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11 Nov 02 - 01:31 PM (#823481) Subject: BS: What has the US ever done for us? From: GUEST,Soma Search for "done for us" threads |
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11 Nov 02 - 01:36 PM (#823483) Subject: RE: BS: What has the US ever done for us? From: RolyH MacDonalds? |
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11 Nov 02 - 01:46 PM (#823490) Subject: RE: BS: What has the US ever done for us? From: KJ Bugger all!!! |
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11 Nov 02 - 01:58 PM (#823496) Subject: RE: BS: What has the US ever done for us? From: Ron Olesko Us who??? The US has done a lot for me, but then again I live here. |
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11 Nov 02 - 02:51 PM (#823522) Subject: RE: BS: What has the US ever done for us? From: alanabit Saved our hides in two world wars. Polluted us with MacDonalds, Coca Cola and chewing gum. Given us jazz, blues, bluegrass and rock and roll. Sent over appalling dross on television. Provided expertise and capital to develop large parts of our industry (for instance North Sea Oil). Taken away a lot of our best scientific brains by the simple expedient of paying them fairly. Given us Mudcat and thousands of friends. Mixed feelings really - but the same goes for my own family. |
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11 Nov 02 - 03:08 PM (#823524) Subject: RE: BS: What has the US ever done for us? From: Ron Olesko "Sent over appalling dross on television"???? It's not exactly like we gave it to you! You bought the crap! Someone at the BBC or LWT paid good money to buy those shows. Let the buyer beware!!!! :) Ron |
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11 Nov 02 - 03:42 PM (#823546) Subject: RE: BS: What has the US ever done for us? From: Kim C Bob Dylan. Elvis Presley. Sweet tea. Grits. Cadillacs. Teddy bears. Stetson hats. The Grand Ole Opry. Macintosh computers. Good ol' Southern barbecue. William Faulkner. Henry Ford. FDR. Harry Truman. General MacArthur. the 101st Airborne. Broadway musicals. Josephine Baker. Stephen Foster. |
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11 Nov 02 - 03:43 PM (#823547) Subject: RE: BS: What has the US ever done for us? From: McGrath of Harlow It would be horribly crowded back here... |
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11 Nov 02 - 03:51 PM (#823556) Subject: RE: BS: What has the US ever done for us? From: DougR Arghhhhhhh! Kim you forgot chili, and maybe even cornbread (though I'm not sure about the latter). DougR |
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11 Nov 02 - 03:51 PM (#823559) Subject: RE: BS: What has the US ever done for us? From: Little Hawk Davy Crockett, Dan'l Boone, Robert E. Lee, hula hoops, constant fear of nuclear annihilation, Winona Ryder, Cher, the WWF, Buddy Holly, a flag that looks like a really wacky set of pajamas, money with secret Masonic symbols on it, bubble gum (I think...), Mark Twain, Walt Whitman, southern Baptists, Hollywood, Las Vegas, L.A., Jackson Browne, Warren Zevon, Al Capone, Lucy Luciano... The list goes on forever. It's like counting up the Angels in Heaven and the devils in Hell... - LH |
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11 Nov 02 - 03:52 PM (#823560) Subject: RE: BS: What has the US ever done for us? From: dick greenhaus Well, I guess we pointed out the folly of colonialism a couple of hundred years back. And we supplied the Mudcat... |
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11 Nov 02 - 03:58 PM (#823570) Subject: RE: BS: What has the US ever done for us? From: alanabit Ron - you are rubbing it in. It's bad enough to admit to taking your dross TV but for you to rub in the fact that we gave you MONEY for it is just too hard. It's not fair when folks have to go down to the level of telling the truth... It's a hard, hard world... |
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11 Nov 02 - 04:07 PM (#823579) Subject: RE: BS: What has the US ever done for us? From: Kim C Doug, I don't think we can lay claim to chili. I believe that came from south of the border. Cornbread, on the other hand........................ |
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11 Nov 02 - 04:09 PM (#823581) Subject: RE: BS: What has the US ever done for us? From: Dead Horse Loads of shanties + variations of same. Blackballers. Bloody fine schooners. But....... ..the buggers still owe us for the tea they dumped in Boston Harbour! |
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11 Nov 02 - 04:11 PM (#823585) Subject: RE: BS: What has the US ever done for us? From: Dead Horse Was going to add Cajun music, but we gave that to the U.S. by kicking the poor buggers out of Canada! |
