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19 Jul 02 - 05:08 PM (#751257) Subject: Alan Lomax-An Era Passes From: kytrad (Jean Ritchie) Friends in Alan Lomax's New York office called this afternoon with sad news of Alan Lomax's death at his home in Florida. It is known that his funeral will be on Tuesday, but no other details are known as yet. Tomorrow's newspapers will have more news, but I'm told that his going was rather sudden, and unexpected. We mourn our friend, a fine man and a lifelong contributor to the world of traditional folksong and folk life. |
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19 Jul 02 - 05:09 PM (#751258) Subject: RE: OBIT: Alan Lomax-An Era Passes From: CapriUni Wow...
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19 Jul 02 - 05:13 PM (#751260) Subject: RE: OBIT: Alan Lomax-An Era Passes From: Ron Olesko Our thoughts are with his daughter Anna Lomax Chairetakis and the rest of the Lomax family. We all owe Alan our gratitude for his work. He will be remembered (and thanked) by generations to come. We love you Alan. Ron |
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19 Jul 02 - 05:17 PM (#751263) Subject: RE: OBIT: Alan Lomax-An Era Passes From: Mudlark A great loss... But what a wonderful life. |
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19 Jul 02 - 05:17 PM (#751264) Subject: RE: OBIT: Alan Lomax-An Era Passes From: RolyH Alan Lomax was a catalyst of the American and British folk revivals.He will be sorely missed. |
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19 Jul 02 - 05:19 PM (#751265) Subject: RE: OBIT: Alan Lomax-An Era Passes From: RangerSteve There's a wealth of great music that he collected that, due to its lack of commercial value, wouldn't have made it to our ears if it weren't for Mr. Lomax. Thanks. |
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19 Jul 02 - 05:21 PM (#751267) Subject: RE: OBIT: Alan Lomax-An Era Passes From: Ron Olesko From www.alan-lomax.com: Alan Lomax 1915 - 2002 Alan Lomax passed away on the morning of July 19, 2002. Alan Lomax is survived by his loving daughter Anna Lomax Chairetakis of Holiday, FL; his devoted grandson Odysseus Desmond Chairetakis of Holiday, FL; his sister Bess Lomax Hawes of Northridge, CA; his step-daughter Shelley Roitman of Holiday, FL; his nephews; John Lomax III, Nicolas Hawes, John Bishop, Drew Mihalik, and his nieces; Ellen Harold, Patricia Gordon, Susan Mihalik, Naomi Bishop and Corey Dinos. Funeral Services for Alan Lomax Vinson Funeral Home 456 East Tarpon Avenue Tarpon Springs, FL 34689 Services on Tuesday July 23, 2002 Viewing from 3-5PM, Funeral Service 5-6PM In lieu of flowers the family has asked that donations be made to: The Blues Music Foundation for the Willie Moore Fund c/o Experience Music Project 2901 3rd Ave Seattle, WA 98121
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19 Jul 02 - 05:26 PM (#751268) Subject: RE: OBIT: Alan Lomax-An Era Passes From: Amos There was a man who stood head and shoulders above the rest; in some dimension, I can feel the earth trembling at his parting. May his kind come again. A |
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19 Jul 02 - 05:27 PM (#751269) Subject: RE: OBIT: Alan Lomax-An Era Passes From: Wesley S I know I'll always be thankful for his work. He sure blessed all of us while he was here. |
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19 Jul 02 - 05:29 PM (#751270) Subject: RE: OBIT: Alan Lomax-An Era Passes From: katlaughing Only two years older than my dad - what an incredible generation they shared. Dad will be sorry to hear this, as I am saddened. We do owe him a great debt for such an wonderful legacy. Thanks, Jean, for letting us know. Rest in Peace, Mr. Lomax and thanks so very much, kat & her dad, "Sparky" |
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19 Jul 02 - 05:53 PM (#751284) Subject: RE: OBIT: Alan Lomax-An Era Passes From: Amergin oh shit....wow....think i will just pull out my books tonight....thank you.. |
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19 Jul 02 - 05:53 PM (#751285) Subject: RE: OBIT: Alan Lomax-An Era Passes From: GUEST I owe him an incalcuable debt Nothing else to say, right now |
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19 Jul 02 - 06:35 PM (#751297) Subject: RE: OBIT: Alan Lomax-An Era Passes From: McGrath of Harlow When I read this thread and learned about Alan Lomax's death, I reached out and looked up to see what that other great folklorist contemporary and friend of Alan's, Hamish Henderson who died a few months ago, might have to give us. I found this in an article about another great man, Calum MacLean, with whom Alan worked and whom he greatly admired.
