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28 Jul 02 - 07:48 AM (#755873) Subject: County Characterics From: greg stephens The current "Norfolk and Good" thread led to a little muse on how some counties have acquired snappy memorable images over the centuries, by adroit PR work. Others seem to have failed completely. Cornwall: pasties. Devon: seadogs. Zummerset: zyder. Cheshire: cheese, cats. Lancashire: humour, hotpot. Yorkshire: being rude to people. Northumberland: funny accent.Cumberland:lakes/mountains.Essex:blondes , stiletto heels. But what can you say about Northamptonshire,Hampshire, Hertfordshire etc?Any others? And how about Scottish/Welsh Irish counties: do any have special characteristcs of this nature? And American states? |
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28 Jul 02 - 07:51 AM (#755874) Subject: RE: County Characterics From: greg stephens OK, characteristics if you want to be picky. changed it for ease of search |
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28 Jul 02 - 07:51 AM (#755875) Subject: RE: County Characterics From: Fiolar Regarding Irish counties - get the lyrics of the song "The 32 Counties." |
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28 Jul 02 - 10:32 AM (#755889) Subject: RE: County Characterics From: allanwill Northamptonshire's greatest claim to fame is that it is where my ancestors come from - 'nuff said! Allan |
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28 Jul 02 - 11:04 AM (#755901) Subject: RE: County Characteristics From: McGrath of Harlow Let's not get into the Essex girl jokes, please. |
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29 Jul 02 - 08:13 AM (#756314) Subject: RE: County Characteristics From: Fiolar In addtion to my posting of the above - the following are associated with Irish counties: Cork = The Rebel County; Meath = The Royal County; Kerry = The Kingdom. |
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29 Jul 02 - 07:55 PM (#756644) Subject: RE: County Characteristics From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull greg-Yorkshire peepol are not rude to peepol, if anybody thinks we are, then they can get lost.john |
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29 Jul 02 - 08:02 PM (#756648) Subject: RE: County Characteristics From: Murray MacLeod Well, in Scotland, Aberdeenshire denizens are reputed to be extremely thrifty. Harry Lauder, of course, succeeded in transferring this stereotype to the Scots in their entirety. Totally unjustifiably, IMHO ... Murray |
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30 Jul 02 - 03:22 AM (#756792) Subject: RE: County Characteristics From: GUEST,greg stephens John from hull...I wouldnt dream of accusing the delightful inhabitants of the County of the White Rose of being rude to people, I was only discussing the public image/stereotype of counties. I am sure the honest burgesses of Hull are civil, cheerful and smiling as anyone, always whistling a jaunty tune and giving each other presents. |
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30 Jul 02 - 05:21 AM (#756818) Subject: RE: County Characteristics From: GUEST,KingBrilliant Berkshire = Berkshire born & Berkshire bred strong in the arm & thick in the head. Also = Royal Berkshire. Any connection I wonder? KRis |
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30 Jul 02 - 05:37 AM (#756823) Subject: RE: County Characteristics From: GUEST,greg stephens KingBrilliant: that rhyme seems to be quite widespread. I always thought it was about Derbyshire people, then Berkshire turned up, and I have just been sent a copy of Roy Clinging's "Cheshire Born" CD and he uses it about Cheshire folk. |
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30 Jul 02 - 05:50 AM (#756827) Subject: RE: County Characteristics From: Declan In Ireland, Kerry people are supposed to be thick (if you believe that you'll believe anything!) and Cavan people are reputed to be stingy - The main road to Cavan - the nearer it gets the mainer it gets. Northside Dubliners are all loutish ruffians while south-siders are all very posh and snobbish - but only in jokes. |
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30 Jul 02 - 06:00 AM (#756831) Subject: RE: County Characteristics From: GUEST,greg stephens That's interesting about Dublin, Declan. I believe it's the same in Cork, the northern louts there are called norries I think. In London, it splits east and west. Popularly supposed to be due to historical fact that the rich always prefer to get upstream of the hoi polloi's sh*t in the river. |