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11 Nov 02 - 04:16 PM (#823590) Subject: RE: BS: What has the US ever done for us? From: McGrath of Harlow "I guess we pointed out the folly of colonialism a couple of hundred years back." And then proceeded to colonise an entire continent. I sometimes wonder how it would have worked out if the French had won against the British, and North America had developed as a Francophone continent instead - with the Eastern Colonies maybe as a sort of French Canada equivalent, within Les Etats Unis. I suppose the Mudcat would be in French, and my French would be a lot better than it is as a result. |
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11 Nov 02 - 04:16 PM (#823591) Subject: RE: BS: What has the US ever done for us? From: Rapparee Nah, the insurance paid for the tea that got dumped. Lloyds' picked up the tab. |
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11 Nov 02 - 04:31 PM (#823604) Subject: RE: BS: What has the US ever done for us? From: Ron Olesko Kim, Chili IS American. The only place you can find chili south of the border is in tourist traps. There are a number of histories that can show it originated in Texas from Spanish settlers. Ice cream cones, pizza, hamburgers, hot dogs - all American fare. Sure elements of each came from other countries, but we put it together. Ron |
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11 Nov 02 - 04:32 PM (#823606) Subject: RE: BS: What has the US ever done for us? From: Kim C Well, the British burned down the White House in the War of 1812, so I think we're even. |
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11 Nov 02 - 04:34 PM (#823609) Subject: RE: BS: What has the US ever done for us? From: Little Hawk If the French had won, North America would be a lot less well organized, a lot more romantic, and a lot less puritan. "Free Love" would not have had to wait until the 60's. There'd be more sidewalk cafes and more wine. Less beer. Politicians would be admired for having affairs instead of castigated for it. I think I like the French version. God knows, the Indians liked the French a lot better (with the one exception of the Iroquois Six Nations). The British were a very tight-assed lot of people, but they were well-organized. - LH |
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11 Nov 02 - 04:36 PM (#823614) Subject: RE: BS: What has the US ever done for us? From: Ron Olesko Little Hawk - more wine and less beer? You consider that a good thing?????? |
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11 Nov 02 - 04:39 PM (#823618) Subject: RE: BS: What has the US ever done for us? From: McGrath of Harlow They haven't castigated Clinton have they? Ouch. |
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11 Nov 02 - 04:40 PM (#823621) Subject: RE: BS: What has the US ever done for us? From: Ron Olesko They who? |
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11 Nov 02 - 04:42 PM (#823623) Subject: RE: BS: What has the US ever done for us? From: GUEST For me, the US, rid me of the tyranny of Maggie Thatcher. |
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11 Nov 02 - 05:10 PM (#823647) Subject: RE: BS: What has the US ever done for us? From: Steve Latimer They've given us just about all the music that I listen to. |
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11 Nov 02 - 06:20 PM (#823695) Subject: RE: BS: What has the US ever done for us? From: GUEST,Taliesn Allowing for the other usual things already mentioned; Just musically? The Les Paul electric guitar without which there would have been *no* Brtiish Pop invasion. ;-) Yeah, right, the Beatles and the Stones could've made it as accoustic acts ;-) For that matter I've often argued that Jimi Hendrix would *never* had made the sensastion he made had he not *first* gone to London , soaked up the culture of competitive guitar virtuosity of the time,and joined up with 2 equally talented Brit craftsman of drum and bass. And the British virtuoso I always refer to as the Hendrix of the Keyboard, Keith Emerson had gone as far as he could've gone with the Hammond Bs organ until the american Robert Moog made the synthesizer. And where would any of them be without Edison's phonograph? And whilst waxing gadgety ,although I love the unique quality of the better Brit cinema ( "Man for All Seasons' one of my Top 5 all time favorites ) if there is nothing else uniquely American it's "da Movies" (also thanks to Thomas Edison's motion picture camera ) and their various master craftsman directors/filmmakers. ( Orson Wells/John Huston , Disney, the makers of the "Wizard of Oz" etc, etc. ) One forgets that Jazz also means Gerschwin and Copeland. Yeah ,our market is precisely "what we've ever done" for you by way of your economy. We've given plenty of other countries a lot of their GNP by them selling into our Amercian consumer culture ; good , bad and evrytthing in-between. Ever wonder why the Beatles were knighted? Had something to do with that old joke about what the letters of the old British airlines B.O.A.C. stood for ( Bring Over Amercian Cash ) So what you Brits lost in tea you have more than made up for breaking into our markets with just da Beatles and da Stones. So , you're all welcome ;-) |