And here is Alan writing about Calum when he died, in words that are very applicable now:
I grieved on that day...when I heard he had gone away over the hill, but rejoice to know that he left behind so many good friends and so much fine work." And here is something from the same article, part of a translation from the Gaelic of a poem Calum's brother Sorley wrote about Calum years after his death; and this also rings a bell now:
The world is still beautiful They sensed the vehemence
The Mudcat is a good place to learn of a death like this, where there are others who understand why it matters. It's a kind of wake. |
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19 Jul 02 - 06:48 PM (#751306) Subject: RE: OBIT: Alan Lomax-An Era Passes From: greg stephens what can you say? his song collecting changed everything for me.and for all of us here, that's for sure. |
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19 Jul 02 - 07:50 PM (#751338) Subject: RE: OBIT: Alan Lomax-An Era Passes From: Tweed Very sad about this one. He surely showed us all a lot of things we'd never have gotten to see and hear otherwise. Tweed |
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19 Jul 02 - 08:08 PM (#751347) Subject: RE: OBIT: Alan Lomax-An Era Passes From: IvanB It was Alan Lomax's influence, more than any other single person, that lead me to an interest in folk music that has lasted throughout my adult life. His collecting and writing opened for me the boundless storehouse of song that exists, the volume of which still fills me with wonder over almost 40 years later. The world is certainly a lesser place today for his absence. RIP, Mr. Lomax. |
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19 Jul 02 - 08:18 PM (#751351) Subject: RE: OBIT: Alan Lomax-An Era Passes From: McGrath of Harlow A wake really ought to have a few songs. And if possible some kind of presence by the deaparted.
Here is both - contained in a link to a page on the Alan Lomax site, with a video film about a project of his called "The Amazing Global Jukebox" - and it's got Alan talking about it at the beginning and especially at the end of the clip (which klasts about ten minutes of streaming video; and there's some thought provoking stuff in between.
Incidentally, one field recording he made which we've probably all heard recently, along with a whole lot of other people who didn't think they liked folk music too much, is "Po' Lazarus" which opens "O Brother Where Art Thou." |
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19 Jul 02 - 08:24 PM (#751354) Subject: RE: OBIT: Alan Lomax-An Era Passes From: GUEST Thanks, Kevin |
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19 Jul 02 - 08:26 PM (#751356) Subject: RE: OBIT: Alan Lomax-An Era Passes From: McGrath of Harlow And from that site here is Alan's daugter expalining about the Amazing Global Jukebox:
"Lomax-Chairetakis: The Global Jukebox is a multimedia program that Alan began working on in the late '80s, and continued on until about 1994, when he had to retire. It's pretty amazing, because he put it together right at the beginning when multimedia was first getting started.
He actually brought it to a prototype phase -- it's not finished yet. It's meant to be sort of an exploratorium, that's what he called it, for people to be able to look at their music and their culture at the same time.
And [explore] their cultural ancestry through music -- and dance, as well -- through this tool. It's also a research tool.
It's pretty huge and complex. It's based on about 25 years of research that Alan and other colleagues in anthropology, musicology, linguistics, and dance did on performance styles all over the world.
They looked at different aspects of the way people make music and sing, and the way people move, and move in dance and in work, and how that relates to culture and other things.
They came up with some pretty amazing results and interesting ideas. That's all in there. Our goal is to finish it one day.
Now, wouldn't it be great if, as a thank you to Alan, that could happen? |
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19 Jul 02 - 10:00 PM (#751384) Subject: RE: OBIT: Alan Lomax-An Era Passes From: Don Firth I just heard it on NPR. The number of people who leave the kind of indelible mark on a culture that Alan Lomax has is small indeed. The effect of their work reaches on into the future, so even though they may be gone, they have attained a kind of immortality. He'll be around for a long time. Well done, Mr. Lomax. Well done indeed. Don Firth
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19 Jul 02 - 10:10 PM (#751388) Subject: RE: OBIT: Alan Lomax-An Era Passes From: DancingMom Mr. Lomax, thank you. |
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19 Jul 02 - 10:16 PM (#751392) Subject: RE: OBIT: Alan Lomax-An Era Passes From: masato sakurai When I became interested in folk music, it and his name were almost synonymous, and in part still is. A lot of my knowledge is from his writings and recordings. ~Masato |
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19 Jul 02 - 10:34 PM (#751401) Subject: RE: OBIT: Alan Lomax-An Era Passes From: Rolfyboy6 I was just a burr headed thirteen year old country boy in 1960 when I began hunting about songs. There in the libraries of those little Mississippi Valley towns were the Lomax song books. Some of them had notes on how to play the songs. It was my first school. And then I found the field recordings! Thanks Alan. You un-homogenized culture. And saved a hell of a lot of good songs. And recorded a hell of a lot of great music that "had no commercial potential." I set out good bottles of red and white wine here at the wake. Gotta go get out the books and tune up the guitar. Here's looking at you, Alan!