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30 Jul 02 - 06:26 AM (#756834) Subject: RE: County Characteristics From: Paddy Plastique Kerry - thick ?? Not what I heard, Declan - a Corkman will rob the eye out of your head - a Kerryman'll convince ye that ye didn't need it in the first place.. Kerry propaganda, obviously.. In Paris, Greg, it used to split roughly East-West too - 'les prolos' living in the East - never thought about sewage as the reason.. |
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30 Jul 02 - 06:40 AM (#756839) Subject: RE: County Characteristics From: GUEST,greg stephens the sewage theory doesnt seem to apply to Paris:the river runs the opposite way to London,but the common folk live in the east of both cities apparently.But the argument works for Kabul, an Afghan friend told me the other day. |
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30 Jul 02 - 07:37 AM (#756850) Subject: RE: County Characteristics From: sian, west wales It's difficult to do it by county in Wales 'cause whoever's in charge of that stuff keep changing the county names and borders. But, they certainly exist for regions and 'old' counties. Cardis (from Cardiganshire - ie. Ceredigion today) are supposed to be EXTREMELY careful with their money for instance. Then there are names for the populace of certain areas, like Moch Mon (Anglesey Pigs), The Down Belows (for people in south Pembrokeshire), Swansea Jacks (suave b*st*rds supposedly), St Peters Boys are from Carmarthen Town, Cofis from Caernarfon, etc. sian |
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30 Jul 02 - 10:15 AM (#756909) Subject: RE: County Characteristics From: Pied Piper In the rhyme mentioned above I think the original word was not thick but "wick" related to "quick" meaning fast in the mental sense. I think the rhyme went from "wick" to "week" and to "thick" by association. This reverses the meaning, and makes it much more likely that people would use it about themselves. PP |
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30 Jul 02 - 10:36 AM (#756919) Subject: RE: County Characteristics From: Snuffy Air pollution rather than river pollution makes the East End of cities less desirable. At least it does in areas where the prevailing winds are westerly or southwesterly, such as Northern Europe. WassaiL! V |
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30 Jul 02 - 12:06 PM (#756972) Subject: RE: County Characteristics From: GUEST,JTT The thick Kerry thing is modern; when I was growing up (some time around the paleolithic era), we said "cute as a Kerryman" - "cute" in Ireland meaning unpleasantly shrewd and cunning; there was another saying, that "A Corkman is a Kerryman with brains". Cavan people - or Cyaaavan people, as they'd pronounce it themselves - are supposedly mean, all right; Northern people generally are supposedly hard-natured and gritty. Wicklow ("Wickalla") people are disliked by all Dubliners, traditionally - in fact, by every county - which could possibly be explained by the fact that they used to have a habit of coming down out of the hills and slaughtering the Dubs. Connemara mountainy men are supposed to be wild but loving. Waterford men ditto. But midlanders in general are seen as dull and stodgy, especially those from Mullingar: "Mullingar heifers, beef to the heels". |
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30 Jul 02 - 01:26 PM (#757021) Subject: RE: County Characteristics From: GUEST,Ard Mhacha Northern people straight and generous, no cap tippers up here. Armagh=The Orchard County, Down = The Mourne County, Fermanagh=The Erne County, Antrim = The Glensmen, Derry = The Oakleaf County, Tyrone=The Red-Hand County, Monaghan=The Farneymen, Cavan= The Lake County Donegal = The Tir Chonail Men. And there are the magnificent nine counties of Ulster. Ard Mhacha. |
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30 Jul 02 - 04:16 PM (#757113) Subject: RE: County Characteristics From: Catherine Jayne I'm a Yorkshire Lass, with a northern accent, living in the South. I went into the job centre and and was enquiring about something and the man sat at the desk just stared at me and pointed out the blantently obvious "You're not from round here are you?" I had to chuckle as the area is very much multi-cultural and I am sure I am not the only person he has met who is not originally from the area! Cat |
