you all a million! brilliant! ernie |
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07 May 02 - 05:20 AM (#705774) Subject: RE: G F# E D E D C B C B A D D B : what song From: Scabby Douglas Thank God for that! Can anyone think of one other place where so many people would put so much effort into finding the source of a tune? I raise a (virtual) glass to the Mudcat and the Mudcatters. Well done for this and so many earlier quests, and for all the questions that will be answered in the future... Here's to the Mudcat.
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07 May 02 - 06:25 AM (#705799) Subject: RE: G F# E D E D C B C B A D D B : what song From: McGrath of Harlow Here's a midi I found of Caro Mio Ben.
It sounds familiar, but I can't think of a song in with the tune from the British Isles. So the hunt isn't quite over yet. |
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07 May 02 - 06:54 AM (#705814) Subject: RE: G F# E D E D C B C B A D D B : what song From: GUEST Jeez, McGrath He only said probably from the British Isles His memory was mistaken. Never happened to you, eh? |
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07 May 02 - 07:17 AM (#705823) Subject: RE: G F# E D E D C B C B A D D B : what song From: GUEST,ernie On one site, it said the song was also called "come once again", but no english lyrics given, only the italian ones. |
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07 May 02 - 07:24 AM (#705827) Subject: RE: G F# E D E D C B C B A D D B : what song From: Peter K (Fionn) I had no trouble with Ernie's ingenious post of 9.25am May 6 (maybe those who did were trying before JoeClone cleaned it up); knew the tune; realised two sections had been elided, and (eventually) pinned it down to Caro Mio Ben. Only to find you lot had already sorted it out, you utter bastards.... |
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07 May 02 - 07:40 AM (#705836) Subject: RE: G F# E D E D C B C B A D D B : what song From: McGrath of Harlow Well here's a fairly literal translation I found of the song. But I suspect there's a more singable set of words to the tune somewhere which Ernie's mother would have been singing.
Caro mio ben, |
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07 May 02 - 08:44 AM (#705853) Subject: RE: G F# E D E D C B C B A D D B : what song From: Barbara Shaw Interesting thing happened after playing the music with Sibelius, using Sorcha's link. My midi files all played thereafter in a voice-like falsetto - like the vocal line from the music. I had to go back into MusicTime and change the midi settings to get things back to normal in my other midi files. What's this about? How do you change the midi defaults without something like MusicTime? C'mon mudcats, it aint over yet. Another small comment, the first two measures of this mystery melody are also in the song "We Shall Overcome." The words are something like "deep in my heart, I know it's true . . ." |
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07 May 02 - 09:11 AM (#705868) Subject: RE: G F# E D E D C B C B A D D B : what song From: Malcolm Douglas If your midis don't specify a particular voice, your sound card will probably use the "last heard" preset as its default until another midi with a specified voice is played, so playing one with a voice you actually like would sort the problem in the short term. Re-starting the computer probably achieves a return to the usual piano default voice; I don't remember at present. If you have midi-editing software, you can tell your own files what voice to use, and they then won't be affected by other files played; you do have to change each file individually, though. |
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07 May 02 - 02:10 PM (#706051) Subject: RE: G F# E D E D C B C B A D D B : what song From: Barbara Shaw Thanks, Malcolm. |
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07 May 02 - 04:49 PM (#706197) Subject: RE: G F# E D E D C B C B A D D B : what song From: Willa Caro mio ben (My dear beloved) Text by Anonymous Set by Giuseppe Giordani (Giordanello) (1751-1798). Arietta. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Caro mio ben, My dear beloved, credimi almen, believe me at least, senza di te languisce il cor. without you my heart languishes. Il tuo fedel Your faithful one sospira ognor. always sighs; Cessa, crudel, cease, cruel one, tanto rigor! so much punishment!
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Translation to English by John Glenn Paton Back to the Lied and Song Texts Page |
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07 May 02 - 05:32 PM (#706239) Subject: RE: G F# E D E D C B C B A D D B : what song From: Sorcha I found that too, Willa but it's only one verse. (This was fun, can we do it again?) |
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08 May 02 - 02:02 AM (#706503) Subject: RE: G F# E D E D C B C B A D D B : what song From: GUEST,Pavane at work RE MIDI file defaults. Well-written MIDI files should contain a 'GM RESET' command at the start. Unfortunately, most amateur files don't, and then they will pick up any settings left over from the last file played. One of my handy MIDI Utility programs, MIDIFIX, allows you to add a GM reset to an existing MIDI file (It also lets you edit global settings such as volume and Pan for each channel). HARMONY always puts GM Reset into any MIDI file it creates).
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