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19 Jul 02 - 10:59 PM (#751411) Subject: RE: OBIT: Alan Lomax-An Era Passes From: Dan Schatz I remember when I was about 8 or 9, my mother gave me a copy of Folksongs of North America. I used it well. I mangled it, in fact, as 9 year olds will do in the process of loving something. I'm on my second or third copy now, and I use it often. I hope his family are weathering the loss as well as possible, and that his death was peaceful and easeful. We are fortunate he left such a rich legacy. Dan |
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19 Jul 02 - 11:01 PM (#751413) Subject: RE: OBIT: Alan Lomax-An Era Passes From: Art Thieme Just sadness comes after hearing about the loss of the tallest tree in our forest. And though he was a singular presence, his falling makes tremendous thundering music for us all to hear every time we pick one of his collected works now available in these latter days on the many CDs of his caught songs from Rounder Records. I saw him frail and in his wheelchair in Cleveland at the Folk Alliance gathering a while ago; asked him to race me across the hotel lobby since I was in one too. He couldn't respond, but even diminished by strokes, he was a giant. He set a towering standard (along with his father) that defined what THE TRADITION was---and is. Alan Lomax and his work personified and delineated that definition of the word folksong that propels many of us here---to the consternation of modern people intent on heading into the future instead of looking to the past for lessons and inspiration. And that's great. As Joe Campbell said, "Follow your bliss." (We all will and did do that anyhow.) It's how we got from there to here-----from then to now. --------------- Just remember, any time you want to jump into a real time machine, simply use the devices that Alan Lomax has left with us. The artifacts he found on his treasure hunts can allow us to do all that and more. Now we can meet with real ghosts---and we can learn their songs too. Love to you all, Art Thieme |
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19 Jul 02 - 11:34 PM (#751426) Subject: RE: OBIT: Alan Lomax-An Era Passes From: Deckman Art ... I just want to compliment you on quite an elegant posting. Thanks, Bob |
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19 Jul 02 - 11:37 PM (#751428) Subject: RE: OBIT: Alan Lomax-An Era Passes From: katlaughing Yes, me, too. I'd been waiting to read what you'd have to say, Art. I knew your eloquence would sum it up beautifully. Thanks so much, luvyakat |
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20 Jul 02 - 12:27 AM (#751433) Subject: RE: OBIT: Alan Lomax-An Era Passes From: GUEST,adavis@truman.edu Sad day. I need to work up an obit for my site. May I quote you, Art? Adam |
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20 Jul 02 - 01:30 AM (#751441) Subject: RE: OBIT: Alan Lomax-An Era Passes From: Sandy Paton I'm grateful to McGrath of harlow for the quoted verse above. These words so well express what Alan Lomax was about: There is many a poor man... whose spirit and name you raised; you lifted the humble whom our age put aside. They gave you more than they would give to others since you gave them the zeal that was a fire beneath your kindness. The art of the common men and women of the earth, as perceived, gathered, and presented to us by Alan (and his father), has enriched our lives beyond measure. I urge you to acquire and listen to the "Deep River of Song" series of Lomax field recordings available from Rounder. For me, they encapsulate the legacy he has left to us and from which we have so much to learn. It's more than music, you know; it's about life and our respect for and understanding of our fellow creatures. Sandy |
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20 Jul 02 - 02:53 AM (#751464) Subject: RE: OBIT: Alan Lomax-An Era Passes From: GUEST,Max Low Alan Lomax saved American music. Rest in peace, Big Fella. |
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20 Jul 02 - 02:58 AM (#751466) Subject: RE: OBIT: Alan Lomax-An Era Passes From: katlaughing Beautiful, Sandy. Thank you...luvyakat |
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20 Jul 02 - 03:02 AM (#751469) Subject: RE: OBIT: Alan Lomax-An Era Passes From: Genie What a loss. What a legacy. He'll be sorely missed. Genie |
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20 Jul 02 - 03:03 AM (#751470) Subject: RE: OBIT: Alan Lomax-An Era Passes From: GUEST,andymac An era passes right enough. Along with Hamish Henderson, he helped to pass on folk music to the coming generations. The world will be a sadder place for their going, but richer for them having been here. |
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20 Jul 02 - 09:09 AM (#751562) Subject: RE: OBIT: Alan Lomax-An Era Passes From: Art Thieme Adam, certainly you may. I didn't write it I don't think. It just happened. Art |
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20 Jul 02 - 09:25 AM (#751565) Subject: RE: OBIT: Alan Lomax-An Era Passes From: GUEST,Ard Mhacha Some ten years ago, Alan Lomax featured on a BBC programme about the life of Woody Guthrie, Lomax was brilliant, he seemed to have observed every aspect of such a complicated person as Woody. A great man, God rest his Soul. Ard Mhacha. |