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30 Jul 02 - 06:45 PM (#757180) Subject: RE: County Characteristics From: Morticia Surrey.....mock tudor beams, people in puffa jackets braying loudly at one another on a Sunday lunchtime in the pub, gardens planted in pastry cutter shapes with a lot of that dreadful grassy stuff ( pampas, I think),people who work in the 'City', educate their children privately,own ponies and horses they can't be bothered to exercise and drive range rovers or land rovers in the city to 'prove' they live in a rural community...not that there really are any in Surrey any more.Sorry, is my prejudice showing *BG*? |
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30 Jul 02 - 06:49 PM (#757182) Subject: RE: County Characteristics From: GUEST,greg stephens Not quite as pithy as "Cornwall:pasties". But it'll do, Morticia, it'll do. |
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30 Jul 02 - 06:53 PM (#757187) Subject: RE: County Characteristics From: Gareth No Morticia. not prejudice - observation !! Mind you the same comments were made by John Betjman in his poem " Come friendly Bombs and fall on Slough", I'll dig the words out unless some talented (and cynical) Catter can post a "blicky" first. Gareth |
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30 Jul 02 - 07:16 PM (#757202) Subject: RE: County Characteristics From: Gareth Come Friendly Bombs Gareth |
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30 Jul 02 - 07:23 PM (#757210) Subject: RE: County Characteristics From: McGrath of Harlow Of course in Hertford, Hereford and Hampshire, hurricanes hardly ever happen.
And in London it's not just East versus West. North London people have always tended to look a bit down on South of the river. Not really London. That applies in the poorer parts of North London too.
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31 Jul 02 - 05:55 PM (#757727) Subject: RE: County Characteristics From: Michael Then there's Lincolnshire Yellowbellies, named, so my Granny said, (and she was one of them) after the yellow bellied frogs that lived in the Fens long before people did. |
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31 Jul 02 - 08:34 PM (#757813) Subject: RE: County Characteristics From: McGrath of Harlow Wexford Yellowbellies too. |
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01 Aug 02 - 08:24 AM (#758044) Subject: RE: County Characteristics From: Pied Piper Extending this slightly, people from Wigan are known locally as "Pie Eaters" and those from Westhorton as "Cie Heads" Cie being the old plural of Cow. All the best PP. |
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01 Aug 02 - 08:39 AM (#758046) Subject: RE: County Characteristics From: Fiolar In most of Ireland, (except perhaps Dublin) Dubliners are known as "Jackeens." |
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01 Aug 02 - 08:57 AM (#758054) Subject: RE: County Characteristics From: IanC PP Kye is the singular of Cow. Kine is the plural (see your King James bible). :-) |
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01 Aug 02 - 02:43 PM (#758271) Subject: RE: County Characteristics From: Les from Hull Yorkshiremen (and women) are known as 'tykes'. No, I don't know why either! |
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02 Aug 02 - 03:51 AM (#758568) Subject: RE: County Characteristics From: IanC Tykes are dogs ... specifically Yorkshire Terriers. |
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02 Aug 02 - 07:30 AM (#758637) Subject: RE: County Characteristics From: fat B****rd As a young person in Cleethorpes (a Meggy) I was led to believe that "Yellowbellies" were strayed sheep that brushed against certain Yellow/Orange gorse or whatever. John Connolly would know. |
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02 Aug 02 - 07:38 PM (#759015) Subject: RE: County Characteristics From: GUEST,Malachy hey Fiolar. I'm from Dublin and know the expression 'Jackeens' well.But I have no idea why the name. If you do , I'd be interested to hear. I seem to remember my Ma calling anyone who wasn't from Dublin a 'culchie'. I might just have annoyed the rest of Eire........... |
