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11 Sep 02 - 02:08 PM (#781405) Subject: Patterson Jordan Dipper Flat Earth From: Watson I can't believe there has only been a passing mention of this superb CD in the forum. James Patterson, Ralph (some would say Ralphie) Jordan and have recorded a splendid collection of tracks - some traditional, but all in a traditional vein. It's difficult to single out a favourite, but The Captain's Apprentice is disturbing enough to appeal to me, Ewan McColl's The Father's Song has surely never been sung better and Flanders and Swann's Slow Train is a welcome inclusion. Flat Earth is from Wildgoose Records. Now, I only need to know - who is the bizarre looking man in the waistcoat on the back cover... |
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11 Sep 02 - 03:00 PM (#781439) Subject: RE: Patterson Jordan Dipper Flat Earth From: Herga Kitty Like, Ralphie? (if you mean the chap on the right) John Dipper seems to have got missed out in Watson's post. Nice CD though. (James has since found a very graphic 40 verse version of the Captain's Apprentice in a Roy Palmer anthology.) Kitty |
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12 Sep 02 - 05:01 AM (#781849) Subject: RE: Patterson Jordan Dipper Flat Earth From: Watson Quite right Kitty, I didn't intentionally miss John Dipper out - I knew I should have typed something after that"and". Memo to self - remember to read posting before clicking Submit Message! |
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27 Sep 02 - 10:49 AM (#792385) Subject: RE: Patterson Jordan Dipper Flat Earth From: Anglo Just to reiterate and warm up this thread. I just got a copy (they take a while to float across the pond) and can only echo Watson's sentiment above. This is a quite brilliant recording - a nice selection of songs, mostly trad which I like very much - really nice accompaniments, mostly guitar, fiddle, bouzouki, and concertina. It's hard to express in cold print what a breath of fresh air this is on what I see of the BritTrad scene. |
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27 Sep 02 - 01:22 PM (#792476) Subject: RE: Patterson Jordan Dipper Flat Earth From: katlaughing For those of us who may not have known about these guys, would you pelase tell us a bit more? Sounds really interesting. Any place that you know of where one could hear some clips? Thanks, kat |
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27 Sep 02 - 02:41 PM (#792546) Subject: RE: Patterson Jordan Dipper Flat Earth From: Herga Kitty The Jordan is Mudcat's Ralphie, multi-instrumentalist who performed with James Patterson and Mick Ryan in Crows (and who is also the third Fraser sister with Fi and Jo/Freya). Ralph came across John Dipper (a very talented young fiddle and concertina player, whose father Colin and uncle Drew were resident performers at Herga Folk Club many years ago)at Whitby Folk week a couple of years ago, and persuaded James that they should form a trio. They were booked at Sidmouth festival the next year. It's a very nice CD. I expect Ralphie will fill in the rest of the story and provide info on how to hear them (this is not the time for modesty, Ralphie....) Kitty |
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01 Oct 02 - 03:49 AM (#794655) Subject: RE: Patterson Jordan Dipper Flat Earth From: Ralphie Alright Kitty (said he crawling out from under his duvet!) All the above is factually correct, as far as it goes. To fill in the gaps. James and I met in the early seventies in London. He's got to be one of the finest singers that I've ever met.But due to having two beautiful daughters he went on "Gardening Leave" from the mid 80's until the late 90's. We stayed in touch though, and every year was going to be...THE YEAR !! Ha ! And then in 2000 I met John at Whitby...and that was that. (BTW, John's dad Colin, is one of the two finest Concertina makers in the world IMHO.) Not sure how to get multiple copies across the pond...ADA are distributing in the UK...or just contact Doug and Sue at Wildgoose..(Link further up the page) But, thanks for the comments everyone. It's not often I can play back my own stuff, but.....It's on the Hi Fi (again) even as I speak! See you all around on the New Improved Whiter than White Mudcat.. Cheers Ralphie. Now, how to I translate this into Mandarin??! |
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01 Oct 02 - 04:07 AM (#794661) Subject: RE: Patterson Jordan Dipper Flat Earth From: katlaughing Thanks, ya'll, esp. Ralphie, whose kindly PM I've not answered, yet. Sorry about that! I will do some checking at wild goose. I've a soft spot for anyone who shares a name with my son, Colin, so...that and the high recommends makes me eager to hear this cd! Thanks, again, kat |