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11 Nov 02 - 06:52 PM (#823715) Subject: RE: BS: What has the US ever done for us? From: greg stephens Things I like: 90% of the music I love Marx bothers james stewart westerns steinbeck moby dick thoreau frankfurters(i've heard they dont come from frankfurt) chuck yeager some good friends louisiana bobert's house helping us out in our big troubles things I dont like macdonalds people telling me how religious they are people who tell me about their feelings people who lecture me about irish politics computers g bush people who lecture me about scottish history peter paul and mary's harmonies root beer that strange white gravy with bits in(not sure about this, I'm ambivalent) films with tom cruse or nicole kidman putting the accent on the first syllable of "REsearch" putting everything round the edges of towns instead of in the middle |
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11 Nov 02 - 07:21 PM (#823740) Subject: RE: BS: What has the US ever done for us? From: kendall You gave us Twiggy; we gave you the TORREY CANYON. |
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11 Nov 02 - 07:25 PM (#823745) Subject: RE: BS: What has the US ever done for us? From: Bert Gawd Kendall, someone else old enough to remember the Torrey Canyon. You'll be reminding us of The Private Enterprise next. Steve, they borrowed most of that music from the British Isles, and improved on it. |
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11 Nov 02 - 07:38 PM (#823758) Subject: RE: BS: What has the US ever done for us? From: nager Perhaps given us the world's worst accent? Fair dinkum fellas, it's bloody awful... |
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11 Nov 02 - 07:47 PM (#823766) Subject: RE: BS: What has the US ever done for us? From: Gareth Upside - 50 old dstroyers, and lend lease, the mighty 8th USAAF, the Sherman Tank, Dwight D Eisenhower, Bradley and Patton - The Packard Merlin, - and the sacrifice and blood of an awful lot of your people to buy our freedom (Posted 11/11/02) Downside - Your culture, even if we bought it. Gareth |
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11 Nov 02 - 07:52 PM (#823770) Subject: RE: BS: What has the US ever done for us? From: RangerSteve I once heard of a guy named Thomas Edison. I think he invented (or in some cases perfected) a few things that some people still use. |
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11 Nov 02 - 08:02 PM (#823782) Subject: RE: BS: What has the US ever done for us? From: Alice |
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11 Nov 02 - 08:22 PM (#823796) Subject: RE: BS: What has the US ever done for us? From: McGrath of Harlow Oh yes - Michael Moore, Garrison Keillor, Noam Chomsky and Hunter Thompson. And a good few others (Woody Guthrie, Pete Seeger, Bob Dylan, Nanci Griffiths...) But I still think a French USA would probably have been a more civilising infuence in the world, and just as good for the music, if maybe a bit different. |
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11 Nov 02 - 10:05 PM (#823885) Subject: RE: BS: What has the US ever done for us? From: Bill D greg stephens---REsearch is a noun, reSEARCH is a verb...very useful! The former is what you get after you do the latter. |
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11 Nov 02 - 10:24 PM (#823892) Subject: RE: BS: What has the US ever done for us? From: Midchuck things I dont like macdonalds people telling me how religious they are people who tell me about their feelings ......... peter paul and mary's harmonies ............... films with tom cruse or nicole kidman putting the accent on the first syllable of "REsearch" putting everything round the edges of towns instead of in the middle I'm over here and I don't like them thangs neither.... P. |
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12 Nov 02 - 12:50 AM (#823952) Subject: RE: BS: What has the US ever done for us? From: DonMeixner Beyond lending most of Europe the money to defend themselves during two world wars. Money that most of Europe hasn't seen fit to repay I can't think of a thing the US has done or should have felt obligated to. We didn't give anyone fast food or bad movies or hot cars or great and not so great music. That was all bought from the market place by willing consumers who never heard of or understood the meaning of "caveat emptor". What has Europe given me, nothing, all that I have thats European I paid for. Beyond the language, some truly great music and art, and maybe Dr. Who, everything else I need exists in abundance right here in central New York What has the US given me? Nothing but the opertunity to succeed or fail. Everything else I have worked for and earned. Don |