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20 Jul 02 - 10:36 AM (#751590) Subject: RE: OBIT: Alan Lomax-An Era Passes From: raredance Alan and his father, John, traced a line of folk music through the whole of the 20th century. What an achievement! They left us with a wealth of audio snapshots through which we can catch glimpses of our heritage. rich r |
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20 Jul 02 - 12:13 PM (#751615) Subject: RE: OBIT: Alan Lomax-An Era Passes From: Alice I was in my car listening to NPR news yesterday whan I heard this sad report. I flashed back to being a child in the early 60's and discovering my brother's big black book of Folk Songs of North America collected by Alan Lomax. As I listened to the news of his passing, I thought of all the people who were changed by his work, of all of us who were brought together in a common appreciation of this old music. The 1960 edition of the book is next to me now, well worn and falling apart. What a great life and gift to the world he was. Alice |
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20 Jul 02 - 12:17 PM (#751616) Subject: RE: OBIT: Alan Lomax-An Era Passes From: fat B****rd Thinking that only a couple of weeks ago I watched Moby on the South Bank Show and heard some of this Man's field recordings how much we owe him and his father for some incredible music. RIP Mr. Alan. |
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20 Jul 02 - 06:05 PM (#751741) Subject: RE: OBIT: Alan Lomax-An Era Passes From: DougR We had a three day Music Panel meeting in the early 70's at Berea College, and Alan Lomax was a member of the panel. He had a wonderful wit, and I enjoyed being with him, along with the other music notables very much. We had to take a bus from the nearest airport to the college, and Alan and the director of the music program at the NEA, Walter Anderson, serenaded us all the way with spirituals and folk songs. It is always sad to see someone like Alan leave us. DougR |
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21 Jul 02 - 12:41 AM (#751881) Subject: RE: OBIT: Alan Lomax-An Era Passes From: simon-pierre "The incredible thing is that when you could play this material back to people, it change everything for them. They realize that their stuff and they are as good as anybody else. Then I found out that what I was really doing - and my father was really doing - was giving an avenue to these people to express themselves and their side of the story." I've listen to these words a zillion times. They are from an interview of 1991 and opening "The Alan Lomax Collection Sampler" that I bought when it was published five years ago. That was my first encounter with the man and the beginning of a very particular and a very deep travel trough music. I could have say "american music" but the fact is that I discovered sounds that I would never approach otherwise, like or Spanish or Carribean music - I urge everyone to get his recordings of Neville "The Growling Tiger" Marcano... I'm speechless.
I remember that when I got this recordings, the first of an ever growing series, I thought that this man had the best life it is ever possible to live, travelling over the world, recording and listening to music and meeting people. SP |
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21 Jul 02 - 12:54 AM (#751889) Subject: RE: OBIT: Alan Lomax-An Era Passes From: Blackcatter I have a few wonderful recordings he made in Northern Ireland with a certain young boy named Tommy Makem sitting in with a local group of musicians in Tommy's mother's house. I'm thinking of attending the funeral. It's only a 2 hour drive from Orlando. I assume it's open if the family has given the location & time on his website. If I can make it, I'll wear my Mudcat t-shirt under my good shirt and jacket. pax yall. |
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21 Jul 02 - 04:53 AM (#751913) Subject: RE: OBIT: Alan Lomax-An Era Passes From: Greycap Allan Lomax took me by my inexperienced musical hand and led me into more green fertile pastures. An amazing feat for a man I never had the delight of meeting in person. Sleep well, go rest high on the mountain.I'm crying as I type this |
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21 Jul 02 - 07:37 AM (#751933) Subject: RE: OBIT: Alan Lomax-An Era Passes From: Deckman YEP! He had quite an influence and he was a force! Bob |
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21 Jul 02 - 01:57 PM (#752016) Subject: RE: OBIT: Alan Lomax-An Era Passes From: nickp On behalf of FOAOTMAD (Friends of American Old Time Music and Dance) here in the UK, a sad loss of an enthusiast who must be responsible for a sizeable part of the enthusiasm over here Nick Pilley (secretary) |
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21 Jul 02 - 02:27 PM (#752028) Subject: RE: OBIT: Alan Lomax-An Era Passes From: Genie On CBS Sunday Morning today they replayed an interview (with film clips) with Alan Lomax from a few years ago. He had sound/film clips of music from all over the globe, and he had apparently said that his mission was to bring the music of the world to the listening public. No, it wasn't just American folk music he collected -- not by a long shot. |