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01 Oct 02 - 11:03 AM (#794790) Subject: RE: Patterson Jordan Dipper Flat Earth From: Watson Well done Ralphie, I was beginning to be upset that you hadn't made an appearance here. This continues to be one of my favourite CDs of this year - I'd recommend it to anyone. |
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01 Oct 02 - 01:56 PM (#794904) Subject: RE: Patterson Jordan Dipper Flat Earth From: Anglo I was lucky enough to have seen Silas (Ralph & James) perform on one of my infrequent trips back to the homeland. Way back in the 70s - I was visiting Steve Dickinson (the "other" concertina man) and he said: Hey, let's go to a folk club. They were really good back then. The fiddle adds a glue to that sound that really solidifies it and fills it out nicely. In the US the CD is carried by Andy's Front Hall, 518-765-4193 (http://www.andysfronthall.com/) . I'm sure Dick at Camsco would be delighted to sell you a copy also. Sorry I can't help with sound samples - the record company's website (Wild Goose) doesn't provide any. |
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01 Oct 02 - 02:47 PM (#794939) Subject: RE: Patterson Jordan Dipper Flat Earth From: Ralphie Thanks all... Well, if any of you on t'other side of the pond can access BBC Radio 3 (Don't even ask me how!) Fiona Talkington is playing a track on tomorrow nights Late Junction...(Don't Know which one...hope I'm in tune !) Broadcast times 2215 - 2400 UK Local time.. Anglo...."They were really good back then..." Nice One At our launch party a week ago, someone came up to me and said..."Almost worth getting out of bed for....!" Kat...PM me and we'll see what we can do.. Thanks all...off to Belgium now, back next week Regards Ralphie |
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01 Oct 02 - 04:04 PM (#794988) Subject: RE: Patterson Jordan Dipper Flat Earth From: Ron Olesko I'd like to add my endorsement. I've played the CD on my program TRADITIONS on WFDU. Wonderful arrangements and selections. I really enjoyed the CD! Ron Olesko WFDU-FM's TRADITIONS www.wfdu.fm |
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01 Oct 02 - 08:54 PM (#795159) Subject: RE: Patterson Jordan Dipper Flat Earth From: Herga Kitty Oops, it was very remiss of me not to mention how good a singer James is, how much we missed him when he wasn't around on the folk scene, and how good it is to have him back. |
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02 Oct 02 - 07:26 AM (#795377) Subject: RE: Patterson Jordan Dipper Flat Earth From: Noreen Looking forward to hearing that tonight, Ralphie dear; the CD is on my wish list :0) |
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02 Oct 02 - 06:40 PM (#795838) Subject: RE: Patterson Jordan Dipper Flat Earth From: Noreen Two great tracks played on Late Junction so far, very impressive. Hoping for another one... Jayne and Amanda Threlfall on atm too as a bonus! |
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02 Oct 02 - 07:33 PM (#795879) Subject: RE: Patterson Jordan Dipper Flat Earth From: Herga Kitty The Captain's Apprentice, and Ewan McColl's Father's Song. (Which Fiona followed brilliantly with one of Kirsty's ) |
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03 Oct 02 - 06:33 AM (#796042) Subject: RE: Patterson Jordan Dipper Flat Earth From: GUEST,GUEST. Ralphie And the third one was Bedlam/Annas Brudvals.....No...I didn't pay her a penny! I might be wrong but I think the Audio is available on the Beeb website, for anyone who wants to hear it. Oh, and Mooman, if you're out there,The Frasers and I are on some Belgium Radio show at 2200 tonight...Channel 1?? I can't PM you as I'm on route so to speak. Maybe meet up over the weekend? See you all soon Cheers Ralphie |
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25 Oct 02 - 01:00 PM (#811184) Subject: RE: Patterson Jordan Dipper Flat Earth From: katlaughing Ralphie, just got my copy. THANKS!! Just listening, now, haven't got all the way through, but so far I love it!! Will post more when I've listened through a few times. Really first-rate and much appreciated. kat |
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25 Oct 02 - 02:16 PM (#811244) Subject: RE: Patterson Jordan Dipper Flat Earth From: mooman Love to meet you over the weekend Ralphie (if you read this)! I think you have my details. I'll switch on the wireless and scan at 22:00... Best, mooman |