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12 Nov 02 - 01:17 AM (#823958) Subject: RE: BS: What has the US ever done for us? From: GUEST,Boab I'm daring to hope for you all! Seinfeld never got a mention!! |
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12 Nov 02 - 02:31 AM (#823973) Subject: RE: BS: What has the US ever done for us? From: The Shambles Saved our hides in two world wars Beyond lending most of Europe the money to defend themselves during two world wars. Money that most of Europe hasn't seen fit to repay I can't think of a thing the US has done or should have felt obligated to. Nuff said. This thread has managed to treat the subject (this time and so far) with humour, but why oh why do we still fall for this? |
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12 Nov 02 - 03:33 AM (#823984) Subject: RE: BS: What has the US ever done for us? From: Hrothgar Who says the French are civilised? Those wonderful people who gave us the Napoleonic Wars.... ... and sank the Rainbow Warrior in their modern attempt to prove that they are militarily great. And I left a space in the middle, you'll notice, for things I might think of later, like trying to take over Mexico, etc., etc. |
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12 Nov 02 - 04:45 AM (#824010) Subject: RE: BS: What has the US ever done for us? From: Troll Hrothgar, you beat me to it. I will however mention the French Revolution and the Terror. Algeria might have a thing or two to say about the civilization of the French along with the rest of the French African colonial empire. troll |
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12 Nov 02 - 05:08 AM (#824013) Subject: RE: BS: What has the US ever done for us? From: Mr Furrow Looking at the responses, they all seem to be things the US "SOLD" rather than "gave". Hmmmmmm who was said "the business of America is business"? :o) |
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12 Nov 02 - 06:04 AM (#824024) Subject: RE: BS: What has the US ever done for us? From: Catarina The US, as most american countries did, gave space and hope to thousands of europeans. That was one good thing. They were probably the first country to try and practice modern age democracy. That's another good thing. They do tend to put their foot in their mouth, but there's always someone who acknowleges the fact and apologises for it. They actually helped us during both World Wars and they even fed us after WWII. They have wonderful writers, great poets, wonderful musicians. They sometimes seem strange to european eyes, but that's what usualy happens when children grow - the parents find them strange, but still love them. (Sorry if my english looks strange...) |
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12 Nov 02 - 06:48 AM (#824038) Subject: RE: BS: What has the US ever done for us? From: RangerSteve I once saw a French recipe for "Mice in Cream". Really. Add this to snails and frogs and those little bite-size birds, and tell me about French civilization. I'll take Mcdonalds over that stuff any day. |
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12 Nov 02 - 07:48 AM (#824062) Subject: RE: BS: What has the US ever done for us? From: DonMeixner Little Hawk, Don't go picking on our money, we aren't the ones who put oil refineries on our bills. We don't have currency called Loonies. The Iroguois Confederacy had a Jesuit Mission built right in the middle of the nation. When invite to a dinner the French castigated the Indians ( they call themselves that, so shall I) using the wrong fork with the fooey grass. BUt when Hiawatha drank the Merlot while eating the carp the French bid them leave. The confederacy being a Matriarchal society took this insult to there manners very seriously. Futhermore, they recognized immediately what was wrong with a government run by a religion and had nothing to do with the French there after. William Johnson came along many years later and did something no Europeans, and quite afew colonists had failed to do. Treat them fairly. Don |
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12 Nov 02 - 07:53 AM (#824065) Subject: RE: BS: What has the US ever done for us? From: Dave Bryant The best thing was declaring independenc. |
