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Help: buying a guitar

01 Jul 02 - 01:21 AM (#740016)
Subject: buying a guitar
From: GUEST,life

Anybody know anything about Mansfield Guitars? I am thinking of buying one and I'd like to know more about them, what would be a fair price etc. thanks ps the model that I am looking at is an MF 410


01 Jul 02 - 01:43 AM (#740021)
Subject: RE: Help: buying a guitar
From: Steve Latimer

I don't know about Mansfield Guitars, but I had a Mansfield banjo. It was pretty well constructed and sounded quite good for an inexpensive intrument. I had never heard of any other Mansfield products though.


30 Apr 10 - 12:54 PM (#2897372)
Subject: RE: Help: buying a guitar
From: Richard Bridge

Guitars should be bought blindfold.


30 Apr 10 - 01:26 PM (#2897387)
Subject: RE: Help: buying a guitar
From: Little Hawk

If you can, Guest, find an experienced acoustic guitar player to go with you, play the instrument, and give you his or her opinion of it. Nothing else counts like experience.

The "blindfold" method would work great if we were only after sound, Richard. ;-) I always want 3 things in a guitar:

1. the right sound!
2. the right ergonomic feel (neck setup, action, etc)
3. I like it to also look good!

If I can't find those 3 things in combination, I don't buy it. If I find it ugly looking or just not that inspiring, I don't care how good it sounds....with patience, I can always find a really good looking guitar that sounds equally good as the "ugly" one does, and I'll enjoy it much more that way.

Along that line...I've played the odd Gibson which was pretty darned good in terms of how it sounded, but I just don't like the way they look at all. As for Ovation, those things are really good for changing the oil on your car...you just remove the plastic back and use it as an oil pan. The rest of the instrument you can use as kindling, I suppose... (grin)


30 Apr 10 - 01:31 PM (#2897392)
Subject: RE: Help: buying a guitar
From: Richard in Manchester

My view too, Richard. Nothing more satisfying than clattering around a smart guitar shop blindfold.


30 Apr 10 - 01:40 PM (#2897399)
Subject: RE: Help: buying a guitar
From: Little Hawk

Okay, here's how I figure it. Do the blindfold test first. It could be quite enlightening.

Have your assistant note which guitars you prefer according to the blindfold test. Have him them aside after determining the order of preference.

Now take off the blindfold and look at those guitars. Play them all again and compare. See what you think.

That settles the "sound" and "feel" issues pretty well, and you can then get on with with determining which one you would actually like to buy. I bet it won't be the one with a painted Elvis standing on a beach in Hawaii proudly displayed on its soundboard!

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Along the same lines, would you pick your future wife or your next girlfriend...or for that matter, the next car you buy, strictly according to a "blindfold" test? I don't think so!!! ;-) Appearance matters.


30 Apr 10 - 02:28 PM (#2897436)
Subject: RE: Help: buying a guitar
From: GUEST,The Smiler

>Along the same lines, would you pick your future wife or your next girlfriend...or for that matter, the next car you buy, strictly according to a "blindfold" test? I don't think so!!! ;-) Appearance matters. <<

Hmm that would be interesting. Put the blindfold on, give each future wife or girlfriend a good feel all over and listen to how she sounds.

When you take the blindfolds off, repeat the exercise with the ones you like from the blindfold test.

I'll get me donnies :-)


30 Apr 10 - 02:55 PM (#2897445)
Subject: RE: Help: buying a guitar
From: lefthanded guitar

I think the blindfold test is a good one, and many people are influenced by how a guitar looks. But also important is how it feels in your hands, is the action comfortable, is it easy to play and hold?

I have to admit I am biased as to brands (and also I definitely prefer a WARM guitar over a BRIGHT one) so I think you can't go wrong with a Martin . Can't go wrong with a D28, but many of the "o" series are really FINE. A well made Gibson is also a joy.

I may get capoes thrown at me for this bias; but I don't understand the attraction of Taylors- too bright, too tinny for my tastes.

That's my 2 cents and I'm stickin' to it.


30 Apr 10 - 03:40 PM (#2897468)
Subject: RE: Help: buying a guitar
From: Little Hawk

I getcha, lefty, but I've played a few Taylors lately which simply blew away virtually everything else in the store, most Martins included...but there are usually a couple of Martins which are at about that same level (as good as it gets). You can go wrong with a Martin. Not drastically wrong, mind you, but some of them are not very remarkable. Some Taylors are like that too, and some will be, as you say, too bright and not warm enough...

There are 3 Taylors I've played lately, though, which were just incredible...warm and bright also, loud, good right across the sonic range. The other guitars I've played in the same store which were very, very good were, again as you say...Martin D-28s. Played one Gibson which was pretty good too, and a couple of Larivees that were just fine.

I bought one of the Taylors, and remain very happy with it. I also have a Martin D-28H which I am equally happy with. They sound quite different, and they both sound great.


01 May 10 - 03:46 AM (#2897887)
Subject: RE: Help: buying a guitar
From: Tangledwood

Just wondering if OP has waited eight years before getting that guitar? :)


01 May 10 - 07:15 AM (#2897938)
Subject: RE: Help: buying a guitar
From: matt milton

Hey, I even find Martin guitars a bit too bright!

I like Gitane guitars, jazz guitars, archtops. And Gibsons.

That said, ironically, whenever I'm EQing recordings, as I'm doing right now, I end up EQing a lot of the bass out....!


01 May 10 - 11:18 AM (#2898021)
Subject: RE: Help: buying a guitar
From: GUEST,kendall

Only two things are important to me. Sound and intonation.


01 May 10 - 11:30 AM (#2898031)
Subject: RE: Help: buying a guitar
From: GUEST,punkfolkrocker

my priorities....

price

sound

playability

looks


unless its a really enticingly odd looking discarded evolutiony error
in guitar design..

then its..


looks

price

playability

sound


01 May 10 - 11:33 AM (#2898033)
Subject: RE: Help: buying a guitar
From: GUEST,punkfolkrocker

oh.. and i'm in no financial position to really ever care what name
is branded on the headstock..


01 May 10 - 03:44 PM (#2898169)
Subject: RE: Help: buying a guitar
From: Brian May

Aha, but it depends on how much you trust the shopkeeper.

You do a great blindfold test . . . .

You choose the best instrument in terms of comfort and sound . . .

They are placed in the order you chose (so you can then unmask and assess looks) . . .

Before you get the blindfold off, the salesman has 'snuck' the Martin HD35 to the head of the queue . . .

Simples   ;o)

That's probably how I ended up with two Martins


01 May 10 - 06:27 PM (#2898244)
Subject: RE: Help: buying a guitar
From: Little Hawk

You don't get the sales guy as your assistant! You bring a friend whom you can trust. ;-)