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02 Aug 02 - 07:44 PM (#759017) Subject: RE: County Characteristics From: GUEST,Hille Dunno about the rest of Sussex, but here in Worthing we were known as 'Porkbolters' - now the title of the local eco-action alternative newsletter |
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03 Aug 02 - 07:14 AM (#759211) Subject: RE: County Characteristics From: Paddy Plastique Malachy, anyone not from Dublin: culchie, mullah, redneck, bogger... should've insulted enough of them there. 'Jackeen', I believe, derives from the word 'Union Jack' - with the Irish diminutive. It infers that we Dubs were little Britishers - for the most part true as The Pale had been the centre of English rule for 700 years Now, can anyone explain to me the term 'Mayo, God help us!' Why do Mayo people call out for divine intercession ? (I should know, as my Ma's from there) |
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03 Aug 02 - 12:01 PM (#759302) Subject: RE: County Characteristics From: GUEST,mooman currently down in South India Sorry Morticia and Gareth but, having lived in rural Surrey for quite some time and having none of the characteristics you list, I cannot agree at all... You're only about 90% accurate... mooman (keeping an eye on things for fairness sake from a distance!) |
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31 Aug 11 - 07:38 AM (#3215802) Subject: RE: County Characteristics From: Dave Hanson You can allus tell a Yorkshireman, but you can't tell him much. Passing through London once, with time to spare I called in for a pint at a nearby pub, a cockney geezer says to me ' you're not from round here are you ? ' I asked why, he said' ' you've taken your hand off your pint ' Dave H |
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31 Aug 11 - 12:07 PM (#3215955) Subject: RE: County Characteristics From: alex s waddya mean, "funny accent"? Northumberland: The only English county with its own instrument. And thank the lord it's too cold for softie southerners....with funny accents. |
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31 Aug 11 - 12:25 PM (#3215963) Subject: RE: County Characteristics From: Silas Well, Staffordshire has its famous Oatcakes, and, of course, all the best bits of Derbyshire are in Staffordshire. |
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31 Aug 11 - 02:08 PM (#3216027) Subject: RE: County Characteristics From: Santa Northumbria's instrument being the pipes, I presume? The claim does not stand up: somewhere I have (or had) a casette of tunes for the Lancashire pipes. From memory, they had to be played on other small pipes because no-one had any Lancashire pipes any more, but they did exist. And who knows, perhaps they do again by now, for it was a very old casette! |
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31 Aug 11 - 06:51 PM (#3216197) Subject: RE: County Characteristics From: alex s santa, I've lived in Lancs for years and there's no such animal |
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31 Aug 11 - 07:01 PM (#3216202) Subject: RE: County Characteristics From: Rozza What a wonderful county is Lincolnshire Where the pigs s**t soap and the cows s**t fire. |
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31 Aug 11 - 07:11 PM (#3216204) Subject: RE: County Characteristics From: GUEST,Ebor_Fiddler A Yorkshireman is a Scotchman with the generosity bashed out. |
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31 Aug 11 - 07:15 PM (#3216206) Subject: RE: County Characteristics From: Jack Campin http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lancashire_bagpipe I rather like their typo "Lacanshire bagpipe". I guess "Derridown" would be one of the tunes you played on it. Or right here: http://mudcat.org/thread.cfm?threadid=75728 |
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01 Sep 11 - 06:57 AM (#3216413) Subject: RE: County Characteristics From: alex s From an earlier thread: "The Northumbrian smallpipes are the only example which, especially in their modern development, are specific to a geographical area. Anahata" I rest my case. |
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01 Sep 11 - 11:07 AM (#3216514) Subject: RE: County Characteristics From: GUEST,AEOLA Just seen this thread!!! Hampshire .....---- Sandy Balls! |
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01 Sep 11 - 11:34 AM (#3216526) Subject: RE: County Characteristics From: jonm Aly Bain tells of the Shetlander who loved his wife so much he nearly told her... |