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12 Nov 02 - 07:55 AM (#824067) Subject: RE: BS: What has the US ever done for us? From: Teribus Left to the French "Les Etats Unis" would never have come into being - they just were not interested in the place and had neither intent nor ambition to develope it (hence their willingness to negotiate their Canadian provinces away, Louisianna purchase, etc)). The Spanish were a great deal keener. Politically North and South America would be very much alike, i.e. composed of a number of independent countries - not one nation. |
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12 Nov 02 - 10:36 AM (#824173) Subject: RE: BS: What has the US ever done for us? From: McGrath of Harlow The French in France were about as interested in North America as the English in England. Which is to say, not all that interested. The French in North America seem to have been quite interested in getting around the place and settling in. But in a rather different way, which might have been a bit more satisfactory for the people who were there first. I sometimes speculate how thing might have worked out if the sentries had spotted General Wolfe's troops climbing the Heights of Abraham. An alternative history, with the French Revolution taking place in America, and a French/Meti Republic spreading west, and the mass immigration from Europe going in via the Saint Lawrence and New Orleans. Meanwhile the English Colonies, cut off from the interior, retain their British link, Canadian style, and develop as southerly Maritime Provinces... |
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12 Nov 02 - 11:43 AM (#824228) Subject: RE: BS: What has the US ever done for us? From: Kim C Okay Ron. :-) I was under the impression that chile con carne, just meat with ground-up chili peppers in it, was particularly Mexican. Wouldn't be the first time I was wrong! Anyway.... I prefer chili without beans, thank you very much. Haha! Thomas Edison! That was a good one. :-) |
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12 Nov 02 - 12:10 PM (#824246) Subject: RE: BS: What has the US ever done for us? From: Naemanson I'm surprised none of you have come up with what the USA has really given the world, namely a place on which the rest of the world can focus frustrated anger at arrogance and greed. |
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12 Nov 02 - 01:32 PM (#824336) Subject: RE: BS: What has the US ever done for us? From: GUEST,colwyn dane Put a Yank spanner in the works and prevented normal service being resumed in the 2000 year old Euro-game of mutual reciprocal destruction. Given aid to the 'Rest of the World' that exceeds what the 'Rest of the World' has given to the 'Rest of the World' - know what I mean? Charlie Chaplin, Stan Laurel,Alfred Hitchcock,Cary Grant and etc; CD. |
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12 Nov 02 - 01:49 PM (#824365) Subject: RE: BS: What has the US ever done for us? From: Little Hawk Don - Ha! Ha! Now what makes you think I WAS criticizing your money? I was just describing it, that's all. We also have toonies now in Canada! It was your flag I was criticizing... :-) Ron - If all the beer in the world disappeared forever, I wouldn't even blink. As for the French...well, they're like any other nation. They've got their good points and their bad points. Maybe we should start another thread called "What have the French ever done for us?" - LH |
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12 Nov 02 - 01:51 PM (#824367) Subject: RE: BS: What has the US ever done for us? From: PeteBoom Ummm - actually - Charlie Chaplin made movies in the US, but was born in Britain. |
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12 Nov 02 - 01:59 PM (#824374) Subject: RE: BS: What has the US ever done for us? From: Ron Olesko Little Hawk - A world without beer... shudder. Might as well turn off the sun while you are at it!! You are probably trying the wrong beers to have such an opinion!! :) Ron |
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12 Nov 02 - 02:05 PM (#824376) Subject: RE: BS: What has the US ever done for us? From: Gareth Charlie Chaplin, Stan Laurel,Alfred Hitchcock,Cary Grant and etc Eeeer Where were they born ???? Gareth |
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12 Nov 02 - 02:07 PM (#824378) Subject: RE: BS: What has the US ever done for us? From: The Shambles Wales????*Smiles* |
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12 Nov 02 - 02:15 PM (#824389) Subject: RE: BS: What has the US ever done for us? From: McGrath of Harlow Charlie Chaplin, Stan Laurel,Alfred Hitchcock,Cary Grant I took it that was the point. They had to go to America to do the business on screen. Are Americans really more thin-skinned than other people when it comes to any kind of joshing? Or is it just that they maybe come in for more than most other places? And there's more of them around, so the the occasional one who reacts all thin-skinned is more likely to come forth and be recognised. |