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21 Jul 02 - 03:25 PM (#752048) Subject: RE: OBIT: Alan Lomax-An Era Passes From: GUEST,Ron Olesko During my radio program, TRADITIONS - www.wfdu.fm - today at approximately 5:30pm Eastern Time, we will be joined by Peggy Seeger who will help us remember and celebrate Alan's work and life. Ron Olesko |
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21 Jul 02 - 07:57 PM (#752158) Subject: RE: OBIT: Alan Lomax-An Era Passes From: vectis I have heard some of his field recordings played by Shirley Collins. She was lucky enough to collect some songs with him many years ago. She will be very upset at this news. Like many of you I bought his books in the 70s. He and his kind saved huge chunks of our heritage just before they became lost forever. Rest in Peace Alan. |
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22 Jul 02 - 04:36 AM (#752277) Subject: Alan Lomax From: Nigel Parsons Alan Lomax, who has died aged 87, created an archive of some of the most influential American folk and blues music, and was the first to record such artists as Muddy Waters, Leadbelly and Woodie Guthrie. The pieces he collected have had an enormous influence on the development of popular music, from Bob Dylan to the dance musician Moby, whose recent album Play included three songs using Lomax's recordings. Lomax collected folk music in Spain, Italy, the Caribbean and Britain. But most of his work was done in the Deep South and West of America; the Archive of American Folk Song, which he and his father compiled for the Library of American Congress, contains 15,000 songs from all over the country. The above has been taken from a much longer article in today's Daily Telegraph 22 July 02 Nigel
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22 Jul 02 - 07:55 AM (#752315) Subject: RE: OBIT: Alan Lomax-An Era Passes From: GUEST,Philippa In another thread, Nigel Parsons gave a link to an obituary in the Daily Telegraph 22 July 2002 This is the longer thread so I am repeating the link here I read an obit. in the Observer on Sunday (UK) which was more detailed than the Telegraph article, about Lomax collecting blues, about his difficulties during the McCarthy era of persecuting artists for alleged Communist sympathies, and about his years collecting songs in the British Isles. The Observer article also referred to the NY Times obit, which I expect is available on line to those who register at the NY Times website. |
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22 Jul 02 - 08:03 AM (#752318) Subject: RE: OBIT: Alan Lomax-An Era Passes From: GUEST,Philippa more links LOMAX AS BUILDER OF FIKM ARCHIVES Observer (UK) 21 July 2002 |
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22 Jul 02 - 08:54 AM (#752337) Subject: RE: OBIT: Alan Lomax-An Era Passes From: SharonA I'm very saddened to hear this news. What a profound loss... yet what a legacy he's left us all. |
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22 Jul 02 - 09:27 AM (#752350) Subject: RE: OBIT: Alan Lomax-An Era Passes From: Peter T. There was a book written recently about the people of Ladakh (by Helena Norbert-Hodge), and in it she talked about the coming of radio to the isolated communities, and how it simultaneously cheered people up, but also made them aware for the first time of famous singers and music that was so much "better" than their own folk tunes -- so they became self conscious and ashamed of their primitivism, and they began losing their own community of song. One thing about Lomax was that he did the opposite, he championed communities of song against the selfconsciousness that someone somewhere else is making "proper, better" music; and that may have been the greatest contribution he ever made -- by showing that there were riches aplently among ordinary folk, he strengthened the idea that anyone could make music, different music, music not beholden to anyone else, and that you didn't need riches to make it, which is surely the fundamental ethos of folk music, the dream that drove everyone during the revival, and since. It is hard to comprehend the extent of what he saved, but surely it is what he and other songcatchers exemplified as the folk ethic that is the most lasting contribution. yours, Peter T. |
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22 Jul 02 - 09:33 AM (#752354) Subject: RE: OBIT: Alan Lomax-An Era Passes From: Big Mick I sat on the hill last night, letting the Low D kind of wrap itself around this man, ponder him....you know the drill. I found myself not sad at all in his passing.........that is something we all will do, and it ain't so bad. No one wants to be trapped in a falling apart house, and Alan's just wasn't doing well. I tried to play a mournful tune, but that damned ole Low D just wasn't having a bit of it. It was as if the aul whistle was telling me to get on with the tradition of celebrating what this great spirit did on its visit this time around. Yeah, this spirit, I am sure, is the one that makes its appearance just when you need it to help save the music. Which music? Whichever one needs the help. Nicely done, Mr. Lomax. Take a break now, and rest up cause we will need you again, probably sooner than later. The old whistle