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06 Jun 02 - 04:31 PM (#724679) Subject: Need help w/chords: Big Time Woman From: Mudlark This seems like such a simple song, but I can't seem to find the right chords for the bridge...or whatever you call the place in the middle where the tune changes (Oh the way she treats those NY Men, etc.) Mea culpa if it's someplace simple...I spent good Mudcat time searching for chords last night, to no avail. |
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06 Jun 02 - 08:16 PM (#724830) Subject: RE: Need help w/chords: Big Time Woman From: harpgirl I think it modulates, Mudlark... |
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07 Jun 02 - 12:27 AM (#724966) Subject: RE: Need help w/chords: Big Time Woman From: Mudlark "...it modulates, Mudlark." Love the alliteration, Harpgirl, but haven't a clue as to what that means...self-taught porch picker here, just hacking around trying to figure out something that sounds right! The first part works well with A...B7...E(7)...but after that I get lost...and as you might expect (given my teacher), my repertoire of chords is limited. |
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08 Jun 02 - 05:40 PM (#726170) Subject: RE: Need help w/chords: Big Time Woman From: Sorcha refresh |
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08 Jun 02 - 06:05 PM (#726174) Subject: RE: Need help w/chords: Big Time Woman From: Noreen Saying it modulates just means that it goes into a different key- which I think you'd already worked out for yourself! Couldn't find any chords on Google, sorry, and I don't know the song or I'd have a go for you. Noreen |
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08 Jun 02 - 06:08 PM (#726176) Subject: RE: Need help w/chords: Big Time Woman From: GUEST,bubbajo try a search at http://www.roughstock.com/cowpie/songsnf.html |
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08 Jun 02 - 06:19 PM (#726184) Subject: RE: Need help w/chords: Big Time Woman From: harpgirl ...listen to Leon Redbone's version here, Mudlark, if you haven't already. I've always sung it but when I get a chance, I'll sit down and see if I can figure it out on guitar. But some wizard should be able to do it faster.... http://music.deadbeatclub.com/country.htm |
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08 Jun 02 - 06:34 PM (#726193) Subject: RE: Need help w/chords: Big Time Woman From: GUEST Listening to harpgirl's link, it just goes to the relative minor. i.e. instead of 'A' (as you play it) go to F#m |
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08 Jun 02 - 06:54 PM (#726209) Subject: Lyr Add: BIG TIME WOMAN FROM WAY OUT WEST (Crowley From: Mudlark Thanks, everybody...will try F#m. Harpgirl...so THAT's what modulation means! Lots of great sounding titles, Bubbajo, at the link, even if I couldn't find BTW. I'm including words here, as it isn't in the directory...
BIG TIME WOMAN FROM WAY OUT WEST, Wilton Crowley
Who's that woman with a sparkling dress,
Automobiles, a cozy home
Oh, the way she treats those New York men
Every fella has a winning smile |
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08 Jun 02 - 07:23 PM (#726229) Subject: RE: Need help w/chords: Big Time Woman From: Noreen It's not the relative minor, Guest, it modulates into another major key. I've worked out the progressions played on the recording linked to by Harpgirl, which goes as follows: F...G...C...F // A(7)...D...G...C(7) I'm having a bit more trouble transposing that into A, but I'll do it if no-one gets there before me. |
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08 Jun 02 - 07:29 PM (#726235) Subject: RE: Need help w/chords: Big Time Woman From: Noreen Done it: A...B...E...A // C#...F#...B...E (I'd worked it out to be that, theoretically, but was playing the wrong notes so it didn't sound right!) Why does it remind me of George Formby's When I'm Cleaning Windows?!) |
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09 Jun 02 - 02:56 AM (#726383) Subject: RE: Need help w/chords: Big Time Woman From: Mudlark Noreen...thanks a lot for working on this. Oddly enough I can almost make the FGCF version work at the bridge, altho it doesn't quite sound right to me thru the "...all over again" part, but the ABEA version doesn't seem to work at all for me, except at a stretch the C#. I'll have to go back and listen to the recrd again, I guess...maybe I've been singing it wrong all these years... And if the FGCF transposes correctly to ABEA, why doesn't the A7/D/G/C7 transpose to C7/F/B/E7? Prob'ly getting in over my head here, as I know nothing about music theory, so just ignore me...and thanks again for the chords. |
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09 Jun 02 - 06:44 AM (#726451) Subject: RE: Need help w/chords: Big Time Woman From: Noreen You're very welcome, Mudlark. You're right, more correctly I should have transposed to the 7ths, so the final version is as follows: A...B...E...A // C#(7)...F#...B...E(7)As to why the A transposes to C# rather than to C, and the D to F# rather than F; give me a minute to phrase it comprehensibly... |
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09 Jun 02 - 07:38 AM (#726465) Subject: RE: Need help w/chords: Big Time Woman From: Noreen Hope this makes sense to you: Transposing from F to A takes you up four semitones, so everything else has to go up four semitones too. A to C is only 3 semitones, because there is only a semitone between B and C (no black note on the keyboard in between them), so go up another semitone to get to C#. Likewise there is only a semitone between E and F, so D to F is only 3 semitones: go up another semitone to get to F#. (I'd rather be explaining this with a keyboard in front of me- apologies if it doesn't come across well.) Noreen |
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09 Jun 02 - 09:14 AM (#726493) Subject: RE: Need help w/chords: Big Time Woman From: harpgirl ...Lancashire lass/wizard nails it! Now I can play and sing it too. Thanks Noreen...hg |
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09 Jun 02 - 04:22 PM (#726693) Subject: RE: Need help w/chords: Big Time Woman From: Mudlark Thanks again, Noreen, for the explanation. I did take piano as a child, so understand the black key references and it makes perfect sense. Now if only I could PLAY those sharped chords! Obviously I need to take lessons frm you and Harpgirl....(vamping until guitar playing improves...) |
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09 Jun 02 - 09:42 PM (#726837) Subject: RE: Need help w/chords: Big Time Woman From: Noreen You're welcome, both :0) |
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29 Jun 10 - 05:55 PM (#2936876) Subject: RE: Chords Req: Big Time Woman from Way Out West From: GUEST,Clarinet man in Colorado It's the same bridge as a zillion other songs - III7 2 bars, VI7 2 bars, II7 2 bars, V7 2 bars. All the chords a major, plain old 7th chords. |