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12 Nov 02 - 03:15 PM (#824441) Subject: RE: BS: What has the US ever done for us? From: Ron Olesko What the hell do you mean we are thin skinned??????? My skin is just as thick as yours buddy!!!! :) Ron |
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12 Nov 02 - 03:47 PM (#824471) Subject: RE: BS: What has the US ever done for us? From: Kim C Did anyone mention Jimi Hendrix? The irony being, he had to go to England to get famous......... Anyway.... we all borrow from each other, and that's what makes this a great big beautiful world. I sure do like it here. :-) |
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12 Nov 02 - 04:03 PM (#824491) Subject: RE: BS: What has the US ever done for us? From: GUEST,boab d theres many things that you could say but even though i m scotish i feel the need to mention BIG BUDS after a few of them the world is great and its a taste to die for cheers to the yanks for that oh and for the dan reid network with the song stronger than steel the best ballad ever written if you havent heard it i suggest that you try it out. |
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12 Nov 02 - 04:08 PM (#824493) Subject: RE: BS: What has the US ever done for us? From: kendall Bert, I believe that ship was the FLYING Enterprise. Captained by Kurt Carlson I'd like to see a little more humor in this thread. Too much sarcasm for me. Most of us are descended from the Brits and Celts, so, it's like fighting with relatives! Yes, I'm expecting grief from some Turkish/Greek/Somalian. |
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12 Nov 02 - 04:32 PM (#824512) Subject: RE: BS: What has the US ever done for us? From: DougR Kim: Chili WITH beans, is NOT chili. Accounts I have read do credit cowboy cooks on trail drives in Texas with inventing chili as we know it. They used the tougher cuts of beef and cooked the hell out of it with chilis, creating the delecible dish we know today. DougR |
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12 Nov 02 - 04:55 PM (#824539) Subject: RE: BS: What has the US ever done for us? From: McGrath of Harlow Ah, but are you sure those cowboy cooks weren't Mexican anyway? (Or maybe Chinese - that sounds a lot like Chinese cooking to me.) Try Czech Budweiser, boab. (It costs the same in the supermarket too, or less often enough.) Noone's mentioned Leadbelly,so I will. |
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12 Nov 02 - 05:09 PM (#824557) Subject: RE: BS: What has the US ever done for us? From: Ron Olesko DougR - Chili with beans is indeed chili, it is just not ORIGINAL chili. Beans were added by boarding house cooks in the late 1800's as a way of stretching the dish. Cowboy cooks on trail drives would not have had the time to boil beans for the dish hence it was created sans beans. Of course this fact sort of takes the ... wind .. out of Mel Brook's scene in Blazing Saddles. Chili has many regional variations. AUTHENTIC Texas chili would not use beans of course, but there are still hundreds of variations. It was a meal of convenience and sustenance. Now I am hungry. Ron |
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12 Nov 02 - 05:15 PM (#824563) Subject: RE: BS: What has the US ever done for us? From: Kim C Well, the original cowboys were the Mexican vaqueros. :-) Personally, I like Carroll Shelby's chili kit that you can buy at the grocery. Has all the spices in it & stuff. Makes some damn good chili. Last time I made chili, though, I made it from leftover Sloppy Joe stuff. That was pretty good too. I like my chili with Fritos. And oh yeah ---- I think the US gave the world the greatest snack food ever ----- the Potato Chip. And I think we gave the world Dick Clark, too, but I don't know if that's good or bad. Two more words for you: STAR TREK |
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12 Nov 02 - 05:26 PM (#824569) Subject: RE: BS: What has the US ever done for us? From: Ron Olesko Kim, if you mention Star Trek as a positive then you have to blame the U.S. for a negative - Trekkies!!! Sorry, I never "got it" when it comes to Star Trek. Cheap sets and silly stories in my opinion. Ron |
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12 Nov 02 - 05:29 PM (#824571) Subject: RE: BS: What has the US ever done for us? From: spidly I think the US potentially owes a greater debt to Europe - Displaying the grand failure of socialized medicine and how to privatize mail, rail, and social security. Maybe well see the folly and not go down the same road but then again Oregon just voted down a state run health care measure, and I'll bet Rep. Pelosi will start pushing Hillary Care II. |