reminded me that the only reason I am sad is because it means that we have to take up the load for bit until he gets back. But that ain't so bad, it just means we have to play music. We can do that, my friends. We must or we don't hold up our end of the bargain. Said spirit will be back, and we want to make sure we did our part, eh? Jean, Sandy, Art...............all you who knew him well.........I am sorry that you will miss him. But you have spent your lives sharing the load, preserving the music in the same way, and this is surely a way of honoring and furthering the work he did. And just now, while he takes a break, he can look at you and what you do, and feel like it is OK to take that break, that the work is being tended to. I will bet if you listen very carefully in the night, you will even hear him whisper thanks. Wonderful job, Alan. Thanks for doing it. I will be listening for your voice in others. All the best, Mick |
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22 Jul 02 - 09:50 AM (#752363) Subject: RE: OBIT: Alan Lomax-An Era Passes From: Steve Latimer His contribution to music is incalculable. I know that most of the music that I have come to love would have been lost forever if it weren't for the vision and tireless efforts of the Lomaxes. Good-bye and thank you Alan, you'll be missed. |
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22 Jul 02 - 09:55 AM (#752366) Subject: RE: OBIT: Alan Lomax-An Era Passes From: Genie Well said, Mick. |
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22 Jul 02 - 10:00 AM (#752367) Subject: RE: OBIT: Alan Lomax-An Era Passes From: Mrrzy Very nice appreciation in this Washington Post article. We owe more than we can sing. |
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22 Jul 02 - 10:13 AM (#752376) Subject: RE: OBIT: Alan Lomax-An Era Passes From: GUEST,Very Poor Lazarus Many of the same Mudcatters who shit on Bob Dylan for his use of traditional material have come to this thread to praise Alan Lomax. Let us not forget that Lomax obtained copyrights as "composer" of thousands of traditional songs he recorded by source musicians from all over the world. James Carter, more than forty years later, thanks to the Coen Brothers, is one of the few source musicians to get his due. Let us not forget that Lomax and his father (John A.) listed themselves as co-composers of "Goodnight Irene," depriving Leadbelly's family of more than a million dollars of royalties. They made it up to Leadbelly in his lifetime, though, by letting him drive their car. They also humiliated Leadbelly by dressing him in prison stripes for concerts in front of rich, white folks.
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22 Jul 02 - 11:14 AM (#752403) Subject: RE: OBIT: Alan Lomax-An Era Passes From: catspaw49 I just spent 10 days actively avoiding the news while out camping. This is not the kind of news I wanted to hear upon returning, but everyone has a time and in this case, what a time his life was. I can only echo some of what others have said and stand in awe of the truths from Sandy, Art, McGrath, and a few others who have so eloquently written our obit here. Spaw |
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22 Jul 02 - 11:46 AM (#752421) Subject: RE: OBIT: Alan Lomax-An Era Passes From: Blackcatter Looks like I and a good friend will be going to the funeral. And no, he wasn't perfect, and he was, to some extent, a product of his times, but none of us are perfect and many of us are also a product of our times. pax yall |
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22 Jul 02 - 01:08 PM (#752482) Subject: RE: OBIT: Alan Lomax-An Era Passes From: EBarnacle1 There were giants in the earth in those days. It is good to have known some of them--and sung with them. |
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22 Jul 02 - 02:30 PM (#752526) Subject: RE: OBIT: Alan Lomax-An Era Passes From: GUEST,Very Poor Lazarus Excellent article by Dave Marsh on Alan Lomax |
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22 Jul 02 - 03:21 PM (#752553) Subject: RE: OBIT: Alan Lomax-An Era Passes From: Art Thieme Laz, Whatever. Is what is. And it just doesn't matter. Even I have done questionable things. ;-) Remember, every silver lining has a dark cloud in the middle. On we go. Art Thieme |
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22 Jul 02 - 03:31 PM (#752560) Subject: RE: OBIT: Alan Lomax-An Era Passes From: Big Mick And by the way, Laz. The proper use of the word is "shat" not "shit". Mick |
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22 Jul 02 - 04:24 PM (#752591) Subject: RE: OBIT: Alan Lomax-An Era Passes From: Mrrzy It could be Shit if it's meant in the present progressive, as in, shat and are still shitting. |
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22 Jul 02 - 06:10 PM (#752666) Subject: RE: OBIT: Alan Lomax-An Era Passes From: Big Mick Yeah...........but then I wouldn't have been able to use the word shat in a sentence............LOL. Mick |
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22 Jul 02 - 06:24 PM (#752673) Subject: RE: OBIT: Alan Lomax-An Era Passes From: McGrath of Harlow If it was meant in the present tense then I doubt if it would be generally accurate, which I took to be Big Mick's point.