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30 Oct 02 - 01:52 PM (#814572) Subject: RE: Patterson Jordan Dipper Flat Earth From: katlaughing I've had more time to listen to this and get to recognise some of the songs and I have to say I LOVE The Father's Song, even though it is so bittersweet. It is just beautiful. Likewise, one of my favs is Manchester Rambler, BUT I really enjoy all of them very much. Maybe Nothing Spoken is incredibly evocative. One of the things I really appreciate is the arrangements. Raised, as I was, with classical music to folk, with my brother the classical composer teaching me to hear each part and really listen to the way music is put together, I really am impressed with how lyrical the arrangements are. I can *hear* the Slow Train, yet it is not some garish and blatant fiddle-saw like the old Orange Blossom Special; rather a subtle, soft impression which brings a wisp of a smile to my lips, remembering all of the trains I've been on and how much I loved them, slow and faster. The M1 Waltz, I can hear the traffic, feel the curves of the road. Likewise with the other songs. The singing is first-rate and the lyrics help, of course, but it is also the very skillful playing, etc. which really makes this a superb collection. Thanks, again! This one's going to played again, and again, and again, and... kat |
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30 Oct 02 - 03:56 PM (#814687) Subject: RE: Patterson Jordan Dipper Flat Earth From: Herga Kitty On Mike Harding's show - now! |
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31 Oct 02 - 02:33 AM (#814984) Subject: RE: Patterson Jordan Dipper - Flat Earth From: GUEST,pavane I heard it - sounds good. And I also liked Everything Glows! One of Les Barker's best songs, I think. |
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01 Nov 02 - 10:57 AM (#816077) Subject: RE: Patterson Jordan Dipper - Flat Earth From: GUEST,james patterson well well....just come across this thread while checking something else. Am touched and moved by your kind thoughts and comments about our little work. It's very nice to be back and singing again and I hope to see or speak to you all before too long. |
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22 Aug 07 - 01:17 PM (#2131229) Subject: RE: Patterson Jordan Dipper - Flat Earth CD From: RTim Just wanted to resuscitate this thread as this Wonderful CD has been mentioned briefly on another thread - and to thank Mudcatter "Ralphie", if he is lurking, and his colleagues, for such a great job. I managed to buy a copy in Oxford last year and listen to it frequently AND it is on my I-Pod! Tim Radford www.timradford.com |
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23 Aug 07 - 02:50 AM (#2131734) Subject: RE: Patterson Jordan Dipper - Flat Earth CD From: GUEST,Ralphie Thanks Tim. I think you must have got the last copy!! It's a bit quiet on the PJD front at the moment. James P is very busy with his job as an archivist in the Midlands. John D is all over the place with various musical outfits (English Acoustic Collective, etc) And I've been concentrating on the new "Old Fogies" dance band Housewives' Choice... But, hopefully something might get moving in the autumn. we've got half a dozen or so ideas in the pipeline, so, you never know! Thanks for remembering us Ralph J |
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23 Aug 07 - 03:21 AM (#2131739) Subject: RE: Patterson Jordan Dipper - Flat Earth CD From: Giant Folk Eyeball (inactive) I've been trying to get hold of this CD recently, but it doesn't seem to be havable for love nor money! Even Wild Goose themelves are no longer selling it... does anyone know of any retailers who might still have a few copies stashed away? Cheers Nigel |
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23 Aug 07 - 03:45 AM (#2131745) Subject: RE: Patterson Jordan Dipper - Flat Earth CD From: GUEST,Ralphie Hi Nigel. Sadly there are no plans to Re-issue Flat Earth at the moment. It just costs too much, and we don't want to left with boxes of the buggers all over the place!!! I'm happy (if you can find someone with it) for you to do a bootleg, and maybe give a donation to some charity or other. Good Luck with your quest (I haven't even got a copy myself!!) Ralph J |
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23 Aug 07 - 05:31 AM (#2131792) Subject: RE: Patterson Jordan Dipper - Flat Earth CD From: GUEST,redmax My CD is in the attic (the music's on the ipod) but I could retrieve it and burn a copy if you have no luck elsewhere |
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23 Aug 07 - 05:51 AM (#2131807) Subject: RE: Patterson Jordan Dipper - Flat Earth CD From: GUEST,Ralphie Nigel. Have just found my pre release copy of Flat Earth. Get in touch, and I'll do you a copy! Best way is through the Patterson,Jordan,Dipper website...(Yes, there is one!!!, hopelessly out of date I'm afraid!) But, has an E Mail address. Alternatively, If you are planning to go to Towersey this weekend, come and find Housewives Choice!! Regards Ralphie |
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23 Aug 07 - 03:00 PM (#2132167) Subject: RE: Patterson Jordan Dipper - Flat Earth CD From: GUEST Thank you both - you're gents. Ralphie, I'll contact you via your website. I suppose this means you get to choose the charity... Cheers, Nigel |
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23 Aug 07 - 06:22 PM (#2132292) Subject: RE: Patterson Jordan Dipper - Flat Earth CD From: Giant Folk Eyeball (inactive) Sorry. I was the nameless guest above. Must have tossed my cookies. Nigel |