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12 Nov 02 - 06:14 PM (#824599) Subject: RE: BS: What has the US ever done for us? From: McGrath of Harlow Thank God and Nye Bevan for the National Health Service, and damn the politicians who have done so much to run it down and stop it being as good as it could be, and as good as the other medical systems our neighbours in Europe have built up (largely over the Thatcher years which they were spared). In the same tone I could of course say thanks to the USA for making sure that even the most rightwing poilitcian in this country will swear blind that they will never ever give us a health systrem remotely like yours... But that's thread drift and grumpy stiff in a generally light-hearted and appreciative thread: Buster Keaton; Oliver Hardy (we've had Stan Laurel already); Mash; the Simpsons. |
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12 Nov 02 - 06:25 PM (#824609) Subject: RE: BS: What has the US ever done for us? From: harvey andrews Did I imagine reading it or did Britain finish paying for lend-lease under this present govt just a couple of years ago? |
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12 Nov 02 - 06:34 PM (#824618) Subject: RE: BS: What has the US ever done for us? From: Gareth No Harvey - You did not imagine it. And don't forget the unbounded generosity of the Marshall Aid scheme post war. Gareth |
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12 Nov 02 - 06:36 PM (#824619) Subject: RE: BS: What has the US ever done for us? From: harvey andrews So that's why we're poorer than many other of our neighbours. Paying back our allies! So what's the payback for lending our troops and planes this time around? |
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12 Nov 02 - 07:27 PM (#824667) Subject: RE: BS: What has the US ever done for us? From: McGrath of Harlow I don't know if "generosity" is really the term for an intelligent and farsighted policy such as the Marshall Plan which was an act of enlightened self interest every bit as much as an act of altruism. The tragedy is that, when the Soviet Empire fell apart, the people in power didn't have the same kind of imagination and ability to think longterm. |
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13 Nov 02 - 05:45 AM (#824991) Subject: RE: BS: What has the US ever done for us? From: Teribus Britain's "war debt" under the Lend-Lease scheme was paid off in full 30 - 32 years ago. Britain was not a recipient of aid under the Marshall Plan. |
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13 Nov 02 - 05:56 AM (#824995) Subject: RE: BS: What has the US ever done for us? From: greg stephens Now that we (UK) are at one with Nineveh and Tyre, thanks to the USA for reminding us that nothing lasts for ever. |
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13 Nov 02 - 08:20 AM (#825057) Subject: RE: BS: What has the US ever done for us? From: Teribus Like most above I think the list would be long, but most significantly I would select the following as being top of that list: 1. Stood by us in time of need, when freedom and the democractic system of government was in danger of being usurped. 2. Providing the best example in the world to date of how a multi-ethnic, multi-racial and multi-religious society can not only peacefully co-exist but prosper. I know it is not perfect, few things in life are, but in general they have got more things right than wrong. |
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13 Nov 02 - 09:15 AM (#825117) Subject: RE: BS: What has the US ever done for us? From: GUEST,colwyn dane Out of the 13 billion dollars of post-war economic aid received by Europe from the USA: UK got 3.1 billion dollars; France 2.7 billion; Italy 1.5 billion; West Germany just under 1.5 billion; Ireland received 46 million dollars. The aid had to be spent in the US. CD. |
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13 Nov 02 - 09:47 AM (#825150) Subject: RE: BS: What has the US ever done for us? From: Teribus Thanks Guest colwyn - I stand corrected. |
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13 Nov 02 - 10:10 AM (#825174) Subject: RE: BS: What has the US ever done for us? From: kendall The Marshall Plan was actually conceived by President Truman. Right, Doug? Yes, the money had to be spent in the USA, but, that's a big improvement over the infamous Smoot-Hawley tariff act of 1930. Some countries owed the US heaps of money, and these two republican senators hatched a scheme that those countries had to pay, NOW, and they could not do it by their exports into this country. Such goodwill they generated! |