Funny, when you think of it - the chances are that we've never come across the word "shat", but we all know that that's the right way of saying it, and that "shitted" wouldn't be. |
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23 Jul 02 - 01:06 AM (#752840) Subject: RE: OBIT: Alan Lomax-An Era Passes From: Blackcatter And of course, Dave Marsh has spent so much time talking about the very musicians he suggests everyone else should talk about. pax yall |
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23 Jul 02 - 12:50 PM (#753115) Subject: RE: OBIT: Alan Lomax-An Era Passes From: Steve-o "But I do hope that people understand that when Pareles says that 'Mr. Lomax wasn't interested in simply discovering stars,' part of the meaning is that he didn't want them to get in the way of his self--importance." Is that what Pareles meant, Mr. Marsh?? I didn't know you were psychic. We really need these Dave Marsh bozos to come around and remind us that great men actually weren't all that great, because they had egos and human failings! Let's all try to remember how important Dave Marsh's writings on the subject of rock 'n' roll are when it comes time for HIS obit. |
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23 Jul 02 - 06:36 PM (#753349) Subject: RE: OBIT: Alan Lomax-An Era Passes From: Bennet Zurofsky Regarding the Dave Marsh comments, please check out the other Alan Lomax thread "Alan Lomax another view," in which several of us comment upon his misplaced critique. |
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23 Jul 02 - 08:05 PM (#753404) Subject: RE: OBIT: Alan Lomax-An Era Passes From: Burke Find an excerpt of Terri Gross' 1990 Fresh Air interview with Alan Lomax HERE It was rebroadcast on yesterday's show. |
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23 Jul 02 - 09:28 PM (#753450) Subject: RE: OBIT: Alan Lomax-An Era Passes From: Art Thieme Mick---I only met him for the first time in Cleveland---or was it Memphis? Either way, it would've been fun to race him 'cross that fancy ol' hotel lobby in our wheelchairs. I would've let him win! Art |
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24 Jul 02 - 11:29 AM (#753744) Subject: RE: OBIT: Alan Lomax-An Era Passes From: Blackcatter Greetings all, My friend Chip & I attended the funeral yesterday. It was very nice and simple. A Greek Orthodox Priest officiated (Alan's son-in-law was Greek), a family friend sung a Greek lament, and then family and friends stood up to recall their experiences with Alan. We were then invited back to his daughter Anna's house for more conversation and some wnderful Greek food. Alan was layed out without a coffin and there was a guitar and a accoustic bass guitar as well as photos and press clippings from his life around his body. I had a chance to talk with his daughter and his grandson as well as a representative from the Library of Congress. The family wants to thank everone on this list for memorializing Alan. Anna said that it was wonderful that people remember the contributions of her father. That's about it. It was a beautiful and quiet day, with us just listening to his recordings on the trip over and back. We were told that there are about 70 CDs available in the new Rounder Alan Lomax collection and that another 60 or so will be released within the next 10 years. pax yall.
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24 Jul 02 - 11:43 AM (#753760) Subject: RE: OBIT: Alan Lomax-An Era Passes From: GUEST,Rex on work 'puter I am so grateful for this man's work. Saving the old songs and traditions that would otherwise been lost. Like his father before him. And Bascom Lunsford. His contribution to us is beyond price. I had hoped to meet him someday and shake his hand. Ah well, not in this world. Rex |
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24 Jul 02 - 09:55 PM (#754144) Subject: RE: OBIT: Alan Lomax-An Era Passes From: GUEST,Frogmore I hope some of you heard the NPR piece on Alan this afternoon. Around 3 PM it was on "Talk of the Nation" (TOTN) It should be available onling. |
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25 Jul 02 - 12:57 PM (#754466) Subject: RE: OBIT: Alan Lomax-An Era Passes From: Don Firth NPR's Talk of the Nation discussion of Alan Lomax can be accessed here. Three guests on the show were Nick Spitzer, Pete Seeger, and Worth Long, who co-produced a documentary with Lomax. Someone did call in near the end of the program and raise the matter of copyrights. Spitzer briefly addressed the matter. Regarding the comments of GUEST,Very Poor Lazarus and the mean-spirited article by Dave Marsh that VPL recommends, I suggest reading the comments of Bennet Zurofsky and Nerd on the "Alan Lomax: Another View" thread. I also make a few comments here. Don Firth |
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25 Jul 02 - 01:08 PM (#754472) Subject: RE: OBIT: Alan Lomax-An Era Passes From: Don Firth Sorry. The NPR link didn't take. Here it is again. Don Firth |
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25 Jul 02 - 01:39 PM (#754488) Subject: RE: OBIT: Alan Lomax-An Era Passes From: McGrath of Harlow Here is today's obituary in the Times of London.