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13 Sep 07 - 08:04 AM (#2148183) Subject: RE: Patterson Jordan Dipper - Flat Earth CD From: Giant Folk Eyeball (inactive) Hi Ralph, did you ever get my email re the above via the PJD website? Cheers Nigel |
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13 Sep 07 - 08:16 AM (#2148195) Subject: RE: Patterson Jordan Dipper - Flat Earth CD From: GUEST,Ralphie Hi Nigel. No. sorry, didn't get a message from you. Am in the middle of moving at the moment, so, my copy is at the bottom of a box somewhere in Kent! E me at Ralph.Jordan@ntlworld.com and I'll see what I can do...(Might be a while) Amnesty International would seem like a good place to make a donation if you wish. Regards Ralph |
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13 Sep 07 - 05:29 PM (#2148506) Subject: RE: Patterson Jordan Dipper - Flat Earth CD From: BB You could always donate it to EFDSS, Nigel. I wouldn't be a bit surprised if some of the songs on the CD didn't come directly or indirectly through the Library there! Good luck with the move, Ralphie! Barbara |
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13 Sep 07 - 06:19 PM (#2148551) Subject: RE: Patterson Jordan Dipper - Flat Earth CD From: Giant Folk Eyeball (inactive) Thanks Ralph, I've sent you an email. And Barbara, I might well be taking you up on your suggestion anyway at year end when I renew my subscription... Cheers Nigel |
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23 Jun 10 - 07:34 PM (#2933612) Subject: RE: Patterson Jordan Dipper - Flat Earth CD From: Surreysinger I never thought I would resurrect a three year dead thread, but since in the past few years several people have mentioned this CD, and expressed a wish to get hold of a copy, I thought it might be worth mentioning that it is now available as an MP3 download on both Amazon UK (at £6.99)and iTunes (at £7.99). If you haven't heard it it comes highly recommended ... reached number 9 in the Mike Harding charts at the time. I managed to buy what was probably the last physical copy out there available on the street about 18 months ago(the vendor didn't realise that it had been deleted from the Wildgoose Catalogue at the time, and was talking about re-ordering). Having played it many times, I can personally recommend it (and, I hasten to add, that is not influenced by any degree of bias. I went to see PJD perform when the CD was released and kicked myself every afterwards for not purchasing a copy of it at the time.) Public service announcement over!! :-) |
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29 Jun 10 - 10:04 AM (#2936623) Subject: RE: Patterson Jordan Dipper - Flat Earth CD From: Ralphie Hello all. Just to say that the Amazon download of Flat Earth was not at the request of the band, and I have asked for it to be removed. I regard it as theft. End. |
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29 Jun 10 - 10:13 AM (#2936629) Subject: RE: Patterson Jordan Dipper - Flat Earth CD From: Ralphie Shameless promotion. This well retired bloke is just about to release a solo CD called "ELOISE" Basically me, playing with myself. (!) The E Mail address above, from all those years ago, is still viable. So, If you Love Duet Concertinas, this is for you... If you don't.....I think Mariah Carey has got a new album coming out soon! |
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29 Jun 10 - 10:20 AM (#2936633) Subject: RE: Patterson Jordan Dipper - Flat Earth CD From: Crow Sister (off with the fairies) Ralphie can't you get some cash off iTunes? It's such a good album! |
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29 Jun 10 - 03:55 PM (#2936803) Subject: RE: Patterson Jordan Dipper - Flat Earth CD From: Surreysinger Whoops - sorry Ralphie. I hadn't realised that this wasn't officially sanctioned since it was coming through what I assumed was a reputable source. I was assuming that it would have been put up by Wildgoose with agreement from yourselves , and that you would be getting some income from any sales. Had I known that wasn't the case, I wouldn't have splurged it all over the airwaves (so to speak).My apologies :-( |
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30 Jun 10 - 12:30 AM (#2937022) Subject: RE: Patterson Jordan Dipper - Flat Earth CD From: Ralphie Hi CS....Cash? whats that? Haven't seen a penny from the original release, let alone ITunes!!! That's why I'm doing ELOISE from the back of my car (so to speak!) |