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13 Nov 02 - 12:00 PM (#825304) Subject: RE: BS: What has the US ever done for us? From: Little Hawk The USA was kind enough to give me a draft card in the late 60's (when I lived in New York State). I eventually tore it up and flushed it down a toilet in Toronto, Canada. - LH |
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13 Nov 02 - 12:30 PM (#825330) Subject: RE: BS: What has the US ever done for us? From: Stephen L. Rich "What has the US ever done for us?" You'd be amazed at how many Americans are asking the same question. Stephen Lee |
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13 Nov 02 - 03:19 PM (#825459) Subject: RE: BS: What has the US ever done for us? From: The Shambles Noone's mentioned Leadbelly,so I will. He was a Welshman too. Must have been. 'In the mines, in the mines, where the sun never shines...' |
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13 Nov 02 - 03:34 PM (#825477) Subject: RE: BS: What has the US ever done for us? From: catspaw49 Geeziz Rog, that was really awful.......Been hangin' out with Art lately or what? Spaw |
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13 Nov 02 - 04:19 PM (#825523) Subject: RE: BS: What has the US ever done for us? From: Kim C Ask not what your country can do for you... |
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13 Nov 02 - 04:38 PM (#825538) Subject: RE: BS: What has the US ever done for us? From: jimmyt As an American, asking what America has ever done for us either, brings to mind what President Kennedy said, paraphrasing, "What have you done for America? (speaking to American Citizens.) I hardly expect a lot from my government other than the freedoms we all take for granted. There only seems to be 2 kinds of people, givers and takers. See where you fit in to the big picture. |
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13 Nov 02 - 04:40 PM (#825541) Subject: RE: BS: What has the US ever done for us? From: M.Ted Please spare us that"Real Chili" business-- |
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13 Nov 02 - 06:36 PM (#825598) Subject: RE: BS: What has the US ever done for us? From: McGrath of Harlow There only seems to be 2 kinds of people, givers and takers. And the takers end up with more than the givers. (If the givers earn good money it isn't so likely to stick with them through thick and thin.) |
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13 Nov 02 - 11:01 PM (#825660) Subject: RE: BS: What has the US ever done for us? From: Amos Jimmy -- There are three -- makers, takers, and fakers. Those who can, do. Those who can't, end up starting threads like this one! :>) A |
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14 Nov 02 - 06:05 AM (#825696) Subject: RE: BS: What has the US ever done for us? From: McGrath of Harlow Most of it's been good natured enough - people expressing appreciation of the good things, and a bit of joshing of the sort you get between friends; yes, and a few cases of the hard stuff. But it hasn't spiralled away into hatred the way these things sometimes do, even if it's teetered on the edge a couple of times. |
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14 Nov 02 - 09:48 AM (#825790) Subject: RE: BS: What has the US ever done for us? From: Kim C MTed, I don't like beans in my chili. Whether that makes it "real" or not, I don't know, that's just how I like it. I don't like spaghetti in it, either. Your mileage may vary. And if I came to your house and you served me chili with beans and/or spaghetti, I'd still eat it, and be grateful. I do, however, enjoy a nice bowl of beans and cheese with tortillas once in awhile. :-) |
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14 Nov 02 - 03:59 PM (#826179) Subject: RE: BS: What has the US ever done for us? From: M.Ted I think everyone should eat what they like, the way that they like it, without having someone else telling them what it or isn't "real"--If you came to my house and didn't like chili the way I fix it(which varies from one time to the next), I would fix something that you did like, and it would be "real" enough to fill you up--since you like beans, cheese, and tortillas, it'd probably be black bean tostadas-- |
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14 Nov 02 - 04:04 PM (#826187) Subject: RE: BS: What has the US ever done for us? From: Kim C I wholeheartedly agree, Ted, and I do like black bean tostadas! |
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14 Nov 02 - 07:07 PM (#826369) Subject: RE: BS: What has the US ever done for us? From: DougR Geeze, MTed, I didn't mean to offend anybody with my beans in chili is not real chili statement. I should have included a :>), I suppose, for those sensitive about the subject. KimC: Yes, I like the Carol Shelby mix too. Another excellent one is "Hogsbreath." DougR |