And here is the opening:
Alan Lomax - Collector of folk and blues songs, whose recordings helped to preserve America's musical heritage. Without the enthusiasm, empathy and erudition of Alan Lomax, it is probable that much of the heritage of America's most profound vernacular music would have been irretrievably lost.
Thanks for making the effort Blackcatter - I'm glad we were represented.
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25 Jul 02 - 05:58 PM (#754615) Subject: RE: OBIT: Alan Lomax-An Era Passes From: Blackcatter You're welcome, McGrath. |
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25 Jul 02 - 09:25 PM (#754711) Subject: RE: OBIT: Alan Lomax-An Era Passes From: MAG There was another NPR bit interviewing Pete S. where he was asked about the copyright thing. His answer was, that Alan did not copyright anything until a group in England had a hit with Po' Lazarus, and the person from whom he collected it got nothing. He went home and told his people to copyright every single thing he had collected. It is also worth noting, if you can't access the TOTN piece, that it was the Foundation Alan Lomax set up for that very purpose that delivered a check for $20K to a surprised old man. His niece-in-law laughingly touched on how difficult he could be, but most of us agree I'm sure that is far outweighed by his work. |
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25 Jul 02 - 11:58 PM (#754751) Subject: RE: OBIT: Alan Lomax-An Era Passes From: GUEST,Blackcatter on Girlfriend's laptop I certainly can tell you that all that copyrighting didn't make him a wealthy man. He daughter lives in a modest 3 bedroom home in a mid-sized town 40 miles north of St. Pete, FL. pax yall |
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21 Mar 03 - 11:11 PM (#915822) Subject: RE: OBIT: Alan Lomax-An Era Passes From: Sandy Mc Lean In the past I have been very critical of anyone putting a copyright on anything that they did not compose. That being said it is my humble opinion that the Lomaxs' work , both in recording and documenting the old songs, leaves me as an admirer of their foresight in preserving what would otherwise have been lost. In that way they, along with Helen Creighton and Hamish Henderson, stand tall. I renew this thread several months after Allan's passing in order to see if there are any other comments that those who knew him may make.( after an appropriate mourning period) Mudcat is so great in that we , the great folksinger unknowns, can draw on the wisdom of the pioneers. :-} Slainte, Sandy |
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23 Mar 03 - 01:00 PM (#916540) Subject: RE: Obit: Alan Lomax-An Era Passes From: kytrad (Jean Ritchie) Sandy- It is appropriate that you have refreshed this thread now. On April 9, 11-12, there's to be a seminar in New York City, "Folk Music in the American Century", as a tribute to Alan Lomax. Sponsored jointly by City Lore; People's Poetry Gathering, The Institure for American Studies in American Music at Brooklyn College, CUNY; and The Alan Lomax Archives/Association for Cultural Equity. Registration details: continuinged@gc.cuny.edu Other general info (times & places participants, etc.) may be had from Elena Martinez:Elenamar@juno.com Also there's a nice Conference announcement at www.depthtome.brooklyn.cuny.edu. |
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23 Mar 03 - 06:20 PM (#916668) Subject: RE: Obit: Alan Lomax-An Era Passes From: Steve Latimer I'm just reading "The Land Where The Blues Began" by Lomax. Facinating. |
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23 Mar 03 - 08:13 PM (#916714) Subject: RE: Obit: Alan Lomax-An Era Passes From: Blackcatter Well, I've kept in contact with his daughter through the friend that went to his funeral with me. I've learned to have more respect for him, but that's through discussions with his daughter. IO don't really have much to add - just that she felt that he really though he was doing what was best - whether or not it really was. Check out the pretty recent thread below for other comments: Remixing Lomax Hopefully I did that right. |
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23 Mar 03 - 11:27 PM (#916766) Subject: RE: Obit: Alan Lomax-An Era Passes From: George Seto - af221@chebucto.ns.ca It's quite serendipitous. I was just reading in the Canadian Journal of Traditionial Music's special issue on Alan Lomax. Great tribute to an amazing man. |
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24 Mar 03 - 01:42 PM (#917240) Subject: RE: Obit: Alan Lomax-An Era Passes From: Tam the bam fraeSaltcoatsScotland I didn't even know that he had died until now. What a sad loss to the folk world both here and America. Tom |