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30 Jun 10 - 01:19 AM (#2937024) Subject: RE: Patterson Jordan Dipper - Flat Earth CD From: Anglo Cash is one of those funny things, especially with record companies. Since no-one wanted to put our CD out some 18 years ago, after the agreed on outfit decided to drop out of the market, we (legally, I) launched our own label. Now I owe royalties to my partner, myself, a couple of other people, and have to work out how I can keep track of download sales to work out what is due. But of course - we doing basically trad Brit music in the US - there's not that much money coming in, and not much in the yellow envelope that substitutes for my accounting system. Ralphie, I hope you have a more efficient company. |
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30 Jun 10 - 02:06 AM (#2937037) Subject: RE: Patterson Jordan Dipper - Flat Earth CD From: Ralphie Hi Anglo. Yes, It's a bit of a bummer! I sometimes think, why do we bother to record anything at all? Maybe I should just sit in my back yard and play for myself.....discuss! |
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30 Jun 10 - 03:19 AM (#2937070) Subject: RE: Patterson Jordan Dipper - Flat Earth CD From: pavane Ralphie, did I hear Wogan give you a name check at the weekend? Or was it someone else? |
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30 Jun 10 - 05:21 AM (#2937113) Subject: RE: Patterson Jordan Dipper - Flat Earth CD From: Ralphie Well. I haven't seen Wogan since my last show 2 and a half years ago! So, I think it unlikely! I might do a listen again!!! (Mentioned in what context?) |
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30 Jun 10 - 06:31 AM (#2937136) Subject: RE: Patterson Jordan Dipper - Flat Earth CD From: GUEST,mattkeen Ralphie Is John Dipper playing with anyone at the moment? I haven't heard anything about him since the Methera album (lovely by the way) and English Acoustic Collective are very quiet recently |
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30 Jun 10 - 07:27 AM (#2937159) Subject: RE: Patterson Jordan Dipper - Flat Earth CD From: Ralphie Haven't heard from John for a year or so. Last I heard he was in Canada! |
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30 Jun 10 - 07:52 AM (#2937176) Subject: RE: Patterson Jordan Dipper - Flat Earth CD From: The Borchester Echo EAC + associated offshoots) are doing quite a lot: http://www.englishacousticcollective.org.uk/live/index.html John Dipper said on a visit back from Canada a few months ago for a concert with Methera and KerrFaganHarbron that a new Methera recording was in preparation. |
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30 Jun 10 - 11:05 AM (#2937299) Subject: RE: Patterson Jordan Dipper - Flat Earth CD From: GUEST,guest mattkeen Associated offshoots are doing doing a lot but EAC have one future gig Anyway I'm off to buy Flat Earth from itunes Good luck with the new one Ralphie Will that one be available by post? |
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01 Jul 10 - 01:33 AM (#2937692) Subject: RE: Patterson Jordan Dipper - Flat Earth CD From: Ralphie Hi matt...Of course! And It will be available in a downloadable stylee too, hopefully. Call me Old Fashioned, but I prefer to own a physical CD but why miss out on any sale! Will start a shameless plugging thread when it's done...I need to make money on this one! |
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01 Jul 10 - 08:24 AM (#2937834) Subject: RE: Patterson Jordan Dipper - Flat Earth CD From: GUEST Me too Ralph Just got the new Andy Cutting CD through the post - felt like Christmas! Tend to buy CD's and more or less straight away stick em on the Mac - ipod permanently on shuffle in the living room - like having your radio station! Looking forward to meeting ELOISE |
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01 Jul 10 - 08:24 AM (#2937835) Subject: RE: Patterson Jordan Dipper - Flat Earth CD From: GUEST,mattkeen Oh last one was me |
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01 Jul 10 - 08:40 AM (#2937846) Subject: RE: Patterson Jordan Dipper - Flat Earth CD From: pavane Ralphie, re Wogan, I don't remember, it just sort of flashed past, I wasn't paying atention to the program. I am sure he mentioned a Ralphie, but could have been anyone. Must have been near the end of the show. |
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01 Jul 10 - 01:04 PM (#2937987) Subject: RE: Patterson Jordan Dipper - Flat Earth CD From: Surreysinger Being intrigued, I had a listen ... 1 hour 52 minutes in to be specific Pavane, and it definitely was a Ralphie that was mentioned. |
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18 Sep 11 - 12:09 PM (#3225158) Subject: RE: Patterson Jordan Dipper - Flat Earth CD From: GUEST,james patterson Thread resurrection again...John Dipper and I are still working on things when we can and have a couple of projects simmering on the back burner. Ralph is right that John spends much of his time in Canada and my work commitments keep me pinned down much of the time...but look out for us...we are still trying to get things together and may yet emerge. Look out for John's show with Luke Daniels this autumn (2011) it's called Sun Stations. best wishes to you all James |